Thank you for joining in the discussion. I appreciate your views and agree with your added distinction of malice.…
Not low self-control, but rather a learned behavior. We see that from his childhood upbringing. It would be a matter of low self-control if he actually felt his communication tone was wrong and couldn't help himself. But to Luke, nothing is wrong with how he speaks. Because he was raised by a father who spoke to him like that, it became his default language—so he speaks to others the exact same way. It is a deeply ingrained normal for him, not a lack of impulse control. - With that being said - 😂 how in the world did he make it up the corporate ladder and be as successful as he is?
Riiiight! And also LUKE manipulates and formulates his words in a way that makes FLORA feel like she is 100% in…
I do not recall Luke telling her she was wrong for having a support network, nor did he ever suggest she cannot have friends. The only relationships he challenged were specific threats -
The Ex - who came back with the explicit intention of winning her back. The Roommate Sun Yuanzhu - who harbored a massive crush on her. The Fake Dating Profile
Any partner in a committed relationship has every right to find issue with those three specific situations.
The real problem is that while Flora has a physical proximity gauge that Luke is aware of, she is completely emotionally unaware. She is blind to others' feelings, which leaves her lacking proper boundaries.
She lived with a roommate for six years and never realized he had feelings for her?
She is equally oblivious to her own feelings for Luke. When her friend asked if she saw him as a boyfriend or a boss, she couldn't answer. LOL - then a month later had the nerve to mention marriage.
My deduction is that Flora treats Luke less like a boyfriend and more like a boss with benefits.
This is exactly why she never reaches out to him for real emotional support. When she was being evicted, she confided in Lumi, but told Luke she just fell. She views Luke strictly as boss with benefits and Lumi as a friend.
Would Luke feel that intense disconnect? Absolutely. Just as she needs affirmation, Luke needs love. But she never gives him emotional love because she is too busy intentionally keeping her distance. Even when he is visibly in pain, she stands there with her hands in her pockets just watching him. How can your partner be in pain and you just look at them with your hands in your pocket? Luke would have had her in an air taxi on the way to the hospital. So yes, intentions absolutely matter when the other person is actively starving you of emotional security while treating you like a corporate resource - at the same time the results equally matter. If we are claiming that Luke harmed Flora - we can also claim that Flora also harmed Luke.
However my personal opinion is - Luke had no intention of harming Flora or withholding anything from her. While Flora had not intention of harming Luke but had every intention of withholding her heart from him.
on MDL? - ever since people had different opinions.
It stems from difference of opinions. If you agree with they agree with they won't have anything to say. I am sorry to say - this is the new version of MDL. It is hardly ever really about the drama. Its about the actors, what they did or did not do, politics, what one may think is right or wrong. The tone of MDL is not really conversational anymore it often turns in to personal propaganda. 😔 ________ Edit ______ Why it needs to be compared to a historical drama ?- they would compare it to an American TV drama if they could get an argument out of it.
Clarification after reading someone's comment - Has Luke been deceitful and manipulative. At first I said no, but by the definition of the words - I would have to say yes. Here is my reply to that issue -
_____ I will not say that these are not forms of manipulation and/or deceit. By basic definition, they absolutely are.
However, there is a huge difference between malicious, toxic manipulation meant to break someone down, versus Luke tripping over his own tongue.
These are the desperate antics of a man in love who is completely dehydrated of affection. His terror of being vulnerable leads him to make stupid, dishonest decisions, but they are never malicious or meant to harm Flora.
This isn't to excuse Luke's actions or the harsh words he chooses to use. Rather, it is a defense of his intentions. If we cannot see the root of an issue, looking at the surface of the issue makes no sense. My view of that root might simply differ from yours.
I won't discount your statement that these moments are deceitful. My argument is simply that they are not designed to hurt her. If we label every instance of deception a 'toxic red flag,' then sending your child to the library under a fake errand so you can set up their surprise birthday party would also be a toxic red flag. Both use deceit and manipulation—but neither are born out of malice.
Riiiight! And also LUKE manipulates and formulates his words in a way that makes FLORA feel like she is 100% in…
I will not say that these are not forms of manipulation and/or deceit. By basic definition, they absolutely are.
However, there is a huge difference between malicious, toxic manipulation meant to break someone down, versus Luke tripping over his own tongue.
These are the desperate antics of a man in love who is completely dehydrated of affection. His terror of being vulnerable leads him to make stupid, dishonest decisions, but they are never malicious or meant to harm Flora.
This isn't to excuse Luke's actions or the harsh words he chooses to use. Rather, it is a defense of his intentions. If we cannot see the root of an issue, looking at the surface of the issue makes no sense. My view of that root might simply differ from yours.
I won't discount your statement that these moments are deceitful. My argument is simply that they are not designed to hurt her. If we label every instance of deception a 'toxic red flag,' then sending your child to the library under a fake errand so you can set up their surprise birthday party would also be a toxic red flag. Both use deceit and manipulation—but neither are born out of malice.
You've actually given me the perfect outline for my next write up! I'm going to write an article breaking down these exact incidents through this lens and my perspective. - Thanks
Riiiight! And also LUKE manipulates and formulates his words in a way that makes FLORA feel like she is 100% in…
I don't know about teasing and sarcastic - he is just blunt with his words, he is rude - however that does not equate to verbal abuse and manipulation.
blunt communication and verbal abuse are not the same. Also - his communication style has not changed from the moment she met him to the time she accepted him. So, she chose to accept whatever you'd like to call his communication tone
There is this one person who hates on him everyday. I suggested she tries to see both sides.
I did not watch ep 20 yet and did not read many comments because I figured they'd be saying the same thing they were saying before the drama even started 😂
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The Ex - who came back with the explicit intention of winning her back.
The Roommate Sun Yuanzhu - who harbored a massive crush on her.
The Fake Dating Profile
Any partner in a committed relationship has every right to find issue with those three specific situations.
The real problem is that while Flora has a physical proximity gauge that Luke is aware of, she is completely emotionally unaware. She is blind to others' feelings, which leaves her lacking proper boundaries.
She lived with a roommate for six years and never realized he had feelings for her?
She is equally oblivious to her own feelings for Luke. When her friend asked if she saw him as a boyfriend or a boss, she couldn't answer. LOL - then a month later had the nerve to mention marriage.
My deduction is that Flora treats Luke less like a boyfriend and more like a boss with benefits.
This is exactly why she never reaches out to him for real emotional support. When she was being evicted, she confided in Lumi, but told Luke she just fell. She views Luke strictly as boss with benefits and Lumi as a friend.
Would Luke feel that intense disconnect? Absolutely. Just as she needs affirmation, Luke needs love. But she never gives him emotional love because she is too busy intentionally keeping her distance. Even when he is visibly in pain, she stands there with her hands in her pockets just watching him. How can your partner be in pain and you just look at them with your hands in your pocket? Luke would have had her in an air taxi on the way to the hospital. So yes, intentions absolutely matter when the other person is actively starving you of emotional security while treating you like a corporate resource - at the same time the results equally matter. If we are claiming that Luke harmed Flora - we can also claim that Flora also harmed Luke.
However my personal opinion is - Luke had no intention of harming Flora or withholding anything from her. While Flora had not intention of harming Luke but had every intention of withholding her heart from him.
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Why it needs to be compared to a historical drama ?- they would compare it to an American TV drama if they could get an argument out of it.
Has Luke been deceitful and manipulative.
At first I said no, but by the definition of the words - I would have to say yes.
Here is my reply to that issue -
_____
I will not say that these are not forms of manipulation and/or deceit. By basic definition, they absolutely are.
However, there is a huge difference between malicious, toxic manipulation meant to break someone down, versus Luke tripping over his own tongue.
These are the desperate antics of a man in love who is completely dehydrated of affection. His terror of being vulnerable leads him to make stupid, dishonest decisions, but they are never malicious or meant to harm Flora.
This isn't to excuse Luke's actions or the harsh words he chooses to use. Rather, it is a defense of his intentions. If we cannot see the root of an issue, looking at the surface of the issue makes no sense. My view of that root might simply differ from yours.
I won't discount your statement that these moments are deceitful. My argument is simply that they are not designed to hurt her. If we label every instance of deception a 'toxic red flag,' then sending your child to the library under a fake errand so you can set up their surprise birthday party would also be a toxic red flag. Both use deceit and manipulation—but neither are born out of malice.
However, there is a huge difference between malicious, toxic manipulation meant to break someone down, versus Luke tripping over his own tongue.
These are the desperate antics of a man in love who is completely dehydrated of affection. His terror of being vulnerable leads him to make stupid, dishonest decisions, but they are never malicious or meant to harm Flora.
This isn't to excuse Luke's actions or the harsh words he chooses to use. Rather, it is a defense of his intentions. If we cannot see the root of an issue, looking at the surface of the issue makes no sense. My view of that root might simply differ from yours.
I won't discount your statement that these moments are deceitful. My argument is simply that they are not designed to hurt her. If we label every instance of deception a 'toxic red flag,' then sending your child to the library under a fake errand so you can set up their surprise birthday party would also be a toxic red flag. Both use deceit and manipulation—but neither are born out of malice.
You've actually given me the perfect outline for my next write up! I'm going to write an article breaking down these exact incidents through this lens and my perspective. - Thanks