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I can understand that but I don't necessarily agree. I don't think an explicit apology was necessary there - Judy clearly came to check in on Ba Mhee and to reassure her that everything between them was fine. They'd both been drinking and got swept up in a moment, a mistake was made, but it wasn't something unforgivable imo.

It would feel different to me maybe if it seemed that she showed up to try to get with her or something, but I didn't get that vibe.

Is this my favorite OffGun vehicle to date? Yes I think it is. I am really enjoying this one and Jane is my absolute favorite character, which I did not expect. Normally I'm kind of meh on Off (I did find him charming in Cooking Crush), but I don't know what it is here, he's really shining for me, to the point that I am kind of annoyed that Gun's Ryan is sort of a nothingburger.

As for the others - View is knocking it out of the park. I'm really loving her, but then I tend to love her in whatever so is that really surprising? Nah. Pah is fine, but a bit emotionally immature. Look, I feel for Tae (more on this later), but it isn't his job to take it out on Ma Bhee at their place of work. I know they're young but I get irritated when people let their personal issues mess with the job. It's why office romance shows tend to get on my nerves. I do try to let it go as much as possible but I just find letting pettiness get in the way of someone's job distasteful. Maybe I'm just old.

Now, the Tae and Ma Bhee situation. I'll be frank, I could see this break up coming a mile away, even without the Judy thing. Ma Bhee was putting in all the effort and Tae next to none, and he knows and acknowledges that. It absolutely was not just that couple of days, and pretending it is does a disservice to what the show has been doing with them this entire time. I do not think that Tae doesn't care about Ma Bhee, but I do think that it was easier to let her do the work and so that is what he did, and he never really thought about how it must wear on her to be the only one ever trying. The fact that he wanted to show up for the anniversary is great, but the truth is that just managing one day a year is also pretty shit behavior as a boyfriend. I do like that he knows that he was part of the catalyst for what happened with Judy and for the breakup - it was very mature of him to acknowledge it, tbh.

As for Ma Bhee, she is full on to the point that it can feel smothering, and she obviously wants that kind of devotion returned. I'm not sure Judy will manage that either and Ma Bhee has a bit of growing up to do for sure, but I do get where she was coming from, when she seems to be the one trying the most. She should not have kissed Judy while still seeing Tae, that is messy as hell and not really fair to do to him when she wasn't trying to talk to him either. I've seen this kind of stuff happen often though - there's a certain type of person that does seem to go from relationship to relationship. I think that she idealizes Judy and I kind of do expect a crash there, mostly because no one is as perfect as Ma Bhee wants to think Judy is at this moment. And I think that Judy should not have kissed Ma Bhee back. Judy herself doesn't owe Tae or his relationship with Ma Bhee anything, tbh, but she still shouldn't have done it since Ma Bhee was in a drunk and vulnerable place. Mistakes happen and I'm not crucifying her for it or anything, and I do think that she regretted letting the moment sweep her up too. Honestly I thought that it was all handled in a really believable way. I've seen things go down pretty much like that in my own life. It's painful because it's realer than I think we're used to out of something like this. It sucks that they couldn't communicate properly until it was over, but it also feels true.

I am a little sad I wasn't watching this from day 1 like everyone else, tbh. I really do like it way more than I ever expected to. It's really hitting my sweet spot.

I agree so so much and honestly, for the first time ever I'm finding him great. Not just good or passable, but genuinely great. Let Off do more of this.

What was wrong with Only Friends?

I do have a few issues with fixed pairs, but even worse than that I think it is the typecasting. They not only stick these people with the same pair they then give them a certain dynamic and often refuse to let them deviate from it. It's so limiting. I would be fine with the same couples if they'd just give them a variety of roles to play.

To be fair to TKH it does seem to want to be shaking up the "normal" dynamic between both pairs, but I can already see fans expecting it to be the same as always. Maybe it's us that does it - the need to have the same story fed to us fifty different ways rather than allowing anyone to step outside the dynamic we like to see.

Is this page going to be nonstop fanwarring about which cp is better or more popular? Asking because I usually come here for filming updates but I'm already feeling like I should find somewhere else to go.

I don't see why we have to pit them against each other or fight about who is better or more popular or most loved. The mock trailer looked like a fun time, I think they'll all do well, I'm very excited to see Dunk and First especially be in the more flirty and assertive roles. I will lose my entire mind if Khaotung is playing a sweet himbo. Joong so far looks to be the one playing most like what I am used to seeing from him, but I like that he's supposed to be the older, more jaded brother. I really hope that the final product matches the vibe of the mock trailer because it was a bit chaotic but also looked like a fun time.

I want a rom com. I want to just shut my brain off a little and enjoy all the pretty on my screen. Because I mean. Just look at them all. :D :D

I am loving this, tbh. Yak and Dee are hilarious and I am cracking up at their progression from ONS > FWB > Fake Boyfriends (with benefits).

I honestly don't know if Ter is as slimy as I perceive him (there's a little bit of slime regardless) or if I just look at his face, see Tonhon, and start seething a little.

I like the actors, not sure about the dynamic.

I think it was a solid enough show. The couples were cute enough and I adored Aylin and Ongsa with every fibre of my being, but I do feel like it was a little clunky in how it tried to explore certain issues, like Aylin's whole deal.

I also feel like it suffered a little from being the first full length GL from GMMTV. It seemed clear they didn't want to get too messy or tackle things too hard, lest they put off the audience. Which is a bit sad because I would adore some messy lesbians please (Pluto and Us will hopefully deliver on that front). That said, I want this to be wildly popular so that more GL are made. Because the more that are made, the more variety we'll get. BL didn't start off with a ton of variety either.

It was enjoyable fluff for the most part, and that has its place for sure. Also I'm still chuffed that the little ship that could from Bad Buddy (the only ship I cared about, if I'm honest) spawned Milk and Love an entire GL of their own. Good for them.

Rumour has it they'll be starting workshops soon

>>if P'Jojo can make ForceBook look like a real couple<<

Why did this make me laugh so hard. I don't hate them or anything but I will never get over Enchante and them leaving a lot of room for Jesus between them,

I've said it before, though - Jojo is good at getting good performances out of actors. I have faith that he'll do so again. I'm mostly weirded out by him working with FK again so soon.

This is one of my most anticipated dramas from the part 2 lineup.

Yes. They get worse every time. It's so stupid.

I sort of get it - for a lot of people Not Me was the first intro to OffGun, Puppy Honey or whatever it was doesn't even register.

Not Me was definitely my first OffGun show, but I'm odd in that their chemistry didn't fire for me there. Like, at all. The romance took a backseat to everything else for me, and unlike a lot of other BLs, if I had been watching just for that I would have stopped. Thankfully Not Me was dense with plot, too (not that a BL can't have both but hopefully you know what I mean. I wasn't being held on chemistry). And it was also my first exposure to Gun Atthaphan as an actor and I will be forever grateful about that. He's great.

Now, Cooking Crush? Adorable. I still don't know if I buy into the lauded OffGun thing, but I liked their chemistry in that one much better than Not Me. They seemed way more natural and easy, imo. And I've never ever found Off so charming and attractive as I did in CC, lol.

I don't know if I will watch this one as it airs or not, but if and when I do get around to watching, I hope I can take it as it is. Sometimes I wonder if that's part of the problem with the fixed pair thing - the typecasting into certain roles or dynamics, both by the directors/producers and by the fans. It gets harder and harder to take each new show as it comes when it's the same two faces.

I won't lie, I'd have been in from the second that Wandee made fun of Kao's eyebrows. :D

But also, this was a good first ep. Pod is so pretty and smiles so damn much I just knew Ter would turn out to be kind of assy, lol, and I'm behind Wandee one hundred percent - he's young, he's good looking, and if he's gonna react to Ter's assyness by hopping into bed with someone it should be someone as hot as Yoyak.

Also I approve of leaving The Eclipse on in the background while getting it on, lol.

All in all, a really fun start!

If it helps, I'm entirely sure that this show probably intends to explore and debunk that idea. I definitely didn't get the impression that Dr. Ter was supposed to be right in saying that, or that there really was anything wrong with Wandee even if he is.

I mean yes, that's why I said that I will not bother coming back if people get to be too much? Being an adult doesn't mean I have to put myself though things that annoy me, especially not when it's just a show.

Okay, I want to preface this by saying I was really mad about this myself originally so I totally see where you're coming from. Like, I really, really do.

But at the same time I don't think that the narrative is actually condemning Boston. I know it's tempting to look at it that way because all of these people are acting like Boston is wrong and a lot of it seems to center on how he has sex (and the whole "of course you'd SA someone" thing which...was a lot but is also how a TON of people actually think).

But in the end no one is actually condemning Boston for his lifestyle. Mew isn't not forgiving him because he sleeps around, he's not forgiving him because he methodically went out of his way to sleep with someone that as far as he was aware was taken (imo it's a grey area since Mew asked to go back to the initial stages but also, Boston knew damn well that no one would like what he was doing. He just didn't care at the time because he wanted what he wanted and nothing else mattered) and then doubled down on it. Nick flat out told him to keep on being his fabulous self and to stop trying to fit himself into the mold that Nick wanted. Nick is the type who wants monogamy. Boston is not. And we saw what it looks like when someone tries to be someone they're not with Nick early on. Yes it sucks that Boston couldn't be with him but they just weren't compatible, they'd only wind up hurting each other. They even have my favorite bean Sand telling Nick that there are all kinds of relationships out there.

And I don't see his ending as particularly depressing either. Sure he lost at least Mew as a friend but is that a bad thing, really? When Mew has already said he's the type to carry grudges and bring shit up and he clearly thinks less of Boston due to his lifestyle? He lost Nick but he and Nick are fundamentally different and would not make each other happy anyway since one of them would have been forced into a mold they just didn't fit to be with the other. And as for Chueam and Ray...well I think Chueam actually stays in contact with him and in the novel I've heard Ray and Sand go see him in NYC, but I'm not sure that's a big loss if they don't, either. Neither of them were particularly good friends to him, nor was he to them.

Boston is young and still figuring himself out, too. I think he might not even be aware that he will do best in an open relationship, or if he is, he sure doesn't know how to navigate it yet. Telling Nick "you have to put up with it because this is how I am" is not navigating that sort of lifestyle, it's being a selfish tit. I love Boston but his default mode is "I'm gonna get mine," and he learned the hard way that that burns bridges he might not want burnt. And now he knows better, and I hope he goes to NY and figures out the kind of lifestyle that works for him, WITH communication and consideration on both sides.

It's tempting to think that the show is condoning the way he gets constantly slut shamed, but I think of it more as...presenting a story, and letting people make up their own minds. In the end what bothered me wasn't so much anything that I thought the show was trying to portray as "right" but the way that people reacted to it. And not just with Boston.

I think that the show was just giving us a story. It's up to us how we see it and react to it. I don't really think that anyone was being presented as "right" so much as they were being presented as a bunch of dumb 20-somethings still trying to figure shit out and not always doing it well.

I came to like Ray a lot...but that was in spite of everyone else tbh. People constantly excusing him for everything he ever did wrong and blaming everyone else every time he acted like a little asshole worked my nerves and made me harsher on him than I might otherwise have been. Once I backed away from other people's opinions and rewatched on my own I liked him a lot more.

But that was OF, this is a new show, and I want both of their characters to be different from what they've played before, please. Honestly I feel that part of the problem with having set cps is that they tend to wind up playing the same roles/dynamic over and over again, and I'm not into that. I'd rather have them do something utterly different and fail than do the same old thing every time.

Oh I learned my lesson with Only Friends lol. People start getting dumb and I am out and will just enjoy things on my own (not just here, everywhere was nuts about OF and I felt like I was watching a different show from most).

Jojo is good at pulling performances out of actors, so I'm no that worried. And I always feel like the shows Joong and Dunk were given were kind of crap, even if I had some fun with the shows. I'm optimistic. :D