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I am not able to "shut my brain," as I guess, you are able to do. I have zero interest in watching films or any other forms of entertainment that do not make some kind of sense. The most annoying is when all it would take is more time in the writing room to fix the freaking plot holes. This director thinks his shit doesn't stink so he's become lazy.

Also, there are hundreds of movies of all kinds without plot holes. This movie has TONS of them. I guess that's part of this director's excellence, am I right? :D

How did the dead son's mom find out who crippled him?
How did she find out where the collector lived?
How did she find out all the details of his background, right to his childhood?
Did she hire a private eye?
How does crippling people so they can't work help get your money back?
Where did she take acting lessons so she could so effectively fool the collector?
How did she get her real son's dead body from the refrigerator in a slum in the middle of Seoul to a secluded riverbank?
How did she dig six feet down to bury her real son's body in the sweater?
Why was the soil around the tree undisturbed?
Why did she jerk off the collector? She certainly didn't need to do that. Was she turned on by him? Didn't seem to be.
Why did the collector fall asleep in the dead son's wheelchair? If she drugged him, I missed it.
How did she know exactly when he would return to her dead son's place?
Why did the chicken the collector had killed and plucked look so pristine, as if it came right out of the refrigerated poultry section of a supermarket?
How was there so much blood and guts in the collector's body that he left a miles-long blood streak from the popcorn-seller's little greenhouse hovel all the way downtown?
Why did the mom die from a two-story fall in which her head hit only grass and soil?
Why didn't the collector go upstairs where the mom fell and kill or maim the people who he thought pushed her? He didn't even look up.
How did the sweater the mom knitted and put on the son she buried go from filthy dirty in the ground to nice and clean when the collector showed up in it at the armless couple's little hut?
I could go on and on...

THIS obscenity, Brainiac: "Present a solution. If you can’t, F**K OFF." Do you throw that sort of thing around so often you don't even know you're doing it? Was the spittle flying so fast during your tantrum that you lost consciousness and wrote while in a black out?

Like I said, one more and you're reported along with a copy of your comment.

Wow, I don't get the praise for this movie here, elsewhere, nor why it won so many awards. Great acting across the board but in service of a lame story absolutely riddled with plot holes. I guess people at Cannes, Berlin, and Venice don't care about their stories making sense. And I find directors who are so into themselves they think their story shouldn't have to make sense in the first place annoying. We're supposed to overlook all the holes and improbabilities because the core meaning is so fantastically powerful and moving, I suppose. Not me. If you present a plot that takes place in the real world as we know it, then you're obligated to follow the rules of existence as it is in that world.

I was into this at first but the plot twist/reveal came WAY to early, at which point all the tension drained out of the film and it became a very basic thriller whose ending we knew in advance.

I'll list all the things Kim Ki Duk f**ked up on behind the spoiler button below:

I kind of doubt you have friends.

Once again with the putting words in my mouth. I never said they aren't friends. I never said they hate each other. What I said but you want to pretend not to understand (or maybe you don't) is there is no way to know whether they are "friends" IRL or not from these marketing videos. They are artificial by their nature.

I'm not "going around" forcing" anything on anyone. I'm commenting on a thread under a show, like any other normal, non-hysterical, non-invested BL viewer might do. Why are you going around this thread forcing YOUR opinion on others?

Wow, Your hostility certainly does seem like something a person who is willing to "agree to disagree" would be feeling. But hey, you do you!

Consider not using the lame term "triggering" to describe simple, strongly stated expressions of opinion.

Consider not putting words in my mouth. Not once did I state or imply that these guys "hate each other." That's something YOU are projecting onto my comments. Jesus.

"simple-minded" generally = "intellectually disabled." Why are you offended by what I wrote? Do you think intellectually disabled people are somehow beneath you? That it's rude to acknowledge a disability? Do you think brain-damaged people are less than you? Those are your hang-ups, not mine. "Intellectually disabled" is a diagnosis, not an insult.

From the Cambridge dictionary:
sim·ple·mind·ed
ADJECTIVE
simple-minded (adjective)
having VERY LITTLE INTELLIGENCE or judgment:
"simpleminded theories" · "he is a simpleminded minion"

smh

Is that in the dictionary? Any suspect, likely fake interactions recorded for the purposes of publicity is my definition of "fan service." Just the fact of the camera being there changes what takes place in front of it or, as with the Kardashians, makes one wonder if what's being recorded would take place at all without a camera present. This isn't rocket science.

Where did I say anyone was "unaware? I didn't.
Wow, the degree to which you're threatened by a comment you disagree with is telling. "Elevate myself." lol "Shaming people..." lol Such originality of phrasing! Who do you think you are to "shame" me for having an opinion you don't like? Good god. I don't apologize for using my brain and, you know, thinking. Try it.
"Blaming and shaming" again. So lame. I'm not trying to provide solutions in the Thai BL industry for god's sake. They can and will do what they want. But I do have the right to express an opinion about what they do, even if it's one you don't hold yourself.

"Present a solution. If you can't, fuck off." You are seriously out of whack. Such abusive language when I haven't used the same in my comments. You are aggressively attacking me for expressing the widely-held belief that these type of videos are inauthentic and for marketing purposes. One might even think you are telling me to STFU. Get a grip. Get a life. And one more obscenity directed my way will get you reported to the mods. In the words of Taylor Swift, "you need to calm down."

I'm plenty relaxed, thanks. I hope you are too.

"not everything needs to be under a microscope." EXACTLY. So why are they recording their supposedly "private" friendship activities and posting the videos to the Internet? Why don't they just hang out without benefit of phones or cameras? For publicity purposes, is the answer. And anything filmed for publicity purposes is suspect.

BTW, are there any young women hanging out with the guys in these videos? If not, I wonder why that would be... Please let me know, as I have no plans to partake of these totally real, just-friends, recordings. Thanks!

It's possible to ask these questions and remain very "relaxed," by the way.

How do you know that "no one" makes inaccurate assumptions based on these videos? You don't.

Of course they do. Or maybe they're not really friends at all. Who knows? The fact they are recording their activities however, leads one to wonder how much of what goes on in front of the camera is authentic. As I said above though, I'm not trying to stop anyone who enjoys this stuff from doing so. Go right ahead. I'm merely expressing my view on the matter.

No misinterpretation h ere. I know Krist claims to be straight and they aren't hanging out as lovers. It is simply my opinion that people who films their supposedly friendly interactions over a prolonged period for a camera, such as the horrible Kardashian family here in the U.S., are not to be taken as authentically what they are presenting themselves to be. If they're good friends and want to hang out, why the camera? Why the posting to the Internet? For marketing purposes, that's why.

I'm surprised you're even responding to what I wrote. It's been common knowledge for a long time that these fan service videos are BS. I'm not saying Krist and Fluke hate each other, just that filmed "private" interactions aren't "real." I'm also aware that MANY BL actors, especially from Thailand, do the same thing. They too are performing as a means of publicity. And it works. People such as yourself eat it up. Which is find, great, go ahead. Enjoy.

Thank you, GG! I will check it out.

Yeah, well, it sounds like a lot of "people," such as the three commenters above my comment, are unaware of your assertion and take these "entertainment" videos as reflections of reality and actual relationships between actors.

Also, could you explain how you "enjoy" watching videos of activities which are entirely manufactured, but obviously designed to be received as real? Seems like a brainless, gullible watch to me.

By all means, "enjoy" all you want, but don't expect others not to comment on how ridiculous the whole thing is. Plus, there is the ongoing problem of fan service videos sparking rumors of actor vs. actor feuds or worse, damaging careers with unintended consequences.

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Do you regard PR-generated marketing/ship videos to be actual, real life? You don't think maybe they're just a tiny bit set up and staged by the marketing department and that the actors are obligated to appear in them as part of their contracts?

Or maybe it's just me...

At this point, I'm 90% watching for Fluke, 10% for Krist. The story is just another typical Thai BL plot with a time-travel element thrown in, but Fluke is charismatic and hot, and Krist is semi-amusing in this part. However, the way he's playing it, the story is easier to buy if I look at Kawi as intellectually disabled.

Pear: "Maybe you should try thinking MORE." Thank you, Pear! I've been waiting for someone to say that in a BL beginning with the first of the 10,457 times I've heard a person say "Don't overthink it" or "Don't think too much" in a Thai BL.

Like the way Fluke shifts his shoulders when he walks. Oh, and that scene where he was walking away from Krist after the scene on the grass and the green-screen background was so obviously fake was very strange. His walking speed was out of sync with the speed of the camera, so it came off as if he were floating or something...lol

I don't get why so many commenters are blaming Souta for everything. How many chances has Mahiro had to speak up and be forthright but didn't do so? Even in ep. 10 he sits across from Souta, says he's come to tell him something, and then lies through his teeth, implying that he is NO LONGER in love with Souta when we all know he very much is so.

You could have written this little monologue for half the characters in the many lame, triple/quadruple-misunderstanding-based BLs out there. :) But I don't get why so many commenters are blaming Souta for everything. How many chances has Mahiro had to speak up and be forthright but didn't do so? Even in ep. 10 he sits across from Souta, says he's come to tell him something, and then lies through his teeth, implying that he is NO LONGER in love with Souta when we all know he very much is so.