JohnGotti

Hmmmm?? Interesting point..

I still liked it too! But, it would've been nice had Waii's character apologized that next day when Apo brought it up.

Hi Liz, like Synchonicity, I agree with your list except one. Waterboyy (The Movie) was ok, but Waterboyy (The Series) did have one episode of sexual aggression when Waii assaulted Apo in their bedroom. It was handled very lightly in the series, which was one point I had against the series. I, too, haven't seen I Found Love at 7-11. I guess I need to check it out.

I agree.

Wow Not a Robot! Your response was very insightful. Thanks for the comments! I agree with you about the dynamics of the type of sexual violence, as well as, various stigmas faced by the gay community in the US. However, what I am unsure about is whether "the series itself" or those posting comments actually allowed for the discussion you mentioned. But, in any case, I strongly agree with you that any discussions (wherever or however it derives) about this important subject, is a really good thing for the LBGTQ+ community.

Hey Synchonicity! I'm right there with you! Thanks for reminding me about the medicine part! I'd forgot about that. It also had me rolling my eyes and LMAO.

I'm in agreement with most of the folks posting here. By this I mean, I loved the acting, the flow and pace of the series, and the way Gulf and Mew pulled off their respective characters. However like others, I also thought that the series had some serious flaws, especially in the handling of the sexual harassment and sexual violence issues littered throughout the series. I think the problem with the series was not the actors but the story itself. I think it made too light the seriousness of the many sexual and sexuality issues that were in the series. At times, it went beyond the normal tropes to the point that it would be impossible to believe this show, unless you completely disregarded half of what you were being told in the series. Although there is a happy ending with the title characters, it still didn't make the journey through the series worth it, especially if you're in any way relating it to the lives of people in the LGBTQ+ community. A few twerks to the story would have made the storyline soooo much better.
Long story short. This was a really, really good series, based on a really, really bad storyline.

OK. I was willing to revise my original thought about the character of Dean "pressuring" Pharm for sex. I thought, maybe, I was off-base. BUT, after watching Ep. 15, I go back to my original thought of the character of Dean. I'm not sure if it is the way the director interpreted the scene from the BL novel (and I'm not sure what the author really had in mind), but this scene was a bit much (in my opinion). We knew Dean and Pharm was going to have sex, as it was blatantly inferred to in Ep. 14. However, I got the impression that it was "thrown" in there just to "jump start" the final episodes. As it appeared, like many others have commented, the episodes did seem "to be dragging on." I thought there was nothing romantic about the scene. It appeared, again, that Dean was simply wanting sex from Pharm, and we didn't get any sense that the same was felt by Pharm. Yes, they love each other, we get it. But, Pharm never really agreed to have sex with Dean, nor did it seem as if he had any choice in the matter. Again, this scene goes directly against a previous scene, in which Dean attempted to "put the moves" on Pharm, Pharm stopped him, and made Dean promise "not to do something like that again." BOY, that didn't last! Why does Dean get to singularly decide this important phase of their relationship, without at least discussing it with Pharm. AND, the "revealed" cousin next door, P'Sin, who apparently KNEW of Dean's intentions, yet only was there for Pharm in case something went wrong! What kind of family dynamic is that! This may be classic BL drama trope. But, again both the author and the director missed a good opportunity to make the characters a little more believable and a little less tropish.
But, I still like the series, ALOT! And, I agree with others that the acting, and visual depictions of Thailand are great. I especially like to the whole reincarnation of Korn/In into Dean/Pharm storyline. It is most intriguing, and becoming more intriguing as we discover all the various connections between Korn/In's previous lives, and Dean/Pharm's present lives.

All good points! Thanks!

I stand corrected. In MY country and culture, it would be an "assault," maybe not so much so in other countries and cultures. Apologies for my ignorance.

OK. I agree that "Love can blossom, even after the flaws of both."

OMG!!! Did not know about this tragedy in Thailand! Our news has been focused on the coronovirus. It's so sad that happened. Prayers go out the victims and their families...

Point well taken. Thanks for the perspective.

OK. I know I'm going to get a few "hater" posts. But, that's alright. I really liked Ep. 14 up until the part where P'Dean basically tells N'Pharm that "he's no longer going to wait for him." I presume this reference is telling Pharm and the viewing audience that Dean wants "sex" from Pharm and he's "going give Pharm (7) days to prepare himself." Now, I see the series taking on a more "tropish" style near the end. In an earlier episode, Dean wanted to take "liberties" with Pharm -- Pharm rebuked him, and Dean "promised" to not do anything like that before. I guess a few more episodes passes and the "gloves are off," to coin a phrase. When you put in the perspective of Dean constantly wanting "rewards" from Pharm, It seems that Dean is pressuring Pharm for sex, regardless of how Pharm feels about. Once again, this may be fairly close to what occurs in many relationships (gay or non-gay). BUT IT IS STILL NOT COOL! This behavior has made me look differently at Dean to the point I no longer like his character as well as I did in earlier episodes. Because, it seems that it is no longer a question of love, but a question of sex, like an old pervert "grooming" his/her younger victim.

I agree with everything you posted. It was insightful, and obviously took a lot thought. I too, have read a lot of BL novels, and see the trope displayed just as you stated. However, I still believe that THIS author (or at the very least, the director) could have made the same point without having Tharn assault Type while he was sleeping simply to show a point. And, there should be no doubt that Type was assaulted.

WoW! My sentiments as well. But, I can still Liz's point, even if I don't agree with it.

OK. I can see your point. Thanks for the clarification. But, I still think that you can have really good BL drama without all those tropes, especially the trope concerning rape, sexual assault, etc. It's time for the writers and producers to get past that. Do you agree?

I hear ya and totally agree!

I totally agree that Type was NOT a good person, when dealing with Tharn. I also agree with you that everything "after" the sleep episode was mutual. However, what Tharn did to Type while he was sleeping was NOT mutual, and as big of a jerk that Type was in those early episodes, no one deserves to have anything like that happen to them while their sleeping, or knocked out or unconscious from being drunk. That is still not ok in my book.

Point well taken!