JohnGotti

Okay folks. It might be time to give this argument (excuse me, discussion) a break. Using Google or Siri or whatever search engine you're using doesn't make anyone without professional training in clinical therapy, psychology, psychiatry or mental health an expert on Stockholm. I keep smh as to why this is sooo polarizing???

LMBO!!!! Luv'd it!!!

1. Yes, the show is toxic. So wtf! A lot of BLs are toxic, so are alot of non-BLs. As you pointed out. It's about the mafia -- doing toxic shit is kinda what they do, isn't it?

2. No, it's not 50% porn. It's more like 10% - 15%. Although, some probably wishes it were more!

3. Yes, IMO, the plot "sucked." But, I'm not a screenwriter, so wtf do I know.

4. SMH on this one???

5. Both KP and VP relationships are f'ked up. OK. But, so are about 20% of the relationships of couples worldwide. You want to get in line?

6. Finally, it's just a tv show! It's entertainment! It's BL fantasy! Don't believe me. Let's see:
a) There are two Mafia families with lgbtq+ sons running the organizations
b) There are bodyguards (mafia soldiers) who are "all" handsome, young, fit and look
like they stepped out of GQ magazine and
c) There are pockets of hot sex scenes ranging from hetero sex in the beginning, to wild
gay sex, to even a few hints of kinky sex and bdsm at the end. Need I say more??

c)

Totally agree with you! Waayyy too many problematic scenes played for fan service , I guess. I have noooo problem with folks having these types of tastes (it's their right). But, quoting Walt Whitman (famous American poet, essayist, and author), "because you have the right to do it, doesn't make it right to do it." You kind of paraphrased him. All the things you stated as "problematic" are, IMO, is problematic and socially wrong, whether it's in "real life" or in "fiction," such as in a BL drama.

But, what I find really interesting is how soooo many folks seem to NOT have issues with the problematic scenes. Hmmm???

Thai BLs appear to be getting much more "mature." They've come along way since the "blue shorts" and high school/uni days. Sex and violence sells! Oh well, C'est la vie!

The last ep. was choppy at best and with a holey plot at worst. But, overall, still a pretty good series.

I'm not sure how I feel about KinnPorsche??? I still think parts of the series was well done, while other parts were just a freaking mess! LMBO! But, as I said before, IT"S A TV SHOW, FANTASY, MAKE BELIEVE or whatever else descriptor you want to call it. I guess I save my judgement for when OR IF, we get a season 2.

P.S. I am thoroughly impressed by how well you express your opinions!!!!

Absolutely! Totally agree with you! LMBO

Great! Stay with it. I thought about getting my PhD in Neurobiology. I totally agree with your assessment of interpretation.

I agree with much of your summation. However, like river11, I must respectfully agree to disagree with some of it.

Thank you. Fyi. I was a practicing clinical therapist for several years. I have a PhD is Behavioral and Analytical pschology. I do actually know quite a bit about Stockholm, though I've never worked with someone with it.

Actually, I just thoroughly enjoy this whole discussion about whether Pete is or is not experiencing Stockholm syndrome. IMO, a case could be made either way.

Depressive Mood Disorder. Hmmm? I could agree with that. However, that doesn't necesarily mean that he couldn't be having symptoms of Stockholm. Those people believed to be experiencing Stocholm often exhibit other mental health issues as well.

I agree with you that Vegas/Pete is a "twisted complex" story and " that it's not made for everybody." But. you seem to have strong comments towards any poster that makes the Stockholm reference. I'm curious. What makes you so convinced that it couldn't be Stockholm?

Absolutely true! But, in many cultures "family" is "family," regardless of whether they are blood related or not. However, on the other hand, some cultures have no problem marrying within the family (blood or not). So, I guess you're right. I stand corrected.

That's still kind of gross, though. But, this series has crossed the line many times. What's one more corssing?

Agreed! Pistol whipping works for me!

Now, this was a great ep.! But, IMO, the Vegas/Pete relationship is still really f*cked up! Pete should've shot Vegas in his leg, arm or even his ass, as a little payback...then forgive him, if he wants.

Again, I'm not disputing you. But, Stockholm is still a "phenomenon" amongst psychological disorders. And, since it statistically has only occurred in about 8% of hostage/captor situations, still much is unknown. However, I guess only the author would know if this was part of the story.

I'm not disputing your definition of Stockhol Syndrome, because it is essentially correct. Some professionals would say "defense mechanism" vs coping mechanism. And, no , the two are not the same. However, the bond that developes between captor/victim does not have to be a lengthy time. Some cases reported have occurred when the captor/victim have spent only a short amount of time with each other. One key component in Stockholm is "trauma bonding." Pete and Vegas shared their experiences in which they were beaten by their fathers. That can definitely be a traumatic event. Hence, the "trauma bonding." So, whoever initially brought up Stockholm (it was not I), may not have been too far off.

Exactly! I couldn't agree more.