Posting three of the same comment is plain ridiculous. :)I agree, you can't rate the drama on one episode, so…
@HermanFassett Yeah posting the same comments 3 times is ridiculous, and is probably his/her way of trying to hide the more "negative" comments. Engaging in fruitful discussion would be better, but some seem to prefer one-sided fan chants.
It's also rather telling when everyone who complains that people are rating the drama too early, have rated the show themselves lol. Everyone rates, and ratings are subject to change as the show progresses, this show isn't an anomaly in that regard.
It's my understanding that Netflix historically has been very hands off in the creative process of things they've…
@All_In Thanks for clarifying, yeah that's been my understanding as well, and it makes sense — as engaging in the creative process would eat too much at their costs. I could however see scenarios where they might make demands (whether in casting, or plot themes) prior to the distribution deal, but these are just my insinuations of course. Don't mind the rabid fans here btw, it seems many cant help but bark at people who espouse a view different from their own.
Good to see some action again, but there's too many kids on the show.. Would be interesting to have a season with a different kind of variety (fewer models & surfers pls) and a more mature undertone (one where the entire cast is ~25/30 and up).
Just the kind of drama I needed! Especially after completing the dark & slightly depressing 'The Smile Has left your face'. .
'Clean With Passion For Now' is lighthearted, fun, and sometimes too overtop with the slapstick (though I find it charmingly effective in moderation). And while it stays within the bounds of tropes we're all too familiar with — the execution of them has IMO been super engaging so far.
What I like the most is that the show has heart. There's a coming of age story here (of both leads), thats being explored and communicated to viewers in a genuine way. It's easy to miss that with the histrionics and all, but its very appreciated, and a requisite for quality.
Well it's never been this hard for me to wrap my head around how I feel about a show (and in some sense I guess thats a good thing).
First of all, the first sequence (eps 1 to ~7/8) was simply breathtakingly beautiful. Some rare quality stuff you don't see often. But I feel the trajectory shifted too abruptly (although very subtly) once Kim Moo Young & Jin Kang's love arc started. It all fell into place too easily, and as a viewer I wanted more angst, more ambivalence — as I had previously been exposed too. Moo Young had always been a question mark, someone you could peel and peel, only to find more layers — but all of a sudden he morphed into a hopeless romantic.
I must admit though that this isn't a jab at the show as a whole. I think it maintained its quality all throughout (well at least in direction), and my reservations are more about my expectations not matching the shows outcome. I'm happy with the ending btw, even if it was a hard watch. Big creative integrity to do that, huge respect.
What a huge blunder this was. Terrible.. And I'm supposed to believe this is coming from the same PD who directed Stranger? (The most high quality show of 2017 by far). How? The first episode felt less like a drama, and more like a commercial gig for a gaming startup. Effectively no narrative, no world building, no creative interest in engaging viewers in a story that might shed some light on their own.
Rather, this feels like a product, where selling to as many viewers as possible is top priority. Let's add some flashy AR gimicks to capture viewers in the gaming market, and some idols who can't act (sorry not sorry) to grab another market, and buzz-worthy leads — because hey branding value, etc etc.. I have no issue with the main leads btw, I find them both charming and even great when they pick the right roles..
I wonder how big of an influence Netflix had in the decision making process of producing this show.. I think its great that they help with distribution, but beyond that I'm very skeptical.
It's less about low ratings, but more towards the fact that the drama has consistently been pulling in lower ratings…
Public broadcast and Cable Networks are fighting over the same viewers, so I can't think of a more accurate comparison? Cable Networks have been gaining popular appeal and viewership in recent years, with Public broadcast much the opposite, so its quite clear to me how they correlate.
I also assume the duration at which viewers tune in for an episode matters in terms of outcome in ratings. But alas, nitpicking over this is not worthwhile.
By all means feel free to discuss ratings, I was merely voicing my opinion in that I think the endeavour - beyond a certain point - is futile. You are of course free, and I wouldn't personally discourage you, to do otherwise. Also pardon me if the original post came off in a disconcerting manner, definitely not my intention.
It's less about low ratings, but more towards the fact that the drama has consistently been pulling in lower ratings…
Again, when you account for the "unusual" increase in viewer ratings for the SBS & MBC dramas occupying the same time-slot (they're pulling in 9-9.5% when the average is just under 5% or so) the drop isn't weird or unnatural. It means that viewers have found that there's more then 1 show worth watching (which is rare) and so ratings will naturally be more spread.
Yeah I agree, as a fan one will always hope for the best. But I think that all the talk and focus on ratings, after a certain point, gets tiring. Personally I'd rather have my fave actor star in a high quality work that gains modest success (in ratings), rather then a ratings winner with no real substance. Jung Kyung Ho from 'Life on Mars' comes to mind.
Can we stop fretting over ratings and just appreciate the dramas quality lol? Most dramas on cable networks face little to no competition from public broadcast anyway, as the latter has declined in ability to produce anything remotely interesting. And still the average for cable dramas are around 2.7-3.2%
'The Smile Has Left Your Eyes' has the rear task of dealing not with one, but two competitors (in 'Heart Surgeons' & 'My Secret Terius'), and yet still manages to average around 3%. I think this is a testament to how well audiences are responding to it (Netizens are also showering it with nothing but praise). Had SBS & MBC ran with its usual fare it would easily be in 6-7% range by now.
In any case, while I was intrigued by this show from the get-go — as of episode 8 its now in my top 10 list of all-time faves. Blown away by the reserved yet ambitious direction, insanely immersive acting, not to mention the script, which is refreshingly cerebral yet leaves much to wonder.
Why are the viewership ratings dropping? :( the drama is good
Nothing to worry about imo. Viewers are probably still exploring different shows to decide what to watch - as the Wed-Thu time slot has an usually good offering this time around. Apart from this show, SBS drama "Two Lives One Heart" has been doing better than expected, and MBC's "Terius Behind Me" has done very well too.
Personally I think quality wise "The Smile Has Left Your Eyes" blow the other two out the water, and expect it do even better in ratings the next coming weeks. I'm watching "Two Lives One Heart" and its starting to show big weaknesses in script.
Hmm, so I'm 4 episodes in and I already find this irredeemably average. Lot's of filler and recycled plot gimmicks by PD (making it hard to distinguish from his past works — Another miss oh, Marriage not dating etc.).
His prior dramas at least made a genuine effort at thematic and character exploration. Also they were consistently funny. Whereas 'The Beauty Inside' feels low effort and uneven in pacing..
Apparently the original film this is based on had had some interesting narrative, and did really well in the box office. But I doubt this adaption has enough engaging script to cover for the shows entire 16 episode run.
My God this was good. Very surprised. A refreshingly naturalistic pacing resembling much of PD's past works (including Oh My Ghostess, which I loved). There's complex characterization as well, I have high hopes for the writing as the source material is highly revered. And then there's Seo In Guk.. Boy does he impress. I'm getting Kim Nam Gil "Bad Guy (2010)" flashbacks as well as a bit of Kang Maru from Innocent Man.
Probably because this is a JTBC drama.I watched the first 2 episodes and it was really good. I like this one the…
@Vanesha888 Agreed. Cable dramas have seen a substantial uptick in viewership this year, with many highly anticipated dramas managing up to 3-5% on their 1st episode. Hence the slight shock at this shows rating, not that it says anything abt the quality — so far at least.
It's also rather telling when everyone who complains that people are rating the drama too early, have rated the show themselves lol. Everyone rates, and ratings are subject to change as the show progresses, this show isn't an anomaly in that regard.
Nice to see another programmer here btw!
'Clean With Passion For Now' is lighthearted, fun, and sometimes too overtop with the slapstick (though I find it charmingly effective in moderation). And while it stays within the bounds of tropes we're all too familiar with — the execution of them has IMO been super engaging so far.
What I like the most is that the show has heart. There's a coming of age story here (of both leads), thats being explored and communicated to viewers in a genuine way. It's easy to miss that with the histrionics and all, but its very appreciated, and a requisite for quality.
First of all, the first sequence (eps 1 to ~7/8) was simply breathtakingly beautiful. Some rare quality stuff you don't see often. But I feel the trajectory shifted too abruptly (although very subtly) once Kim Moo Young & Jin Kang's love arc started. It all fell into place too easily, and as a viewer I wanted more angst, more ambivalence — as I had previously been exposed too. Moo Young had always been a question mark, someone you could peel and peel, only to find more layers — but all of a sudden he morphed into a hopeless romantic.
I must admit though that this isn't a jab at the show as a whole. I think it maintained its quality all throughout (well at least in direction), and my reservations are more about my expectations not matching the shows outcome. I'm happy with the ending btw, even if it was a hard watch. Big creative integrity to do that, huge respect.
Rather, this feels like a product, where selling to as many viewers as possible is top priority. Let's add some flashy AR gimicks to capture viewers in the gaming market, and some idols who can't act (sorry not sorry) to grab another market, and buzz-worthy leads — because hey branding value, etc etc.. I have no issue with the main leads btw, I find them both charming and even great when they pick the right roles..
I wonder how big of an influence Netflix had in the decision making process of producing this show.. I think its great that they help with distribution, but beyond that I'm very skeptical.
I also assume the duration at which viewers tune in for an episode matters in terms of outcome in ratings. But alas, nitpicking over this is not worthwhile.
By all means feel free to discuss ratings, I was merely voicing my opinion in that I think the endeavour - beyond a certain point - is futile. You are of course free, and I wouldn't personally discourage you, to do otherwise. Also pardon me if the original post came off in a disconcerting manner, definitely not my intention.
Yeah I agree, as a fan one will always hope for the best. But I think that all the talk and focus on ratings, after a certain point, gets tiring. Personally I'd rather have my fave actor star in a high quality work that gains modest success (in ratings), rather then a ratings winner with no real substance. Jung Kyung Ho from 'Life on Mars' comes to mind.
'The Smile Has Left Your Eyes' has the rear task of dealing not with one, but two competitors (in 'Heart Surgeons' & 'My Secret Terius'), and yet still manages to average around 3%. I think this is a testament to how well audiences are responding to it (Netizens are also showering it with nothing but praise). Had SBS & MBC ran with its usual fare it would easily be in 6-7% range by now.
In any case, while I was intrigued by this show from the get-go — as of episode 8 its now in my top 10 list of all-time faves. Blown away by the reserved yet ambitious direction, insanely immersive acting, not to mention the script, which is refreshingly cerebral yet leaves much to wonder.
Personally I think quality wise "The Smile Has Left Your Eyes" blow the other two out the water, and expect it do even better in ratings the next coming weeks. I'm watching "Two Lives One Heart" and its starting to show big weaknesses in script.
His prior dramas at least made a genuine effort at thematic and character exploration. Also they were consistently funny. Whereas 'The Beauty Inside' feels low effort and uneven in pacing..
Apparently the original film this is based on had had some interesting narrative, and did really well in the box office. But I doubt this adaption has enough engaging script to cover for the shows entire 16 episode run.