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The 1st ep was soooo good. The writer was able to introduce a very complex background story very well.

It does feature gay scenes, but the plot is about a gay guy trying to accept himself as gay after he tries to date a fujoshi. If you consider BL as romantic series revolving around mlm relationships, it's a no. But it's a great show about being gay in Japan.

In my country it isn't showing the upcoming episodes...
I fear they'll release it on Viki WW only a few weeks after

Yeah, they have their own forum. But western audience tend to be very biased through what was a hit here and other western platforms
There are k drama that were a huge WW, but flopped domestically and the same goes for BL, especially the Japanese ones cause the access is really hard and it’s not very common fansubs for J dramas, but commercially they were much more successful than thai BL (where if you’re not from GMM or another big group, you’ll easily find the director/author saying that they went broke after the series).

Some people are missunderstandig the parody the script does to BL plots with problematic or even shady towards the public LOL

History franchise strated really small too. And they're focusing on Taiwan + Japan, they're not aiming WW success. If it do well on these markets, for the company it will be considered a hit since it didn't cost a lot.

We tend to believe that a series who make success on western countries is more successful, but it's not always the case. Just see how the director of LBC ended the promotions of the series with a huge debt while series people here on MDL don't even talk about are a huge comercial success, such as Nadao's series, Ossan's Love, etc...

It's the first BL from rakuten and KKTV, maybe they want to take it slow since they don't know if it will be a hit.

Hopefully it will do well so we can have more and more taiwanese BLs since History/Choco is in a bad tides

I know a lot of people won't like the humor of this, but even thought I found it silly I laugh so hard with Zon and Saifah hahahaha

Wow O____O
People are really crossing the line latetly on BL fandons...

What is with that hashtag savealonew?

LOL
I can't believe you brought the classic false simmetry. Well, I've already explained plenty of times and you still want to deffend this kind of work. It's up to you now, but bare in mind that deffending and praising this kind of thing it's offensive and yes you will be criticized, maybe next time it may not be someone patient.

Should BL have free pass to offend LGBT people? LOL
Imagine if someone said that a racist work is ok in fiction cause is just fantasy, it is not LOL
Her work perpetuates a lot of fetichism and misbelieves about the community. There a lot of female writers who don't do what she does.
You can't understand cause you are a straight cis woman!
And yes she does adress toxic as gay, but only to feminine gays who aren't the main characthers. When it's the protagonist she we'll make a curve to convince the reader that "he is bad cause he's bad, not cause he's gay".

You can do fantasy people with flaws without being problematic as she do.

About BL being good nowadays:
It’s getting better a LOT and very fast, but they are still VERY behind straight series of their own countries. Maybe only Japan is more even on this.
I personally don’t think that any BL before 2018 was anything above average/bad. Since then we’ve had a lot of ok/good/innofensive BL. Even the great ones for the genre still have very, very amateur errors. Maybe in 2 years we may have a truly excelent BL series, we are getting closer each year.

I agree with this, but MAME’s work definitely isn’t the case. People can write the fantasy they want, but if they offend a whole group, they better listen to the criticism being made cause that group has this right.

I like most of the critics you wrote about MODC, this and Why R U. But when you use TT as a positive exemple of how this series should be done when they have a waaaaaaay higher production value even thought the script may be boring or huge plot holes, it becomes a “TT is the best, nothing will compare even thought people point out how bad it is” thing.

They way you write how flawless TT production aspect (directing, acting, pacing, cinematography) is makes your criticism to other series sound like favoritism and ends up bringing more hate to your beloved series.

There was no explicit rape on the series, but there is in the novel and they did record it, but cut it out due to 1st ep criticism. Involuntary masturbation is rape. And even if in this series Tar’s rape may have been depicted as bad, there are many MAME’s novels where rape is romanticized.

You can’t tell a gay guy what is a good gay representation. No, Type’s sexuality is never well developed. I agree with you that people with flaws are more interesting then aggressive seme passive uke steriotype, but that’s not the case of TT. They never address the many times Tharn haressed Type, they never ever address the domestic violence in this couple, it’s depicted as “cute” and “love”. There are plenty of great shows with gay people with flaws, but since they don’t have a yaoi “we are terrible to each other but that’s fine” flare people don’t care. And that’s cause they depict this flaws as bad and they have consequences.

Yes, History franchise is full of yaoi cliches, but who said they’re bad? There are great cliches that are very enjoyable. Slap and Kiss is not, not even in Thailand anymore since a lot of criticism to this has erupted lately on Thai social media.

When you say that WDYEY is full of yaoi cliches you clearly dont know anything about gay culture in Japan. It’s a seinen manga, not even close to yaoi. The feminine guy is the top, the control freak masculine guy is the bottom, they discuss true questions of a gay life, such as aging, not fitting in the scene, parents dilema. Plus, being a hairdresser in Japan is a profession read as a womanizer profession, it’s not a gay thing. So it goes by Shirou liking a female idol (a very straight thing for a Japanese guy), while he is sexually attracted to strong masculine figures (while he realizes that the soft Kenji is the perfect person for him). WDYEY is all about breaking stereotypes, not reinforcing them. It doesn’t have skinship cause it is bad viewed in asia old people to have skinship, specially on TV. On the doujinshi she writes every year they do make out.

The problem with TT stans is this: if people come with very reasonable arguments why the series is bad, they say you “didn’t” understand or watch it haha

Yes, I said UWMA is bad. Most BLs aren’t good at all and we tend to cling to few things we truly enjoyed.
The pace here is bad, the sound mixing terrible and the actors don’t have what to do with such empty plot, even though some of them are good actors. But that doesn’t mean this is way worse than TT. At least this plot isn’t offensive to gay people as TT is. At least this has an ok cinematography (if we exclude the bed scenes). And at least the fans of this show don’t go hunting down people who deslike it.


All of it is offensive, since the implication that homophobes are closeted people (and then continue to repeat that he isn’t gay, he’s just in love with a dude), the way that the abuse from a hot guy is acceptable, but from a feminine guy or a transgender person is wrong, the depiction of rape as a way to overcome the social taboo of gay sex that she included in ALL os her works, all the excessive bottom shaming the series has at the same time it romanticizes one being the female and the other the male on the relationship. There’s nothing on this that isn’t offensive actually. You may not find any of these offensive, but that’s because you’re not a gay person.

And yes, I CAN expect that straight women can write good gay plots. All History2 and Trapped were written by women, What Did You Eat Yesterday is being publish for more then 15 years and its live action was THE BEST representation of gay relationships we had last year. There’s no such thing as “it’s made for women, it’s acceptable”. There are always conflicts between gay people and fujoshis in Japan and Thailand.

Reducing straight women to “problematic writers” is as bad as saying that gay people can’t feel offended by how bad straight female writers fanticize about their sexuality.

The problem about you going on every page saying how the weak TT series is the best is just that you become anoying and all your valid criticism about UWMA, MODC and Why R U become a “my fav is the best this is garbage even thought it’s better produced and acted” Jealousy thing.

Yes, I said UWMA is bad. Most BLs aren’t good at all and we tend to cling to few things we truly enjoyed.
The pace here is bad, the sound mixing terrible and the actors don’t have what to do with such empty plot, even though some of them are good actors. But that doesn’t mean this is way worse than TT. At least this plot isn’t offensive to gay people as TT is. At least this has an ok cinematography (if we exclude the bed scenes). And at least the fans of this show don’t go hunting down people who deslike

No girl, the characters didn’t evolve at all. They’re we’re no consequence to their acts, the show humor is centered on treating one as the female of the relationship. TT is the cream of the crop of yaoi fetichism and fantasy. You can like all you want, but if a gay dude say it’s offensive and over the top, believe him.
Yes I watched it. It was like reading a worse version and less inspired Chai Jidan novel. And it tells you read yaoi since 2000 haha
Only people who like fanfictions and this kind of work think that TT is well written.

You may say you don’t treat TT as perfect, but you go to every single BL drama page here on MDL to complain how the series production is bad (even when it has better directing and cinematography than TT) and how their plot is unrealistic (when you stand that it’s perfectly normal a survivor of child abuse to “heal” by being abused again by his roommate and then enter in a abusive relationship where punching is something common and a demonstration of love) at the same time you use TT as a good exemple, you are saying that it is above all/better then all.

Liking slap and kiss and all this yaoi cliches is ok when you don’t go after people who don’t like them and prefer other kind of works. Just praise TT on their page. People who dislike that series don’t even dare to post anything there cause of the way you fans react.

I won’t change your mind on how TT is bad and it’s a terrible representation of BL and gays relationships and you won’t convince me that TT is anything more than a bad and terribly written series (BTW, all MAME’s work share this characteristics).