Totally disagree. I enjoy dramas and movies that challenge my assumptions and push me toward the outside of the…
Isn't "hot sex" still hot sex, regardless of what anyone participating in it has or has not done prior to the hot sex? Is a beautiful painting created by a brutal killer any less beautiful because it was created by a brutal killer?
Is it that you felt "enticed" into feeling something you didn't want to feel? Doesn't EVERY piece of art in any medium "entice" its audience to feel emotions of all kinds?
"They seem to share your ability to experience that kind of programming without any sense of distaste." I'm getting a judgmental/self-righteous vibe from this statement. Tell me if I'm wrong. It seems to imply that people like me and the commenters you mentioned above are at a lower level of moral expectations than are you.
What, exactly, caused you "distaste?" The fact that murderers can have hot sex, or did have hot sex after killing someone? They should have stopped having sex after killing someone to punish themselves? What?
Wow ... I absolutely love the first two episodes. The slow burn is delicious! The script and acting are on point,…
Totally disagree. I enjoy dramas and movies that challenge my assumptions and push me toward the outside of the envelope I live in. Can a "demented murderer" also have intensely tender feelings of affection and love? Can TWO murderers truly love and care for each other in some kind of relationship that works for them? Can a person kill a defenseless victim and also be capable of great tenderness toward another human being?
I like being asked to hold two or more seemingly opposing emotions or beliefs at the same time. Do I want a killer to escape justice for their crime just because they're in love with another person and treats them beautifully and kindly? No. But can I experience wanting two killers to be together even though I don't want them to escape the law? Yes.
I want them to be together and have a beautiful life AND I want them to go to prison. Doesn't have to make sense. We humans often want what we can't have, and desire that which is not good for us or anyone else. I like experiencing the conflicting, angsty emotions of messy stories that challenge me with all this...stuff.
Lee Yi Kyung is an exceptionally talented actor. He carried this film all the way.
But all supporting performances were just as good, especially from Jung Yeon Joo as the young mother. Her acting in that final scene was perfection and I'm fine with that ending. Asian films have taught me I don't always have to have a beautifully wrapped and decorated ending that answers all my questions for the future. Not knowing what comes next is OK with me if it's done right, which this one is.
I wish it was the other couple from history 4 instead.
What did you find "problematic" about the older/younger couple in History3:MODC?
As for the step-brothers, they were the most intriguing and challenging, thus dramatic, part of History4:CTY. Good drama is often built on gray-area behavior and character actions that test our boundaries. Do you want to see everyone doing nice things all the time? Boring.
The only "problematic" thing those two did was moving in with the parents at the end. Crazy. And if their loving relationship is stable and both are happy after all the getting-together dramatics, why shouldn't they give relationship advice to others? I'd say they are MORE qualified to dispense advice BECAUSE of what they went through, and yet they prevailed.
Lots of people become a couple under trying circumstances and end up forming a solid bond of love and respect.
After looking at the cast and reading comments below, I want to thank everyone for helping me to not lose even one brain cell by watching this drama, yet another POS out of Thailand. How do directors who make vomitously bad dramas obtain jobs directing yet another POS? Are shows like this successful on TV in Thailand?
It's really too bad how Thailand BLs have become a joke/punch line. I got my BL start with Lovesick, Make It Right, Together With Me and other Thai BLs that touched me deeply. But now it seems every f**king show out of Thailand is just awful and embarrassing. I still try at least the first episode of each drama before I trash it and drop. Haven't watched a Thai BL in full since Moonlight Chicken.
I want a bl with both of them as the main characters or a part 2 of the movie where maybe they become a couple…
Me too! Except I didn't cry at Titanic AT ALL, which is weird because I cry easily at movies that touch me. But something about DeCaprio's performance left me cold. He seemed like Kate Winslet's little brother, not her lover.
A friend and I saw Titanic in an opening day matinee where we were almost the only people in the seats. After it ended, I turned to him and said "well, that's going to bomb." oops! lol
A message to an MDL friend after finishing this flick:
Went back and finished "Marry My Dead Body" just now and am very glad I did. Not sure I would have without a nudge from you.
Cried like a child for at least the last 20 minutes. The writers/director did a great job of combining comedy, both emotional and physical, with tragic drama here and the actors made it all work beautifully. What happened before was that I got to just short of midway and it felt like the focus was turning from the gay/straight/ghost marriage stuff, which I found hilarious, to another lame "who dunnit?" exercise during which the hot detective would solve the crime with the help of the ghost, but I didn't feel anything compelling about that, which is when I took a break. When I came back I discovered that only for about ten minutes while that transition was made did the film spin its wheels a bit. I was laughing my ass off again soon and loving the interaction of the dead guy and the hot detective. The way he came around to gay-friendly felt plausible, especially since he wasn't like a raging, spittle-flinging fag-hater to begin with.
I would rate this as one of my favorite cops and robbers comedy/sad drama with nice endings I've seen, especially among the gay ones.
ALL the acting was good. Especially impressed with Greg Hsu as the detective. I know I've seen him elsewhere and am going to check his bio/filmography after leaving this message to find out where. Turns out the other actor who played the dead guy, Austin Lin, co-stars in the film below, Anywhere, Somehwere, ,Nowhere, which I dropped. I spent the entirety of the half of that film I watched wondering where I'd seen that guy too, but didn't expect it to be that I'd just seen him the night before in MMDB, lol. But his face has changed enough in 9 years that I wouldn't have put the two together.
I think we can all thank Greg Hsu and the director for the gratuitous and mouth-watering butt shot during the scene where he had just settled in to watch porn and jerk off when he started hearing weird noises and got up to investigate. lol WHAT a butt! Afterwards, I was thinking they may have missed an opportunity there...it would have been hysterically funny and also pervy-hot to somehow have the ghost-husband make his presence known in that same room where Detective was masturbating, in a slow-reveal kind of way where he slowly somehow becomes the object of the Detective's masturbatory fantasy onscreen without the cop realizing it at first. OR...he could have just appeared over his shoulder and handed him a few tissues right after he came. :D Regardless, I thought sure Detective's computer was going to revert somehow to gay porn while he was beating off, as some side-connection to the ghost having been there. That would have been funny too.
The near-last scene in the hospital room where Detective reconciled ghost-son and father as intermediary by asking the dad questions so ghost boy could hear the answers. So moving. The dad and the cop were excellent in that scene.
I'm like you: I enjoy the English first names most Taiwanese entertainers give themselves, with an alternated Sino first name for their gigs on the mainland.
And I keep forgetting to say how much I love Taipei Tower, which I believe is the name of that tallest-by-far skyscraper on the Taipei skyline. So very Asian and distinctive without being cheesy.
This massively inflated MDL rating is a mind-blower. Anyone rating this above a 5/10 is fangirling.
One of the most incoherent, unnecesarily bizarre, full of BS storylines in BL history. I get to say this because I liked Season 1 a lot a rated it highly. Then they followed up with this trash. The plot holes, improbabilties, impossibilities, nonsensibilities and general stupidity is more than readily apparent, thus I will not bother to list them. That's why only a fangirl/boy would rate this thing above a 5/10 for the handsome/pretty men and the good acting from Ray Chang. The plot is so absurd I had to double-check to make sure this wasn't made in Thailand.
Meh...at 50 minutes, I've had it with waiting for ANY sort of coherent thru-line to hang onto through this thing but that's apparently not something that is going to be happening, so I'm out. Don't appreciate the gay-tease BS that is obviously going nowhere either. Sad waste of two very good actors in the lead roles. I don't mind heavily symbolic/abstract films if I feel I'm being led toward something. I don't feel that here so dropping.
I'm liking this one a lot. Great, fun, sexy, slightly-Japanese-twisted plot going on. Exceptional sexual energy between the leads as well as them both being charismatic on their own. They both look like Manga drawings come to life, one breathtakingly beautiful, the other sex on a stick. The new weathergirl looks like a blow-up sex doll and I'm pretty sure that's not by accident either, nor is the fact that her boobs are pushed up to her chin. The management of the weather channel knows what it's doing too. :) The post-masturbation/Manga-drawing scene was hilarious. "Masturbating while drawing gives the artist good inspiration..." hahaha All the sticky tissues laying around, empty beer cans, etc. Excellent set dressing! :D The overall setup of the artist being in love with the guy he lives with, but unable to fully act or express it on his own is nothing new, but it is so well-presented and acted that it feels fresh. I was a little surprised to see so much come out in the open in this second episode, since there are six more to go and I thought the build-up to today's scene would be longer. Kind of hoping Manga-Boy would go crazy with jealousy while Weatherboy was banging the sex doll on "cloudy days." lol
This show is a wonderful corrective to all the usual Thai garbage airing right now, which I watched one episode of each, then dropped. More REAL heat in this one episode of Taikan Yoho than the last 500 Thai abortions put together.
I'm wondering, is this what his character in Zenra Meshi alludes to??🤔
I watched all of Zenra Meshi, as bad as it was. This guy played the veggie store owner, right? What are you referring to in that his chararcter "alludes to" something. I think we just saw Wei go into the room and do what Shih had done a year before, so how would he be around as the same character in Zenra Meshi to allude to anything?
It's frustrating to have no idea why Shih did what he did in the first place. He didn't seem distraught at the film's beginning when we saw him calmly come home, sip some beer, then go into the bedroom carrying some...things. We were shown nothing to indicate discord between the two halves of the MC. It's also frustrating that it seems Wei's friends had allowed him to become very isolated, not that you can always do much if someone is determined to isolate themselves.
Figaro Tseng's acting here was quite good. The other guy too, for the bit we got to see him on screen.
The bit with the duct tape at the beginning and again at the end was quietly horrifying and sad.
That bastard landlord is going to have an EXTRA hell of a time selling the house now, eh?
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Is it that you felt "enticed" into feeling something you didn't want to feel? Doesn't EVERY piece of art in any medium "entice" its audience to feel emotions of all kinds?
"They seem to share your ability to experience that kind of programming without any sense of distaste." I'm getting a judgmental/self-righteous vibe from this statement. Tell me if I'm wrong. It seems to imply that people like me and the commenters you mentioned above are at a lower level of moral expectations than are you.
What, exactly, caused you "distaste?" The fact that murderers can have hot sex, or did have hot sex after killing someone? They should have stopped having sex after killing someone to punish themselves? What?
I like being asked to hold two or more seemingly opposing emotions or beliefs at the same time. Do I want a killer to escape justice for their crime just because they're in love with another person and treats them beautifully and kindly? No. But can I experience wanting two killers to be together even though I don't want them to escape the law? Yes.
I want them to be together and have a beautiful life AND I want them to go to prison. Doesn't have to make sense. We humans often want what we can't have, and desire that which is not good for us or anyone else. I like experiencing the conflicting, angsty emotions of messy stories that challenge me with all this...stuff.
But all supporting performances were just as good, especially from Jung Yeon Joo as the young mother. Her acting in that final scene was perfection and I'm fine with that ending. Asian films have taught me I don't always have to have a beautifully wrapped and decorated ending that answers all my questions for the future. Not knowing what comes next is OK with me if it's done right, which this one is.
9/10
As I do with every BL, I'll at least check out the first episode before sticking with it or dropping it.
This synopsis sounds like it was stolen from the Thai BL POS assembly line and camouflaged with a "Made in Taiwan" label.
As for the step-brothers, they were the most intriguing and challenging, thus dramatic, part of History4:CTY. Good drama is often built on gray-area behavior and character actions that test our boundaries. Do you want to see everyone doing nice things all the time? Boring.
The only "problematic" thing those two did was moving in with the parents at the end. Crazy. And if their loving relationship is stable and both are happy after all the getting-together dramatics, why shouldn't they give relationship advice to others? I'd say they are MORE qualified to dispense advice BECAUSE of what they went through, and yet they prevailed.
Lots of people become a couple under trying circumstances and end up forming a solid bond of love and respect.
How do directors who make vomitously bad dramas obtain jobs directing yet another POS? Are shows like this successful on TV in Thailand?
It's really too bad how Thailand BLs have become a joke/punch line. I got my BL start with Lovesick, Make It Right, Together With Me and other Thai BLs that touched me deeply. But now it seems every f**king show out of Thailand is just awful and embarrassing. I still try at least the first episode of each drama before I trash it and drop. Haven't watched a Thai BL in full since Moonlight Chicken.
Dropped
1/10
Thanks for the explanations.
Except I didn't cry at Titanic AT ALL, which is weird because I cry easily at movies that touch me. But something about DeCaprio's performance left me cold. He seemed like Kate Winslet's little brother, not her lover.
A friend and I saw Titanic in an opening day matinee where we were almost the only people in the seats. After it ended, I turned to him and said "well, that's going to bomb." oops! lol
Went back and finished "Marry My Dead Body" just now and am very glad I did. Not sure I would have without a nudge from you.
Cried like a child for at least the last 20 minutes. The writers/director did a great job of combining comedy, both emotional and physical, with tragic drama here and the actors made it all work beautifully.
What happened before was that I got to just short of midway and it felt like the focus was turning from the gay/straight/ghost marriage stuff, which I found hilarious, to another lame "who dunnit?" exercise during which the hot detective would solve the crime with the help of the ghost, but I didn't feel anything compelling about that, which is when I took a break. When I came back I discovered that only for about ten minutes while that transition was made did the film spin its wheels a bit. I was laughing my ass off again soon and loving the interaction of the dead guy and the hot detective. The way he came around to gay-friendly felt plausible, especially since he wasn't like a raging, spittle-flinging fag-hater to begin with.
I would rate this as one of my favorite cops and robbers comedy/sad drama with nice endings I've seen, especially among the gay ones.
ALL the acting was good.
Especially impressed with Greg Hsu as the detective. I know I've seen him elsewhere and am going to check his bio/filmography after leaving this message to find out where.
Turns out the other actor who played the dead guy, Austin Lin, co-stars in the film below, Anywhere, Somehwere, ,Nowhere, which I dropped. I spent the entirety of the half of that film I watched wondering where I'd seen that guy too, but didn't expect it to be that I'd just seen him the night before in MMDB, lol. But his face has changed enough in 9 years that I wouldn't have put the two together.
I think we can all thank Greg Hsu and the director for the gratuitous and mouth-watering butt shot during the scene where he had just settled in to watch porn and jerk off when he started hearing weird noises and got up to investigate. lol WHAT a butt! Afterwards, I was thinking they may have missed an opportunity there...it would have been hysterically funny and also pervy-hot to somehow have the ghost-husband make his presence known in that same room where Detective was masturbating, in a slow-reveal kind of way where he slowly somehow becomes the object of the Detective's masturbatory fantasy onscreen without the cop realizing it at first. OR...he could have just appeared over his shoulder and handed him a few tissues right after he came. :D Regardless, I thought sure Detective's computer was going to revert somehow to gay porn while he was beating off, as some side-connection to the ghost having been there. That would have been funny too.
The near-last scene in the hospital room where Detective reconciled ghost-son and father as intermediary by asking the dad questions so ghost boy could hear the answers. So moving. The dad and the cop were excellent in that scene.
I'm like you: I enjoy the English first names most Taiwanese entertainers give themselves, with an alternated Sino first name for their gigs on the mainland.
And I keep forgetting to say how much I love Taipei Tower, which I believe is the name of that tallest-by-far skyscraper on the Taipei skyline. So very Asian and distinctive without being cheesy.
"CP?"
Anyone rating this above a 5/10 is fangirling.
One of the most incoherent, unnecesarily bizarre, full of BS storylines in BL history. I get to say this because I liked Season 1 a lot a rated it highly. Then they followed up with this trash. The plot holes, improbabilties, impossibilities, nonsensibilities and general stupidity is more than readily apparent, thus I will not bother to list them. That's why only a fangirl/boy would rate this thing above a 5/10 for the handsome/pretty men and the good acting from Ray Chang. The plot is so absurd I had to double-check to make sure this wasn't made in Thailand.
Absolutely, terrifyingly bad.
1/10
Don't appreciate the gay-tease BS that is obviously going nowhere either.
Sad waste of two very good actors in the lead roles.
I don't mind heavily symbolic/abstract films if I feel I'm being led toward something. I don't feel that here so dropping.
1/10
Great, fun, sexy, slightly-Japanese-twisted plot going on.
Exceptional sexual energy between the leads as well as them both being charismatic on their own.
They both look like Manga drawings come to life, one breathtakingly beautiful, the other sex on a stick.
The new weathergirl looks like a blow-up sex doll and I'm pretty sure that's not by accident either, nor is the fact that her boobs are pushed up to her chin. The management of the weather channel knows what it's doing too. :)
The post-masturbation/Manga-drawing scene was hilarious. "Masturbating while drawing gives the artist good inspiration..." hahaha All the sticky tissues laying around, empty beer cans, etc. Excellent set dressing! :D
The overall setup of the artist being in love with the guy he lives with, but unable to fully act or express it on his own is nothing new, but it is so well-presented and acted that it feels fresh.
I was a little surprised to see so much come out in the open in this second episode, since there are six more to go and I thought the build-up to today's scene would be longer. Kind of hoping Manga-Boy would go crazy with jealousy while Weatherboy was banging the sex doll on "cloudy days." lol
This show is a wonderful corrective to all the usual Thai garbage airing right now, which I watched one episode of each, then dropped. More REAL heat in this one episode of Taikan Yoho than the last 500 Thai abortions put together.
Bravo so far!
Two main actors are cute/hot.
Worst job of poster-hanging ever seen.
2/10
I think we just saw Wei go into the room and do what Shih had done a year before, so how would he be around as the same character in Zenra Meshi to allude to anything?
Figaro Tseng's acting here was quite good. The other guy too, for the bit we got to see him on screen.
The bit with the duct tape at the beginning and again at the end was quietly horrifying and sad.
That bastard landlord is going to have an EXTRA hell of a time selling the house now, eh?