I was nodding along with you until you randomly inserted homosexuality into the topic.Hitting 40 unmarried does…
Thanks for the somewhat thoughtful and coherent reply. I'll try to keep my response brief, as you went off the rails with the "audacity" bullshit and it was downhill from there.
I have the right to say whatever I want about this celebrity actor who, again, I like very much and admire his work. I recently rewatched "The King of Pigs" and was impressed with his work a second time.
Why is it people say all kinds of things about celebrities, based on their impressions o f the person and no one freaks out until it has to do with their sexuality? SK's homophobic/psycho culture, which idolizes countless K-Poppers and actors who are no doubt gay, while on the other hand being uncomfortable with gay people who are open and honest about who they are, is beyond fucked up, and especially since I am NOT Korean I have no obligation to participate in that destructive insanity.
Thank you also for your summation of the sickness of Korea's fan-psycho, celeb-worship culture. However, you failed to mention how extremely unhealthy it is. Here in the U.S. we have an overblown celeb culture too, but the bizarre practice of pretending you have a relationship with an actor/singer you like, or COULD have if you met them is NOT built into the system and made excuses for, as you do for Korea.
Koreans are just as intelligent as Americans, so I have zero idea where this twisted idea of fan ownership of celebs comes from, but it is a very bad thing, for fans and celebs alike. Actors and singers here do as they please in their personal lives. Their fans aren't pretending to be in relationships with them, and people are happy for them when something happy-making takes place for them.
Our fabulous Taylor Swift, famous the world over, is now in what appears to be a healthy romantic relationship with a famous football player on my favorite pro football team, the Kansas City Chiefs. I am pleased about this because I love Taylor AND the Chiefs, but I won't hang myself if they break up.
As for my gaydar and gaydar in general, you are an, pardon the term, apologist tool. Gaydar, the innate, ephereal energy that passes between two gay people when they meet, or one sees the other, is a real thing. Lots of straight people have gaydar too, and sense when someone is gay. It is a natural, spontaneous energy and has no correlation with the culture/society in which one lives.
Gaydar does not rely on cultural stereotypes, as you suggest. I have met plenty of married men who exhibit zero stereotypical gay behavior or mannerisms, yet I knew instantly they were on my team. And they knew I knew. It simply happens. You don't have to think about it. Again, gaydar doesn't have anything to do with "behaviors."
So again, thanks, I guess, for your long apologia for the Korean public's and entertainment industry's homophobia. You've done your part to contribute to the system of thought that keeps Korea's appalling suicide rate the highest in the developed world, especially among entertainers/celebrities.
The suicide rate among "idols" is a national crisis in my opinion, and nothing remotely effective is being done to address it, other than when one of them hangs themselves or lights up the charcoal and checks out, the industry and the media tell everyone to STFU about it...until the next one.
I believe Kim Wong Dook is gay. I wish he didn't feel it necessary to do what he's doing with this marriage thing. That's my opinion, and bottom line, I really don't care what you think of it.
I hope you can take a step back and realize how incoherent you sound. Praying for you bro 🙏
I am perfectly coherent, and you know it. But pray away, bro! Please ask the Lord to give me strength and patience to deal with obtuse randos on the Internet. Thanks. God bless you, bro!
It's really odd for you to write this as if you know him personally 🤔 there is definitely nothing wrong with…
"I never did say you were wrong or couldn't say that he was gay in my comment either, why are you putting words into my mouth?"
YES, yes, you most certainly did, dear: "...but for you to assume he is and say that his wife and their marriage is almost like a cover-up is honestly a bit disrespectful and out of place." Or, by "disrespectful and out of place" did you mean to say I was "right?" lol
I don't need to put words in your mouth. You put them in your own, as it suits you.
In my OP, I said "I suspected" and "I believe..." and "he sets off my very reliable radar," etc. I never wrote that I KNOW FOR A FACT HE IS GAY BECAUSE I HAVE HAD SEX WITH HIM. I made it clear from the first that it is my opinion, my deduction, and nothing more. YOU are the one who came in preaching that I was "disrespectful and out of place" to draw these conclusions. Again, I made certain not to say I "know" he is gay. Yet, you accuse me of doing so.
Please read the comments you are responding to before hitting "post." Then read your reply a couple more times before hitting "post." That way, you're more likely to make sense and not have to make up more BS to cover your earlier BS.
I don't care if you appreciate my sarcasm and insults. You earned them.
"Now I'm genuinely curious, if you think I'm such a naive person in assuming that he's straight, and to not think that other guys/celebrities are straight, should I just believe that they're all gay then? And if that's not the case, please explain."'
This is just more incoherent writing. What do you mean "...to not think that other guys/celebrities are straight..." I did not reference any other specific celebrity, nor did I imply that ALL male celebs are gay, so what the hell are you talking about? lol I specifically used the phrase "...a LOT of Korean actors." A "LOT" does not equal "ALL," so why are you asking me if you should believe all Korean actors are gay? Go ask someone who actually, you know, said that they were.
I discovered Jung Woo Sung only about 18 months ago in Beasts Clawing At Straws, in which he is phenomenal, as well as incredibly hot. So great to watch him here, 25 years earlier, and see all the the talent at a much earlier, more raw stage. He's excellent. And he's hotter now than he was then.
But anyway, this is a great film. Funny, touching, charming, brutal at times, frustrating, rewarding, all the good stuff. These guys are so in love with each other, in the best possible way two straight guys could be. I did occasionally wonder why it never occurred to either, given the desperation of their financial situations, how much money they could make FAST as hustlers serving a gay clientele. Hey, it wouldn't have to be forever! :D
Lee Jung Jae is just as gorgeous in his way here as JWS, but it's the acting of both that makes this such a great watch. No false moments, no half-ass, lazy, approaches here. These guys are totally committed to the roles. Turns out I've also seen LJJ in a couple of flix much later in life. I will have to check his bio for more of his films to add to my PTW list.
Also, I admire this flick for taking its time to appreciate the physical beauty of its male stars, in a way that's generally restricted to slobbering over the female form in feature films. These two lead actors are slobber-worthy and the camera gives them their due, thank you very much.
One weak area for me was the Mimi/Do Chul supposed romance. At first I liked the easy comfort they seemed to have with each other, but that relationship never felt fully realized to me. And I didn't get her anger after Do Chul got rid of his buddy toward the end over you-know-what, and yet she was still needling DC about the guy. What? He just kicked his ass and threw him out. What more do you want? And then her nasty couple of comments made everything she'd appeared to feel before seem false. I was glad when her acting gig went south. No idea, however, why she left the boxing match near the end. Oh well, DC knows who really loves him.
It's really odd for you to write this as if you know him personally 🤔 there is definitely nothing wrong with…
What part of "which in this case I believe to be the case" do you not understand?
Nowhere in my comment did I state or imply that I "know him personally."
You deliberately misinterpreted, then misrepresented my statement, attempting to put words in my mouth which, you know, makes you a liar.
He sets off my very-reliable gaydar and always has, since the first time I saw him in a film. There is absolutely nothing "wrong" with me assuming my reliably accurate gaydar is just as accurate in this case as in any other, and drawing my own conclusions from that. I like it that he's gay.
MILLIONS of closeted gay men around the world, especially in homophobic societies like Korea, are married to women for the express purpose of maintaining a false front. Grow up.
What's wrong here is you claiming there is "nothing wrong with being gay" but then acting as if there is. My assuming he is gay is no different from you, naively, assuming he is straight because you know, he is marrying a woman and NO ONE has ever lied about being straight in that situation.
I don't care what you think is or isn't "respectful or out of place." Curious: Are you Korean?
You are funny.People like you exactly the reason why they are having a private wedding and keeping their information…
You are stupid. I guess you're not familiar enough with English to recognize that my comment is written "tonge-in-cheek." If you want to know what that means, google it.
People like you are exactly the reason why so many Korean celebrities live completely artificial lives, keeping their information false for your comfort because you can't handle the truth. You are only interested in knowing as much as his agency is willing to make up and put out to feed your delusions.
If, instead of a fake wedding, KDW had been caught smoking a joint, people like you would be screaming about how they have the right to know every single thing about his private life, and what a horrible person he is.
You're also the type of person who is responsible for the countless suicides of Korean entertainers/actors/idols, to this day. You lost at least two K-Pop stars just in the last six months of 2023. But I'm sure you're comfortable with that because, well, at least it wasn't THREE, right?
I like Kim Dong Wok. He's on my favorite feature film actors honorable mention list.
Also, I suspect he got married, at 40, as do a LOT of Korean actors, because that is about the age at which the career advantage of being single and thus allowing psycho, Korean female/gay fans to imagine him as their boyfriend, begins to be outweighed by suspicions that he actually IS gay, which in this case I believe to be the case.
There is nothing wrong with being gay. Being gay is great. I am gay. But I hope KDW's "beauty" is in on the plan, and that KDW and whomever is lucky enough to be his boyfriend will be able to continue to have a nice life together going forward, even as this beard-marriage serves its purpose.
"They also revealed that actor Kim Dong Wook married a beauty."
Who writes this shit? Would someone report if "actor Kim Dong Wook had married a horse-face?"
"He also reassured fans that he would do his best to be responsible and show a better performance in his future projects."
This is the typical kind of weird, quasi-apologetic/obsequious/groveling crap that Korean agencies put out and Korean media regurgitates. "Responsible?" Responsible to WHO? For WHAT? Has he been "irresponsible" somehow in the past that we should worry there will be more of that going forward?
"Show a better performance..." Better than WHAT? Better than all the great performances he has already produced? Why should he have to say such a thing?
"Kim Dong Wook got married at the age of 40." How old is the bride? Why does only his age matter? WHO is the bride? Since when does Korean media step back and grant privacy to celebrities just because they say they want it? I mean, it's a good thing he's being granted some privacy, but why do I feel it's only because he kisses the ass of the media and public with statements such as I highlighted above?
As soon as this guy does something interpreted by the Netizens/media as unbecoming of his supposedly privileged status, they will rip him to shreds.
The disturbing and dangerous over-identification of the Korean public with their entertainer/idols continues, despite all the sick/unhealthy/fatal consequences of same that have plagued the country for 30 years or more, especially in the form of celebrity suicides. These actors and singers are workers who owe their employers their best effort in return for what they are paid. They do not owe the Korean general public a damn thing beyond common courtesy and respect, attributes that should go BOTH ways.
got it from here: https://dailynaver.blogspot.com/2023/01/newly-leaked-evidence-confirms-jisoo.html
He's a great actor. You're a dime a dozen Netizen.
If replying to a year-old message is lame, how lame is replying to a reply to a year-old message? Did someone force you to answer me? This is the type of imagined insult used by lame-brains such as yourself who have absolutely nothing left to say that makes sense.
Despite the fine acting of Okada Junichi and the presence of one of my favorite actors, Ayano Go, I'm dropping this about 50 minutes in.
The problem is simple: I have seen the Korean original twice. It is on my top 30 best feature films list. It is excellent in every way, and this Japanese remake is weak by comparison. I have no idea how I would feel about this film if I hadn't seen the Korean original first. Regardless, I'm bored and I'm out.
A Funny, Charming, and Altogether Delightful Little Movie_________________________________________________________________The…
Well hell, I already watched this once and gave it a 9.5/10 but your review has moved me to put it back on my PTW list. Maybe it will move up to a 10/10.
got it from here: https://dailynaver.blogspot.com/2023/01/newly-leaked-evidence-confirms-jisoo.html
The court said "what," exactly? What is "it?"
Korean media and people like you are expert at writing even lengthy articles that actually don't say much at all, except for leaving a general, vague feeling that the person being attacked has done something bad and is a terrible human being.
You did it again in this comment: "admitted to the 'allegations.'" WHAT allegations specifically? The bullying, the sexual assault, or both, or none? You, like the media, don't fully explain.
Words have specific meanings and purpose; you don't get to just toss them around like salad and then say, "there's your proof."
Jisoo issued an obviously bullshit apology at the behest of his agency, in regard to the BS bullying accusations. He then retracted that apology. He has maintained all along that the SA allegations are bullshit, but thanks for trying to make it seem otherwise.
Get a life and stop trashing celebs for not being perfect, as you are not perfect either.
I noticed the last drama and movie I watched show an actor's nude butt: Sweet Home and Marry My Dead Body. I guess…
I'm all for as many nude butt shots as I can get. Marry My Dead Body is hysterically funny and sweet. A lot of Asian films, especially Korean, feature extremely creative and funny cursing and obscenities, so I'm cool with those also. What country is "your own?" I'm American.
No, she's not. Kang han na was main frmale lead on The Empire Lust (2015). She's full nak3d and doing real s3x…
Are you crazy or just dumb? I wrote nothing about penises or vaginas. YOU wrote about them. And why do you keep using special characters to write those words, as if they're dirty and nasty and mommy told you not to say or write them?
I have the right to say whatever I want about this celebrity actor who, again, I like very much and admire his work. I recently rewatched "The King of Pigs" and was impressed with his work a second time.
Why is it people say all kinds of things about celebrities, based on their impressions o f the person and no one freaks out until it has to do with their sexuality? SK's homophobic/psycho culture, which idolizes countless K-Poppers and actors who are no doubt gay, while on the other hand being uncomfortable with gay people who are open and honest about who they are, is beyond fucked up, and especially since I am NOT Korean I have no obligation to participate in that destructive insanity.
Thank you also for your summation of the sickness of Korea's fan-psycho, celeb-worship culture. However, you failed to mention how extremely unhealthy it is. Here in the U.S. we have an overblown celeb culture too, but the bizarre practice of pretending you have a relationship with an actor/singer you like, or COULD have if you met them is NOT built into the system and made excuses for, as you do for Korea.
Koreans are just as intelligent as Americans, so I have zero idea where this twisted idea of fan ownership of celebs comes from, but it is a very bad thing, for fans and celebs alike. Actors and singers here do as they please in their personal lives. Their fans aren't pretending to be in relationships with them, and people are happy for them when something happy-making takes place for them.
Our fabulous Taylor Swift, famous the world over, is now in what appears to be a healthy romantic relationship with a famous football player on my favorite pro football team, the Kansas City Chiefs. I am pleased about this because I love Taylor AND the Chiefs, but I won't hang myself if they break up.
As for my gaydar and gaydar in general, you are an, pardon the term, apologist tool. Gaydar, the innate, ephereal energy that passes between two gay people when they meet, or one sees the other, is a real thing. Lots of straight people have gaydar too, and sense when someone is gay. It is a natural, spontaneous energy and has no correlation with the culture/society in which one lives.
Gaydar does not rely on cultural stereotypes, as you suggest. I have met plenty of married men who exhibit zero stereotypical gay behavior or mannerisms, yet I knew instantly they were on my team. And they knew I knew. It simply happens. You don't have to think about it. Again, gaydar doesn't have anything to do with "behaviors."
So again, thanks, I guess, for your long apologia for the Korean public's and entertainment industry's homophobia. You've done your part to contribute to the system of thought that keeps Korea's appalling suicide rate the highest in the developed world, especially among entertainers/celebrities.
The suicide rate among "idols" is a national crisis in my opinion, and nothing remotely effective is being done to address it, other than when one of them hangs themselves or lights up the charcoal and checks out, the industry and the media tell everyone to STFU about it...until the next one.
I believe Kim Wong Dook is gay. I wish he didn't feel it necessary to do what he's doing with this marriage thing. That's my opinion, and bottom line, I really don't care what you think of it.
YES, yes, you most certainly did, dear: "...but for you to assume he is and say that his wife and their marriage is almost like a cover-up is honestly a bit disrespectful and out of place." Or, by "disrespectful and out of place" did you mean to say I was "right?" lol
I don't need to put words in your mouth. You put them in your own, as it suits you.
In my OP, I said "I suspected" and "I believe..." and "he sets off my very reliable radar," etc. I never wrote that I KNOW FOR A FACT HE IS GAY BECAUSE I HAVE HAD SEX WITH HIM. I made it clear from the first that it is my opinion, my deduction, and nothing more. YOU are the one who came in preaching that I was "disrespectful and out of place" to draw these conclusions. Again, I made certain not to say I "know" he is gay. Yet, you accuse me of doing so.
Please read the comments you are responding to before hitting "post." Then read your reply a couple more times before hitting "post." That way, you're more likely to make sense and not have to make up more BS to cover your earlier BS.
I don't care if you appreciate my sarcasm and insults. You earned them.
"Now I'm genuinely curious, if you think I'm such a naive person in assuming that he's straight, and to not think that other guys/celebrities are straight, should I just believe that they're all gay then? And if that's not the case, please explain."'
This is just more incoherent writing. What do you mean "...to not think that other guys/celebrities are straight..." I did not reference any other specific celebrity, nor did I imply that ALL male celebs are gay, so what the hell are you talking about? lol I specifically used the phrase "...a LOT of Korean actors." A "LOT" does not equal "ALL," so why are you asking me if you should believe all Korean actors are gay? Go ask someone who actually, you know, said that they were.
You're a hoot.
I discovered Jung Woo Sung only about 18 months ago in Beasts Clawing At Straws, in which he is phenomenal, as well as incredibly hot. So great to watch him here, 25 years earlier, and see all the the talent at a much earlier, more raw stage. He's excellent. And he's hotter now than he was then.
But anyway, this is a great film. Funny, touching, charming, brutal at times, frustrating, rewarding, all the good stuff. These guys are so in love with each other, in the best possible way two straight guys could be. I did occasionally wonder why it never occurred to either, given the desperation of their financial situations, how much money they could make FAST as hustlers serving a gay clientele. Hey, it wouldn't have to be forever! :D
Lee Jung Jae is just as gorgeous in his way here as JWS, but it's the acting of both that makes this such a great watch. No false moments, no half-ass, lazy, approaches here. These guys are totally committed to the roles. Turns out I've also seen LJJ in a couple of flix much later in life. I will have to check his bio for more of his films to add to my PTW list.
Also, I admire this flick for taking its time to appreciate the physical beauty of its male stars, in a way that's generally restricted to slobbering over the female form in feature films. These two lead actors are slobber-worthy and the camera gives them their due, thank you very much.
One weak area for me was the Mimi/Do Chul supposed romance. At first I liked the easy comfort they seemed to have with each other, but that relationship never felt fully realized to me. And I didn't get her anger after Do Chul got rid of his buddy toward the end over you-know-what, and yet she was still needling DC about the guy. What? He just kicked his ass and threw him out. What more do you want? And then her nasty couple of comments made everything she'd appeared to feel before seem false. I was glad when her acting gig went south. No idea, however, why she left the boxing match near the end. Oh well, DC knows who really loves him.
Highly recommended.
9.5/10
Nowhere in my comment did I state or imply that I "know him personally."
You deliberately misinterpreted, then misrepresented my statement, attempting to put words in my mouth which, you know, makes you a liar.
He sets off my very-reliable gaydar and always has, since the first time I saw him in a film. There is absolutely nothing "wrong" with me assuming my reliably accurate gaydar is just as accurate in this case as in any other, and drawing my own conclusions from that. I like it that he's gay.
MILLIONS of closeted gay men around the world, especially in homophobic societies like Korea, are married to women for the express purpose of maintaining a false front. Grow up.
What's wrong here is you claiming there is "nothing wrong with being gay" but then acting as if there is. My assuming he is gay is no different from you, naively, assuming he is straight because you know, he is marrying a woman and NO ONE has ever lied about being straight in that situation.
I don't care what you think is or isn't "respectful or out of place."
Curious: Are you Korean?
People like you are exactly the reason why so many Korean celebrities live completely artificial lives, keeping their information false for your comfort because you can't handle the truth. You are only interested in knowing as much as his agency is willing to make up and put out to feed your delusions.
If, instead of a fake wedding, KDW had been caught smoking a joint, people like you would be screaming about how they have the right to know every single thing about his private life, and what a horrible person he is.
You're also the type of person who is responsible for the countless suicides of Korean entertainers/actors/idols, to this day. You lost at least two K-Pop stars just in the last six months of 2023. But I'm sure you're comfortable with that because, well, at least it wasn't THREE, right?
I take it you're the type of Korean I write about in the comment below, IF you're serious about pretending to be so naive.
Also, I suspect he got married, at 40, as do a LOT of Korean actors, because that is about the age at which the career advantage of being single and thus allowing psycho, Korean female/gay fans to imagine him as their boyfriend, begins to be outweighed by suspicions that he actually IS gay, which in this case I believe to be the case.
There is nothing wrong with being gay. Being gay is great. I am gay. But I hope KDW's "beauty" is in on the plan, and that KDW and whomever is lucky enough to be his boyfriend will be able to continue to have a nice life together going forward, even as this beard-marriage serves its purpose.
Who writes this shit? Would someone report if "actor Kim Dong Wook had married a horse-face?"
"He also reassured fans that he would do his best to be responsible and show a better performance in his future projects."
This is the typical kind of weird, quasi-apologetic/obsequious/groveling crap that Korean agencies put out and Korean media regurgitates. "Responsible?" Responsible to WHO? For WHAT? Has he been "irresponsible" somehow in the past that we should worry there will be more of that going forward?
"Show a better performance..." Better than WHAT? Better than all the great performances he has already produced? Why should he have to say such a thing?
"Kim Dong Wook got married at the age of 40." How old is the bride? Why does only his age matter? WHO is the bride? Since when does Korean media step back and grant privacy to celebrities just because they say they want it? I mean, it's a good thing he's being granted some privacy, but why do I feel it's only because he kisses the ass of the media and public with statements such as I highlighted above?
As soon as this guy does something interpreted by the Netizens/media as unbecoming of his supposedly privileged status, they will rip him to shreds.
The disturbing and dangerous over-identification of the Korean public with their entertainer/idols continues, despite all the sick/unhealthy/fatal consequences of same that have plagued the country for 30 years or more, especially in the form of celebrity suicides. These actors and singers are workers who owe their employers their best effort in return for what they are paid. They do not owe the Korean general public a damn thing beyond common courtesy and respect, attributes that should go BOTH ways.
If replying to a year-old message is lame, how lame is replying to a reply to a year-old message? Did someone force you to answer me? This is the type of imagined insult used by lame-brains such as yourself who have absolutely nothing left to say that makes sense.
Twit.
The problem is simple: I have seen the Korean original twice. It is on my top 30 best feature films list. It is excellent in every way, and this Japanese remake is weak by comparison. I have no idea how I would feel about this film if I hadn't seen the Korean original first. Regardless, I'm bored and I'm out.
Korean media and people like you are expert at writing even lengthy articles that actually don't say much at all, except for leaving a general, vague feeling that the person being attacked has done something bad and is a terrible human being.
You did it again in this comment: "admitted to the 'allegations.'" WHAT allegations specifically? The bullying, the sexual assault, or both, or none? You, like the media, don't fully explain.
Words have specific meanings and purpose; you don't get to just toss them around like salad and then say, "there's your proof."
Jisoo issued an obviously bullshit apology at the behest of his agency, in regard to the BS bullying accusations. He then retracted that apology. He has maintained all along that the SA allegations are bullshit, but thanks for trying to make it seem otherwise.
Get a life and stop trashing celebs for not being perfect, as you are not perfect either.
Marry My Dead Body is hysterically funny and sweet.
A lot of Asian films, especially Korean, feature extremely creative and funny cursing and obscenities, so I'm cool with those also.
What country is "your own?" I'm American.