Kissing is important in bl but some are fine if they give us proper chemistry,I have seen so many good kissing…
ugh. Cherry Magic had me going but that older actor's refusal to do real kissing, and the resulting tease kisses where they moved in as if to kiss and then the scene cut, turned me off to the entire series. Kissing in a BL is no more or less important than it is in a straight romantic drama; I would feel the same way if a couple kissed like this in a straight movie or drama. But the ONLY genre in which I've ever seen mannequin kisses is BL, which tells the whole story right there. It's bizarre.
I just don't get that it was SO important to have that particular actor in Cherry Magic, that the director compromised the integrity of his entire show so that he could include him. Why not just cast someone non-homophobic or closeted? But then, who knows what went into putting any show like that together, how the casting came about, etc.
Cherry Magic also annoyed me because the popping of the dude's "Cherry" near the end was glossed over as if unimportant. Jesus.
I thought both were in J-Pop groups, but only the actor playing Akihiro is an idol. The other guy appears to be only an actor. My guess, from experience, is that it is the first guy's status as an idol that required these mannequin kisses. I think you're right though; it seems there was a more convincing kiss in episode 1, which makes it odd too; why more normal kisses in one episode and then mannequin kisses in the next?
Who knows? Either way, nothing takes me out of a scene like a mannequin kiss and all its implications. The first time I saw a BL mannequin kiss after I discovered BL Land three and a half years ago, I truly was like "what the hell is going on?" lol
Meh...kind of boring. People below complain about short episodes, but I found myself wishing time would move faster. There's just nothing engaging or intriguing going on.
Akihiro keeps playing hard to get, but he keeps accepting slithery invitations and there's no real dramatic tension. We and the characters know exactly where this will end. The "bitch" thing was supposed to be...funny? Sassy? It felt out of left field to me, and not in a good way. The assistant doesn't read as the kind of queen who would say that, so..wtf?
Finally, the mannequin kisses, designed to protect the ostensible, alleged straightness of the two J-pop idols, along with their marketability, ruin every scene in which they are resorted to. No one, anywhere on Earth, kisses like that. Fake mannequin kisses ("eeeeeewwwwww...don't move your lips! People might think we're gay!) are a direct insult to the audience.
Don't want to kiss a guy? Don't accept a role in a BL...bitch.
I'm not trying to force you to do anything. I'm asking simple questions about why you say the things you say and do the things you do. But you won't answer because you don't HAVE to. Well, questions and answers are part of any discussion, and if you can't handle that, it says plenty about your perspective.
So, let me get this straight: You have repeatedly referred to the "Lust, Caution" sex scenes as "porn, utterly graphic, in-your-face crude, and gratuitous," yet now you claim you're not "offended" by them. Alrighty then...I guess twisting yourself into a pretzel reasoning like that allows you to both call out such scenes as a negative aspect of certain films AND enjoy watching all that naked sex at the same time. lol
Question: Why in the world do you not spell out words like "porn" and "sex?" Why are sex scenes a bad thing? You keep describing them as negative, yet you won't say why.
As expected, you are unable to answer sensibly any of my questions, and you watched the entire movie, start to finish, including all the "crude and utterly graphic...porn culture" sex scenes, even though you claim to find them offensive.
You're a childish, sexually repressed hypocrite.
I love that you're so pure you can't bring yourself to spell out the word "porn." lol
I was mostly on board with the first half, which gradually revealed more and more weirdness about the teacher and his past, but the entire second half with the festival decor and all the shootings was just...lame. I sat watching all this shoot-em-up, graphic gore while intermittently rolling my eyes and forcing myself to watch until the end; after all, I'd come that far, why not waste another 15 minutes?
The exact same act of violence was repeated what, 30 or 40 times? It just got monotonous. I guess Miike Takashi thought he was being clever and ironic or something. NOT. Maybe he thought that was the point: we're so used to this kind of killing (especially here in the U.S. with our daily mass killings by gun) that it ceases to have any significant impact. Whatever; it was stupid. MT often thinks his trash is meaningful. It's not.
Absolutely terrible. Highly not recommended. I'm going to give the first half an 8, the second half a zero and average things out at 4/10.
I've tried to watch this movie like 4 different times, every time I get to that part at the beginning where that…
I don't think he actually came; he was just trying to gross out the teacher. That was one of many segments that didn't really work, either as comedy or to show the students' absolute disregard for authority. Mostly, it was just stupid, like the entire second half of the film.
A lot of paranoid hypersensitivity in this comment section regarding a "white guy" doing anything good. lol Guess what? The story is about a "white guy" who inadvertently joins the Yakuza and kicks some ass. There are zillions of Yakuza flicks in which NO white guy does anything at all. But because there is ONE flick with that story line, it is pushing a pro-colonialism/white savior rescues the Asians agenda. hahaha
Also guess what? White guys from the U.S. DID save Japan's ass after WW2. And the world has been better for it ever since. Get over it.
Why, exactly, do the sex scenes, which I've already shown were NOT "pornographic," need "to be DENOUNCED?" lol Who are you, the head of the Chinese Communist Party Censorship Board?
What do you have against sex? It is a part of every normal adult's life. Why does bare flesh and actors pretending to have sex scare you so? What is "gratuitous" about the scenes in this movie? Is it up to you to decide how much sex, if any, is just the right amount and thus, not gratuitous, or can you leave that up to the individual viewer to decide for themselves?
Finally, did you stop watching the film after the first sex scene or did you keep watching? I guess we know the answer, since you write of them in multiples, meaning you saw more than one. Why did you keep watching if you were so offended and outraged? Why didn't you stop right there?
Not even going to count the few tiny things I might have changed, as they are insignificant in the overall power of this moving and delightful film.
Highly, highly recommended. As with all good movies/dramas on MDL, this one is deeply underrated. Thus, I give it the rating it deserves, plus a tiny bonus to make it perfect:
To me, it's a casting problem. Chemistry cannot be "written" to exist between actors. It is either there or it…
Well, either way, we agree on one thing: They screwed up a potentially good story/show. I liked the first episode a lot, and was excited to see how things went, but every ep got lamer and lamer.
It will be interesting to see how they wrap it up this week.
lol I guess I missed the explicit penetration shots, the ejaculations, the sperm dribbling out of mouths and all that...damn, where can I get hold of the version YOU saw?
I hated the ending so much. I don't mind if chia chi died just like the original/true story, but I hated how they…
Some people like and have "abusive" sex, both the one abusing and the one being abused. And it certainly is no surprise that Tony Leung's character, given what he does for a living, is someone who likes rough, really rough, sex.
So much effort and energy spent ..... and I do understand why this ending, but one question still remains. Why…
Does any story NEED to be told? Isn't it more a matter of someone WANTING to tell a story, and then doing so? Could you suggest a story or two that NEEDED to be told, and how they differ from this one, assuming you think it did NOT need to be told?
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I just don't get that it was SO important to have that particular actor in Cherry Magic, that the director compromised the integrity of his entire show so that he could include him. Why not just cast someone non-homophobic or closeted? But then, who knows what went into putting any show like that together, how the casting came about, etc.
Cherry Magic also annoyed me because the popping of the dude's "Cherry" near the end was glossed over as if unimportant. Jesus.
Who knows? Either way, nothing takes me out of a scene like a mannequin kiss and all its implications. The first time I saw a BL mannequin kiss after I discovered BL Land three and a half years ago, I truly was like "what the hell is going on?" lol
People below complain about short episodes, but I found myself wishing time would move faster. There's just nothing engaging or intriguing going on.
Akihiro keeps playing hard to get, but he keeps accepting slithery invitations and there's no real dramatic tension. We and the characters know exactly where this will end.
The "bitch" thing was supposed to be...funny? Sassy? It felt out of left field to me, and not in a good way. The assistant doesn't read as the kind of queen who would say that, so..wtf?
Finally, the mannequin kisses, designed to protect the ostensible, alleged straightness of the two J-pop idols, along with their marketability, ruin every scene in which they are resorted to. No one, anywhere on Earth, kisses like that. Fake mannequin kisses ("eeeeeewwwwww...don't move your lips! People might think we're gay!) are a direct insult to the audience.
Don't want to kiss a guy? Don't accept a role in a BL...bitch.
So, let me get this straight: You have repeatedly referred to the "Lust, Caution" sex scenes as "porn, utterly graphic, in-your-face crude, and gratuitous," yet now you claim you're not "offended" by them. Alrighty then...I guess twisting yourself into a pretzel reasoning like that allows you to both call out such scenes as a negative aspect of certain films AND enjoy watching all that naked sex at the same time. lol
Question: Why in the world do you not spell out words like "porn" and "sex?" Why are sex scenes a bad thing? You keep describing them as negative, yet you won't say why.
You're a childish, sexually repressed hypocrite.
I love that you're so pure you can't bring yourself to spell out the word "porn." lol
I was mostly on board with the first half, which gradually revealed more and more weirdness about the teacher and his past, but the entire second half with the festival decor and all the shootings was just...lame. I sat watching all this shoot-em-up, graphic gore while intermittently rolling my eyes and forcing myself to watch until the end; after all, I'd come that far, why not waste another 15 minutes?
The exact same act of violence was repeated what, 30 or 40 times? It just got monotonous. I guess Miike Takashi thought he was being clever and ironic or something. NOT. Maybe he thought that was the point: we're so used to this kind of killing (especially here in the U.S. with our daily mass killings by gun) that it ceases to have any significant impact. Whatever; it was stupid. MT often thinks his trash is meaningful. It's not.
Absolutely terrible. Highly not recommended. I'm going to give the first half an 8, the second half a zero and average things out at 4/10.
Don't bother.
Also guess what? White guys from the U.S. DID save Japan's ass after WW2. And the world has been better for it ever since. Get over it.
What do you have against sex? It is a part of every normal adult's life. Why does bare flesh and actors pretending to have sex scare you so? What is "gratuitous" about the scenes in this movie? Is it up to you to decide how much sex, if any, is just the right amount and thus, not gratuitous, or can you leave that up to the individual viewer to decide for themselves?
Finally, did you stop watching the film after the first sex scene or did you keep watching? I guess we know the answer, since you write of them in multiples, meaning you saw more than one. Why did you keep watching if you were so offended and outraged? Why didn't you stop right there?
It couldn't be that you're a hypocrite, could it?
Not even going to count the few tiny things I might have changed, as they are insignificant in the overall power of this moving and delightful film.
Highly, highly recommended. As with all good movies/dramas on MDL, this one is deeply underrated. Thus, I give it the rating it deserves, plus a tiny bonus to make it perfect:
10/10
It will be interesting to see how they wrap it up this week.
Could you suggest a story or two that NEEDED to be told, and how they differ from this one, assuming you think it did NOT need to be told?