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Stupidity reveals itself in so many ways. Thanks.

Thanks for your understanding and considerate comment. You don't owe me an apology though I appreciate the thought. I'm not that delicate, as you can probably tell from my comment. :) The statement you referenced in your reply IS the one that annoyed me the most though.

I think Souta was pretty damn brave to ask for a kiss from Mahiro, actually, given that to this point he has thought of himself as straight. It's curious people in comments here don't seem to get that. Mahiro reacted like a Vestal Virgin who had never been kissed before, and I think we know that is not the case.

I think maybe everyone thinks Mahiro is little and cute and thus without flaws. lol

lol. Look in a mirror.

You must be a straight female, am I right? Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's clear from your remarks you have zero concept of the struggle to accept oneself as a gay male in a intensely homophobic society such as Japan. Souta is facing an existential crisis for which you apparently have no empathy or appreciation. OF COURSE he "should" do what you wrote. But he doesn't exist or act in a vacuum. His choices and actions at this time will determine the course of his life. Have you operated under that kind of pressure? If you have, have you done everything just right at the time? If so I applaud you and ask that you remember how rare your kind of perfection is.

Now that I think about it, Mahiro is the one who has supposedly been "out" for some time. He even has an ex-boyfriend from a previous relationship. That being the case, why is he being so timid and warm/cold, off/on about this situation? He should be taking the lead, understanding how confounding and scary this situation is for Souta. Instead he's been a pouty, little b***h.

This is all just bad writing though, as almost nobody's actions make sense or are at all consistent, even the dumb girl. She knew what she was inserting herself into and did it anyway, in an aggressive manner not believable in light of her portrayal of the character as mousey and timid.

I just don't get the sympathy for Mahiro, given his out-ness and his history. He's dealt with this type of thing before, but you'd never know it from his actions. I think people make exceptions for him as they perceive him as a weak, delicate little bottom-soul who's at the mercy of the tall, mean, potential-top Souta. :D

SHE pulled HIM in. Please...she threw herself at him at every opportunity, begging to be his girlfriend. So many commenters here blaming Souta entirely for this mess is so weird. The chubby-cheeks kid has had MULTIPLE opportunities to make things clear, and he muddies the waters and backs off every time. He had a chance at a kiss from the guy he's crushed on for years and he turns it down, demanding love and a marriage proposal before he'll allow such a thing. Honestly, Souta's confused reactions regarding that awful girl and the kid are entirely understandable.

hahaha. Great minds... :)
"Neurologically diverse," sorry. :D I guess we've moved on from retarded to intellectually-disabled to neurologically diverse. I forgot.

Anyway, it's funny that we both caught that but most people think YC is just "innocent." lol

Thing is, he WASN'T crying, just squinting. The actor couldn't' come up with any real tears. I know, I"m a big ol' bitch. Also, that is one of several moments in 5&6 during which YC seemed mentally disabled or Autistic. His stammering and seeming lack of comprehension goes overboard in some scenes.

lol Thank you! I've been commenting, mostly in jest, as to whether someone dropped YC on his head as a baby or he had a high fever and was brain damaged, thus accounting for the edge of retardation the actor brings to the character in some scenes. He seems confused, as though he can't read emotional cues, stuff like that but no one here wants to hear it. I don't think his retardation is a plot point, just poor direction and over-acting.

How do you know that? Also, lighten up. To me, the actor is at times over-playing the dumb, innocent farmer to the point that he seems dim-witted. If you disagree, that's fine.

Lighten up. My point is the actor is overplaying the innocent-country-boy thing in some scenes and Ye Chan comes off as not all there. Also, it makes no difference whatsoever what happens in the Manhwa. The adaptation does not have to follow the Manhwa word-for-word, scene-for-scene. Like any other adaptation this show is BASED on an original source; the makers are free to change whatever they want.

Ye Chan knew exactly what he was doing, rolling those shirtsleeves up to show off his arms and shoulders. Good God, he looked like a Greek statue up there picking apples. I would love to see that man in a tuxedo. Either that, or naked. Or both, alternately.

It would add some depth to the story if we were to learn what sort of incident it was that left Ye Chan intellectually disabled. Car crash? High fever as a baby? Dropped on his head?

Trope City and cliche, lame writing but the leads are so appealing, alone and together, that it doesn't really matter. These two were perfectly cast: One fine-featured and pretty but masculine, the other strong-featured, handsome and masculine. One ivory-skinned, the other sun-kissed. Their personalities/vibes make for remarkable chemistry and if a show has that, most of its work is done, at least in BL World.

How many dream sequences does that make in BL history, 5,273? Also, so happy to see a good old-fashioned boner joke in a BL! It felt like the old days of Make It Right's raunchy humor. :)

Thanks!

where did you find 5 & 6 subbed?

The actor's nose job is IN the series and therefore relevant. Who asked for your opinion anyway? If you're so far above noticing and discussing an actor's very noticeable nose job, why don't you go discuss his acting skills with someone who wants to talk about that, Poica?

Only semi-coherent screenplay Kim Ki-Duk ever wrote.

I'll go with my "intellectually disabled" perspective.
As I wrote, it's the WAY HE IS PLAYING "zero social skills" that makes him seem disabled at times. There are an endless number of approaches an actor could take to this role; Krist went with mentally challenged. You seem to like his approach. I don't. So?

Besides, I said he was "semi-amusing." What is your objection actually?

Also, his character clearly has a good number of functional social skills. He interacts with people quite well most of the time. It's only when he's under pressure or confused or frustrated that his brain misfires.

Potentially strong plot/story ruined by weak/lazy writing and plot holes. I hate when that happens as there is no excuse for it and it's completely avoidable. The number of movies wrecked by this sort of thing is legion. If a director doesn't care enough to present a coherent tale, or is more interested in symbolism/meanings/blah blah, then they shouldn't use a narrative structure to begin with.

There are too many holes and implausibles to list here so I won't. To viewers who either didn't notice or don't care, enjoy. But I can't. Bad writing pulls me out of the story every time.

Good acting, which is too bad, given it's in service of a weak script.

Murakami Nijiro may have the most beautiful eyelashes in all of Japan.

5/10

Your guess is spot-on. It could have been super-fascinating, but the big reveal came already just past the half-way mark so all the suspense was gone. I was caught by surprise, which I like, but then after that the remainder of the film is when the plot holes and stupidities started really piling up. Did you read my list of them under the spoiler tag above? I've thought of a couple more since writing that.

Same to you. Enjoyed the chat. Thank you for the condolences. My mom was quite elderly but without Covid would probably have lasted a few more years. I got Covid myself last December. For three weeks I could barely move. The most notable symptom to me was how it drained me of all energy. It was exhausting to lay in bed and watch television, let alone get up to use the restroom. Sometimes I crawled. I took two months for me to feel back up to 100%.

lol I'm going to politely propose that during those times you think you've turned off your brain to enjoy one of this guy's films, your brain is actually working at full capacity to ignore and rationalize all the lazy writing and plot holes.

Yes, I do think he should "fix everything" when he's writing the screenplay. You don't start filming until the script is solid. But maybe KKD's schtick is to film while he's still writing and do it all on the fly, I don't know. It certainly feels like that could be the case.

I've never looked over his entire list of writing credits. Below are the films of KKD's I've seen:

Writer/Director:
The Net (this is on my top 30 best feature films list)
Address Unknown (Meh...)
The Coast Guard (a few plot holes but I liked it)
Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter... and Spring (pretentious mess)
Breath (lots of good stuff, especially ML, but lots of stupid stuff too)
Moebius (pretentious garbage)
One On One (on my plan-to-watch list)
Human, Space, Time and human (omg...lol)

Writer:
Red Family (another one, like "Pieta, that started strong and became a mess)
Rough Play (artsy-fartsy dumpster fire)
Rough Cut (on my plan-to-watch list)

Actually, now I'm curious to give a few more of his films a watch. I can always stop watching if I see another train wreck coming. But I consider "The Net" one of my favorite movies. I've watched twice and liked it more the second time. I'll have to give it a third watch sometime and see if there are plot holes I ignored. lol

It remains hilarious to me that Pieta won so many awards. Maybe KKD had a fantastic marketing/PR team behind it. Many awards-giving organizations are HIGHLY political and subject to marketing pressure. The last flick to win a Best Picture Oscar was Everything Everywhere All At Once, which was another pretentious mess.

Anyway, sorry to see KKD passed from Covid in 2020. Too young. I lost my mom to that shit too.