Choo Young Woo deserves all the praises possible for his performance in this sageuk (and even an award). But other than that, it's just a ridiculous and unrealistic scenario, filled with contemporary references, put in an historical settings. Of course it is popular with the general audience, the production is very good with a beautiful cinematography, and it has all the morally acceptable, sensational and appealing elements they like (just like "My Dearest"), but for me it's a very bad sageuk.
Tell me you're anti-euthanasia without telling me you are anti-euthanasia. Did you know that, globally, only about…
Why are you implying that I tried to hid anything with your first sentence ? From the start of your answer there is a passive/aggressive tone, how are we supposed to have a good exchange with such way to answer others ?
Your argument (based on numbers that, of course, we should believe) is that because there is not enough done for palliative care, promoting and allowing euthanasia is a good thing. Yes, it is exactly the culture of death for me.
I have made many edits for this movie over the last few weeks, and especially several edits to put the right English title, but no, my edits are just ignored (as I didn't received any rejection message).
Anyway, excited for the release in 5 days, hopefully I can see this one in cinemas this time.
They didn't promote Euthanasia, they more of did a commentary on it showing different povs on the topic. Also…
Well, if it wasn't their intention, the results are different for some people. As my comment shown, that's exactly what I understood from their TV series without having any context about it. If they are personally for euthanasia, even if they honestly tried to offer a balanced story, they may not have realised that for people who are against, their story just leans to one side more than the other because of an unconscious bias. I agree that Kan isn't portrayed totally perfect or righteous, but still, for me, there is a way the dialogues are done and his motivations highlighted that shows his actions positively.
They didn't promote Euthanasia, they more of did a commentary on it showing different povs on the topic. Also…
I don't agree. That's only your point of view. I watched it without knowing anything about the plot and the original material it was based of, and through the drama and until the end, for me, it's just a promotion for euthanasia. Because even if Kan is arrested at the end, to respect the law, they make him look good and like a "hero" still (and even Thiu finally forgives him, in a instant, after his little speech...). All talks about euthanasia are shown under a good light (the moral side of course), with only the law (suggested as wrong), against it.
As much as I like him, the trailer confirmed me that he doesn't pass as a high school student, not even one bit, at least not for me. I'll still watch the drama (and I hope enjoy it), but all the undercover stuff will not be very credible I guess.
I gave "First Love: Hatsukoi" a 9.5 rating, so here are my recommendations for you, maybe you will like some :
Boku no Ita Jikan Bokutachi no Konai Hoso Chastity High Code Blue Drops of God Gibo to Musume no Blues Hotarugusa House of Ninjas Ishiko to Haneo: Sonna Koto de Uttaemasu? Shogun Silent Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru Super Rich Tenno no Ryoriban Trillion Game Umi no Hajimari
See this the thing some fans want the same level of mature story and scenes and others hate any kind of mature…
I agree that they should focus on a well written scenario, and also good direction and production, instead of just wanting to make the "buzz" to only gain more attention (for positive or negative reasons, publicity is always good in a way). With a good scenario and direction, even people who are uncomfortable with mature content could be convinced it worked well in the end. But I'm not sure a "well written scenario" is what comes to mind first when it's a Netflix production unfortunately. Nonetheless, I still hope for the best.
However, I don't think it's a lose/lose situation for the actors. At least for the ones that already have a solid fandom and reputation like Chang Wook. Of course there will be some fans that are unhappy (it's always the case anyway), and it was the case with "Queen Woo" for example (even me who is fine with mature content I think it was unnecessary and not well directed in this one, even though I was mostly disappointed by it for other reasons). But in the end it doesn't really change anything for the actors I think. Even if he goes as far as showing his butt in a scene (we can still dream ^^), it will benefit him in the end. I think a mature or more exposed role will not damage his career at this point, it will disappoint or anger some fans, but it will still work for him I'm sure, especially internationally. I truly believe that he has the acting potential to become very big, but if he breaks the smooth and a bit bland image that most Korean actors have, and I feel it's what he is doing with his latest roles. At least that's how I see it. ;)
Considering that it seems you haven't watch any sageuk that is more than 7 or 8 years old, I think this might…
It seems you didn't read well or didn't understand what I meant and just jumped to conclusions on your own. I wrote "the historical part is already a big failure", not the drama itself. That's very different. And I never wrote that it can't be called a sageuk if it is not based on true events neither so I don't understand your reasoning.
When it comes to the realism of the drama based on the period the story is set in, yes, it is a big failure for me as it keeps integrating contemporary references in these historical settings. It doesn't matter that the story is based on true events or not. Same goes for "Kingdom" and "Mr. Queen", thus, that's why they are considered as fusion sageuk. And "Alchemy of Souls" is a fantasy drama so it's totally different.
But that's only my opinion, it's fine to think otherwise. We can disagree on this and still communicate normally you know. In the end you never answered my question from the start (thus my comment on your defensive answer). I don't see why you feel the need to act childishly by mocking other opinions if you are not on the defensive. Me I am simply explaining what I think when you keep assuming things about me. No I don't hate the drama and I'm fine with people praising it if they like it. Again, if you can't stand any comment that doesn't go in your sense and can't exchange views respectfully and in a mature way, I don't see the point to participate in a public comments section.
I'm glad they choose to set this story in a fictional environment. It's much better than using real historical figures or events but change or adapt them for the sake of a (bad) scenario. Most of the time it is (very) disappointing, at least for people that care for the original characters and events used as references. Here at least we can enjoy the characters and the story without any particular expectations.I'm looking forward to a funny romance set in an historical settings.
And Son Woo Hyun playing a crown prince is a dream come true. ^^
Considering that it seems you haven't watch any sageuk that is more than 7 or 8 years old, I think this might…
Nobody. But thank you for your mature and very interesting insight in this exchange. Oh and writing "sageuk kdramas" is a pleonasm as a sageuk is already a Korean historical drama. ;)
Definitely not a fan of remakes (especially when there is already so many adaptations), but the original work, "Les Liaisons dangereuses", is a masterpiece, and watching Chang Wook, in a new sageuk, playing such a potentially interesting character, is enough for me. And even more if they really play the card of a mature story. This shouldn't be watered down to please hypocritical defenders of so-called virtue and chastity.
The plot looks weird to me (it's a web novel adaptation so it makes sense, in a way), but with Lee Chae Min playing a king and Seo Yi Sook, I'm seated for it.
Your argument (based on numbers that, of course, we should believe) is that because there is not enough done for palliative care, promoting and allowing euthanasia is a good thing. Yes, it is exactly the culture of death for me.
Anyway, excited for the release in 5 days, hopefully I can see this one in cinemas this time.
If they are personally for euthanasia, even if they honestly tried to offer a balanced story, they may not have realised that for people who are against, their story just leans to one side more than the other because of an unconscious bias.
I agree that Kan isn't portrayed totally perfect or righteous, but still, for me, there is a way the dialogues are done and his motivations highlighted that shows his actions positively.
Boku no Ita Jikan
Bokutachi no Konai Hoso
Chastity High
Code Blue
Drops of God
Gibo to Musume no Blues
Hotarugusa
House of Ninjas
Ishiko to Haneo: Sonna Koto de Uttaemasu?
Shogun
Silent
Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru
Super Rich
Tenno no Ryoriban
Trillion Game
Umi no Hajimari
However, I don't think it's a lose/lose situation for the actors. At least for the ones that already have a solid fandom and reputation like Chang Wook. Of course there will be some fans that are unhappy (it's always the case anyway), and it was the case with "Queen Woo" for example (even me who is fine with mature content I think it was unnecessary and not well directed in this one, even though I was mostly disappointed by it for other reasons). But in the end it doesn't really change anything for the actors I think. Even if he goes as far as showing his butt in a scene (we can still dream ^^), it will benefit him in the end. I think a mature or more exposed role will not damage his career at this point, it will disappoint or anger some fans, but it will still work for him I'm sure, especially internationally. I truly believe that he has the acting potential to become very big, but if he breaks the smooth and a bit bland image that most Korean actors have, and I feel it's what he is doing with his latest roles. At least that's how I see it. ;)
I wrote "the historical part is already a big failure", not the drama itself. That's very different. And I never wrote that it can't be called a sageuk if it is not based on true events neither so I don't understand your reasoning.
When it comes to the realism of the drama based on the period the story is set in, yes, it is a big failure for me as it keeps integrating contemporary references in these historical settings. It doesn't matter that the story is based on true events or not. Same goes for "Kingdom" and "Mr. Queen", thus, that's why they are considered as fusion sageuk. And "Alchemy of Souls" is a fantasy drama so it's totally different.
But that's only my opinion, it's fine to think otherwise. We can disagree on this and still communicate normally you know. In the end you never answered my question from the start (thus my comment on your defensive answer). I don't see why you feel the need to act childishly by mocking other opinions if you are not on the defensive. Me I am simply explaining what I think when you keep assuming things about me. No I don't hate the drama and I'm fine with people praising it if they like it. Again, if you can't stand any comment that doesn't go in your sense and can't exchange views respectfully and in a mature way, I don't see the point to participate in a public comments section.
And Son Woo Hyun playing a crown prince is a dream come true. ^^