lol You just couldn't WAIT to get on here and ask that in the thread, could you? hahaha You already sent me the same message under the list. I likely confused his name with that of an actual suicide victim.
Well, what he WAS doing on the list was being there, but he's no longer on the list because I removed his name thanks to your keen eye and courteous assistance.
Well, right now what he's doing is hanging out there.
But, I just checked and I see he is actually very much alive. Thanks for letting me know. I have no idea why his name ended up here. I probably confused his name with someone else's.
His people were not looking after him properly. Because of the culture, Korean celebrities are so fragile. If…
Same with Kim Jung Hyun of SHINee, the greatest Korean pop/rock singer of all time. He sent an explicit, undeniably urgent, two-page suicide email to his friend Nine9, a fellow idol at SM Entertainment, TWO WEEKS before he killed himself.
Nine9 immediately shared the email with SM and his freaking mother and sister. NO ONE DID ANYTHING of consequence. He was left alone to go about his business. Korean laws in effect when Jonghyun died in 2017, make it possible to go to a judge on an emergency basis and have a loved one hospitalized, even if against their wishes. His stupid mother did not take that letter to a judge, who would have ordered him hospitalized in a second after reading it; she did nothing.
Perhaps the most tragic element of jonghyun's case is that people who have truly DECIDED to kill themselves do NOT send out detailed letters about it to friends ahead of time. Often, in fact, they achieve peace of mind, having made that difficult choice and knowing their pain is about to end.
Jonghyun's letter was a scream for help. He didn't want to die, at least not 100% yet. There had to have been a tiny thread of hope or that letter would not have been sent. I despise his mother, of course.
Ugh, I can't believe we're talking about another Korean artist killing themselves. It seems like yesterday that LSK checked out 11 months ago.
If it's suicide (Actually they don't said it is suicide they just said it is not murder) why are they still investigating.…
"If it's suicide (Actually they don't said it is suicide they just said it is not murder) why are they still investigating. Normally when they found a suicide note they directly tell it but as far as I know, in this case they did not tell it is a suicide note at first and didn't specify the exact cause of death. "
Are you stupid or just another Korean in denial?
From MANY different sources it is all over the Internet that it was suicide. An anonymous police report leaked this. He left a full, one-page suicide letter, for god's sake. Did he write the suicide letter and then trip over the living room footstool and accidentally break his neck? Good God. I'm guessing he made the appointment for lunch so that the friend would know something was up when he didn't show up where they planned to meet, and come looking for him. Which is kind of mean, if you think about it...
MANY families of people who die young, especially when they already know it's a suicide, decline an autopsy. What's the point? An autopsy includes cutting the body wide open and doing all kinds of other nasty things to it. Who wants to put the body of a loved one thru that, knowing already why they are dead?
The only "uncertainty" is in your head. Are you Korean?
Song Jae Rim just became #27 on my custom list of Korean artists who died by suicide. I'm sure there are many I'm unaware of. I haven't added a name since we lost Lee Sun Kyun eleven months ago. :( Sometimes I hate Korea.
that’s their first kiss, and it is coming of age drama…not office or mafia drama. You don’t expect them…
In the first episode, when Bad Boy was at the drinking faucet, poured water over his head, then turned toward Haruki, the sun glistening behind him and those water drops dripping off his lips/chin/cheekbones into diamonds as they fell, I wet myself. (In brand new sweats too!) Hats off to the director! I think we have to change his name to Beautiful Bad Boy.
that’s their first kiss, and it is coming of age drama…not office or mafia drama. You don’t expect them…
Beautifully stated, tangoecho (your name sounds like a war movie radio code) :)D Problem is, you used the word "sexy." omg Now a swarm of MDLer prudes will descend upon you. Sex or anything sexy is not allowed in the fluffy fantasies these people prefer.
This isn’t Korea fault per say it’s a Japanese anti fan. Korea is just as worst anyways
I wondered about that too, if the JP stalker hadn't flown to Korea, which is really hardcore. Sad thing is, if he was being blackmailed with something so horrific that he would take his life over it, whatever it is is going to be revealed by the police investigation anyway. Perhaps he just didn't want to be around when that happens.
I have a strongly felt theory about what went down but I'll keep that to myself for now.
Because its the government thats homophobic not people. Not saying that theres no homophobic people in china tho…
The way in the bromances are portrayed, which you describe well in your reply, is exactly why I don't watch them. As an audience member, I resent being treated like a child looking for clues to a puzzle that will never be completed on screen.
Regarding this show, a good MDL friend has watched all seven episodes available and reports that it gets better as it goes and that the romance is explicitly confirmed and demonstrated physically in the last three eps or so. I'm only halfway through episode #3, as I find the watch to be OK but not something I'm engrossed in to binge.
As for where Chinese homophobia comes from, it is more complicated than just the government "teaching" the populace that gayness is a horrible thing. China, as a culture and society, has been homophobic for centuries. It's built into the zeitgeist that homosexuality is an appalling deviance and must be discouraged/punished. The government takes that existing bias and encourages it. F**k them.
The toxic nature of South Korea’s idol and celebrity culture is deeply troubling. Actors, singers, and other…
Thing is, if I really boycotted Korean product I would have almost nothing left to watch other than the few things Japan, Taiwan, and Thailand put out that I like. The OTHER thing is that I watch almost all of it free through helpful Internet sites, so my boycott would be silly, as no one knows I watch anyway. I do have Netflix, which carries lots of Korean content.
That's a big part of the frustration: How can Korea have such a strong film/drama industry and yet not be taking strong, aggressive action to publicly address the problems you so eloquently listed in your comment?
I WAS pleased to see yesterday that FIVE people have been remandedby the cops for trial in the Lee Sun Kyun case, which took place nearly a year ago. The day after Christmas, I believe it was. Two of them, the women from the club, are charged specifically with blackmail. I hope they do some serious time in jail. It's funny but also sad that they met in prison while serving time for other convictions
You have spoken my mind.It is so sad to see young talented actors committing suicide over netizens.And I agree…
Yes, I share that anxiety. I've been worried about Yoo Ah In for over a year now. If he were to take himself out over the drug charges and now the ridiculous one-year prison sentence, I would be horrified but not surprised. He is a spectacular talent. I thought he had already been dragged off to prison, but apparently, he is still out because he has appealed the sentence to another court with the premise that it is far too severe for the "crimes" committed, which harmed no one but himself.
This isn’t Korea fault per say it’s a Japanese anti fan. Korea is just as worst anyways
Again, I question how and why someone would kill themselves over the actions of one online stalker in Japan. Why not block the person? If that turns out to have been the reason, and I doubt we'll ever be told one way or the other since Korea as a society likes to hush up suicide news as fast as possible, with the excuse that talking/writing about it might lead to copycat suicides. BS.
Anyway, if it was this one stalker online, there's a lot more to the story than we've been told. I'm wondering if he was already in a bad place due to severe depression/anxiety chemically or for a specific reason, and the harassment was the last straw.
Because they're assholes. Your asking that question and wanting to hear some rumors, guesses, unfounded speculation, and other crap from whoever answers you is part of the problem. They attacked him because they are hateful, bad people. I hope they go to jail. I'm glad to see at least one management company and actor go after these crazy netizen psychos.
Way to go Korea, you murdered yet another talented artist/entertainer. Another one makes an "extreme decision," "embarks on a long journey," and "becomes a star in the sky," right? " Good work! After every one of your killings, I hear those disgusting cliches from your media and I want to puke.
It's been nearly a year since Lee Sun Kyun took himself out via charcoal briquettes, so you were way overdue for another celebrity suicide. It's one of the things you do best, Korea!
Most of my favorite series and movies are Korean, but the way Korea treats its creatives leaves me feeling guilty at times. No other country on Earth has anywhere near as many of these deaths as Korea. Am I supporting this poisonous celeb/netizen/fan/media culture by watching Korean content? I haven't answered that question for myself yet. But honestly, since the suicide of Lee Sun Kyun and with all those before him in mind, every time I gear up to watch a Korean show, it pops into my head.
I'm sure there's a LOT more to this story than one psycho stalker from Japan leaving a few insults on social media. It's unlikely Song Jae Rim killed himself over that alone. However, I won't be holding my breath to hear any scoops from Korean media. They prefer to move on quickly and pretend the last suicide didn't happen...until the next one does.
Because its the government thats homophobic not people. Not saying that theres no homophobic people in china tho…
Well, I know what you mean and I was mostly referring to the authoritarian government. Regarding the Chinese people, you're kidding yourself. It's EXTREMELY difficult to be out of the closet there. The culture is a long way behind the West in accepting homosexuality as an acceptable fact of life. A huge percentage of the population, especially older generations, were taught the homosexuality is not a real "thing," that it's a symptom of the degenerate immoral culture of Western countries.
There's an older, well-known BL out of China, released before the ban, that captures this very well. I wish I could recall the name of it. When the gay couple is inadvertently outed, one of the mothers is flabbergasted; she had no idea that such a thing even existed. So, she got a double shock.
Yes, you can find gay-haters anywhere, but there is a much higher percentage of them in China than in most Western countries, along with Taiwan and Thailand, both of which have legalized gay marriage. :)
Finally, there's t the simple fact that censored Chinese bromances are insulting to the audience. You're expected to play hide-and-seek, keeping an eye out for subtle indications that characters are gay and/or in a relationship with another dude. You're supposed to find great significance is bland dialogue full of little hints and double meanings. You're supposed to accept that a romantic couple is such, even though they never touch, let alone hug or kiss. It's just a juvenile mind game I'm not interested in playing.
That was not a kiss. That was two actors reluctant to do a guy-on-guy kiss, or being restrained by a scaredy-cat…
As I said above, why are you defending the indefensible? I repeat: Nobody, gay or straight, kisses like this unless they are, as you apparently are, one of the worst kissers on the planet.
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Well, what he WAS doing on the list was being there, but he's no longer on the list because I removed his name thanks to your keen eye and courteous assistance.
Thank you!
But, I just checked and I see he is actually very much alive. Thanks for letting me know. I have no idea why his name ended up here. I probably confused his name with someone else's.
Thanks again.
Nine9 immediately shared the email with SM and his freaking mother and sister. NO ONE DID ANYTHING of consequence. He was left alone to go about his business. Korean laws in effect when Jonghyun died in 2017, make it possible to go to a judge on an emergency basis and have a loved one hospitalized, even if against their wishes. His stupid mother did not take that letter to a judge, who would have ordered him hospitalized in a second after reading it; she did nothing.
Perhaps the most tragic element of jonghyun's case is that people who have truly DECIDED to kill themselves do NOT send out detailed letters about it to friends ahead of time. Often, in fact, they achieve peace of mind, having made that difficult choice and knowing their pain is about to end.
Jonghyun's letter was a scream for help. He didn't want to die, at least not 100% yet. There had to have been a tiny thread of hope or that letter would not have been sent. I despise his mother, of course.
Ugh, I can't believe we're talking about another Korean artist killing themselves. It seems like yesterday that LSK checked out 11 months ago.
Are you stupid or just another Korean in denial?
From MANY different sources it is all over the Internet that it was suicide. An anonymous police report leaked this. He left a full, one-page suicide letter, for god's sake. Did he write the suicide letter and then trip over the living room footstool and accidentally break his neck? Good God. I'm guessing he made the appointment for lunch so that the friend would know something was up when he didn't show up where they planned to meet, and come looking for him. Which is kind of mean, if you think about it...
MANY families of people who die young, especially when they already know it's a suicide, decline an autopsy. What's the point? An autopsy includes cutting the body wide open and doing all kinds of other nasty things to it. Who wants to put the body of a loved one thru that, knowing already why they are dead?
The only "uncertainty" is in your head. Are you Korean?
My list: https://kisskh.at/list/1drDvBV3
Those cheekbones are like razor blades. Wow.
I have a strongly felt theory about what went down but I'll keep that to myself for now.
Regarding this show, a good MDL friend has watched all seven episodes available and reports that it gets better as it goes and that the romance is explicitly confirmed and demonstrated physically in the last three eps or so. I'm only halfway through episode #3, as I find the watch to be OK but not something I'm engrossed in to binge.
As for where Chinese homophobia comes from, it is more complicated than just the government "teaching" the populace that gayness is a horrible thing. China, as a culture and society, has been homophobic for centuries. It's built into the zeitgeist that homosexuality is an appalling deviance and must be discouraged/punished. The government takes that existing bias and encourages it. F**k them.
The OTHER thing is that I watch almost all of it free through helpful Internet sites, so my boycott would be silly, as no one knows I watch anyway. I do have Netflix, which carries lots of Korean content.
That's a big part of the frustration: How can Korea have such a strong film/drama industry and yet not be taking strong, aggressive action to publicly address the problems you so eloquently listed in your comment?
I WAS pleased to see yesterday that FIVE people have been remandedby the cops for trial in the Lee Sun Kyun case, which took place nearly a year ago. The day after Christmas, I believe it was. Two of them, the women from the club, are charged specifically with blackmail. I hope they do some serious time in jail. It's funny but also sad that they met in prison while serving time for other convictions
Anyway, if it was this one stalker online, there's a lot more to the story than we've been told. I'm wondering if he was already in a bad place due to severe depression/anxiety chemically or for a specific reason, and the harassment was the last straw.
It's been nearly a year since Lee Sun Kyun took himself out via charcoal briquettes, so you were way overdue for another celebrity suicide. It's one of the things you do best, Korea!
Most of my favorite series and movies are Korean, but the way Korea treats its creatives leaves me feeling guilty at times. No other country on Earth has anywhere near as many of these deaths as Korea. Am I supporting this poisonous celeb/netizen/fan/media culture by watching Korean content? I haven't answered that question for myself yet. But honestly, since the suicide of Lee Sun Kyun and with all those before him in mind, every time I gear up to watch a Korean show, it pops into my head.
I'm sure there's a LOT more to this story than one psycho stalker from Japan leaving a few insults on social media. It's unlikely Song Jae Rim killed himself over that alone. However, I won't be holding my breath to hear any scoops from Korean media. They prefer to move on quickly and pretend the last suicide didn't happen...until the next one does.
There's an older, well-known BL out of China, released before the ban, that captures this very well. I wish I could recall the name of it. When the gay couple is inadvertently outed, one of the mothers is flabbergasted; she had no idea that such a thing even existed. So, she got a double shock.
Yes, you can find gay-haters anywhere, but there is a much higher percentage of them in China than in most Western countries, along with Taiwan and Thailand, both of which have legalized gay marriage. :)
Finally, there's t the simple fact that censored Chinese bromances are insulting to the audience. You're expected to play hide-and-seek, keeping an eye out for subtle indications that characters are gay and/or in a relationship with another dude. You're supposed to find great significance is bland dialogue full of little hints and double meanings. You're supposed to accept that a romantic couple is such, even though they never touch, let alone hug or kiss. It's just a juvenile mind game I'm not interested in playing.
I repeat: Nobody, gay or straight, kisses like this unless they are, as you apparently are, one of the worst kissers on the planet.