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YESSS my thoughts exactly, it just feels like people are shaming on this because of the lack of skinship in the last few episodes, since that's the only thing that has been "missing" in contrary to the previous episodes. (I myself couldn't care less about that) This is a great show, and so far there's nothing exactly wrong with it. I feel like a lot of people have misunderstood the plot and meaning of the story. Glad to see another person willing to speak up about the hate on this drama! :)

If you know the person you don't really have to ask for their consent for hugs (unless they've previously asked for you to do so) and since Tien was panicking and not connected to the present, (therefore not acknowledging Lomfon in that scene) not to mention he was facing the different way, it's safe to say that a hug from the back was one of the only things Lomfon could do to get his thoughts back to the present. A hug is often used (may I say in real life as well) if you're trying to calm someone down, especially when they're not willing to listen to you since they're lost in their own thoughts. To me, this just sounds like nitpicking on your part.

I don't really have the energy to say much but "non-consensual hug" is just so funny to me like genuinely what

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'd like to add that Patt was in a hurry to find Tai, so I'd think he just didn't bother to change his clothes. Obviously we can't be sure that the director even intended on Tai having his cardigan on, but I just interpret it that way.

But yep, I agree with you on those. I'm just kind of confused about the phone call thing. If the writer intended on letting Patt and Tai talk together through the night, they shouldn't have made the phone call at all, instead let them rest and after that call for a ride. I choose to hope that they'll explain why they took so long by telling about what happened with Lomfon. They could've just made Lomfon hear Patt and Tai's voices but instead made him faint as well, which makes me think they'll talk about that later and mention him passing out since we didn't see what happened after Tien supposedly called for help. But well, I think we'll see that in the next episode.

Exactly! I've also known skz since their pre-debut years, but I started "officially" stanning them after seeing the Venom MV (I replayed the Hyunjin + Han clip so many times...)!! What type of writer are you? Novelist, poet, mixed etc.? We can continue chatting in private messages if you'd like. :)

(also it's no biggie, I may take a while to text back as well lol)

I'm glad I could clear up some things! Keep enjoying the show :)

It's valid to freeze up in that situation, Patts was most likely shocked about the whole thing. His ex-girlfriend suddenly appears and kisses him, it's understandable that he'd freeze up and stand still.

If I was in that situation I'd most likely react the same way as well.

THIS!! I'm so happy that someone else actually took the time to appreciate this episode since I've seen many criticizing it for ridiculous reasons. Glad we share the same thoughts about Nara as well!!

I checked your profile and we have some things in common, like our rating system, Stray Kids ult, and the fact we're both writers and artists!! would be nice to chat with you :DD

Exactlyyy, I still don't like Nara though. She had no reason to kiss Patts like that lolll

1. HIGH chance of sunburn, he can't take his sweater off
2. Tai passed out. Fainting works like that. You feel weak to the bone, lose consciousness, and feel a bit better after waking up. Tai couldn't possibly have had enough strength to get up on his own at that moment, his body was in too much of a rough state. Patts also helped him get up.
3. Tai can still feel lightheaded and felt like he'd need to rest since it takes more energy to hold onto someone than sit down.
4. I also thought it was a bit weird that the car didn't get there till morning, I hope they clear that out by possibly mentioning Lomfon passing out and therefore him being more of a priority since Tai was already safe.
5. You can sleep sitting down, especially since he was still leaning on Tai's shoulder.
6. Tai's problem wasn't the kiss in the first place, they weren't dating or anything anyways so it shouldn't have been an issue overall. He was just insecure and still confused about the soulmate thing.
7. It has been hinted since the beginning of this series that Lomfon will be the biggest "obstacle" in this drama. We can see how highlighted he is in the trailer and teasers.
8. I understand some of these can feel confusing, but it's all about how you connect the dots. The only thing about this episode that didn't seem to make sense (in my opinion) was the car-coming-in-the-morning thing.

I know about the history of gay men, yet I never assumed I was an expert on being gay. (whatever that means) What you originally said sounded a lot like you only cared about them having anal sex, and the major flaw about this drama was that they didn't go that far yet.
I'm still not exactly sure what you mean by that, but I'll try to understand.
If I interpreted it right, you're saying the reason Tai didn't want to go as far as anal sex yet, is because he "shouldn't" want it? That just sounds a bit weird to me. I very well know that some men may have this struggle in real life, but no matter how I look at it it doesn't seem to be the case with Tai. Neither is the fact he's shy or hesitant, I didn't mean that. Rather it's just because he doesn't feel like he's ready yet. That's an extremely common conversation to have in a relationship, especially since it's Tai's first time, he wishes to adjust and slowly get the hang of it before going as far as anal sex. I very much loathe shows with normalized and/or romanticized non-consensual sex. It's common to see in many shows starring a gay relationship, but it's in no way acceptable. It's fetishization.

This has nothing to do with being gay or not. Everyone's relationship is different. What I've been trying to get you to understand is how harmful it is to assume that someone stating their boundaries is "homophobic"

The reason it may look like Tai doesn't seem to be attracted to Phat is because he's till hesitant about his feelings. Phat is experienced with relationships while Tai isn't, so it makes sense that Phat is the one to make the first moves and show Tai he's serious about his feelings. Tai even said he wishes for them to get to know each other better before advancing to the next level. Tai isn't "swatting down" Phat's flirting, rather he's just shy. Also, they aren't in a relationship yet, just in the talking phase. It is stated multiple times that Tai and Phat don't know much about each other yet, for example Phat only recently finding out about Tai's family.
Please don't bring random stats onto this conversation. Physical affection is important to a lot of people, but definitely not to 99%. Neither was it ever stated that Tai doesn't like physical contact, he only spoke up about not being ready for anal sex yet.

You didn't specifically say "sex is just about anal sex" but what you said did give off that impression. What did you mean by "uke hates sex" trope then? I'm pretty sure we saw a consented sex scene in the 7th episode, so what makes you think Tai hates sex if not about you thinking sex=anal sex?

I don't view it in that way. Sex isn't only about anal sex and it is extremely common in real life to take time to be ready for it. Especially since Tai's and Phat's relationship isn't exactly steady yet.

Tai hasn't gotten fully rid of his worries towards the whole soulmate setting. He's only been gradually getting used to it, hence why it's such an emotional plot point that he felt as though Phat wasn't serious about him once seeing his ex-gf kiss him. That's what makes their relationship interesting, the hesitant yet desperate spark between them is refreshing and brings a lot to the plot.
A relationship doesn't need to be physical. It's the subtle actions and words that really bring the feeling of love to the show. I find it cheap to rely fully on physical intimacy in romance dramas, especially since that's a step a lot of people don't make until being in an "official" relationship.

I wasn't originally gonna point out anything about your UWMA rant, but saying Team "turned into a 6 year old" is just wrong. In what way exactly? His struggles were brought to light more than in UWMA, but his behaviour hadn't changed. I enjoyed Between Us a lot more than UWMA.

As a gay man, what you're saying sounds extremely homophobic and gives off the impression that you judge a gay relationship based on the amount of sexual intercourse. I cherished the fact that Tai stated his boundaries and said he wasn't ready for anal sex yet, since it's pretty rare to see in media starring a MLM couple. I'm used to shows like this to just go all the way once they've started something, so it was refreshing to have them communicate about how far they'll go.
In the series it is clearly stated that Tai is still hesitant about the whole soulmate setup, so that's why their relationship is still progressing slowly. (realistically so by the way)

I understand that seeing another meddling ex-gf as a plot point can be tiring, but it really isn't that big of a deal in the end. It's easy to foresee that the bigger conflict will be between Lomfon and Tai's and Phat's relationship. We can see it in the trailer as well.
As I am also an experienced writer myself, I wouldn't agree that this is terribly written just because of a "cliche" plot device. This is currently one of the most steady Thai-dramas I've seen regarding the plot and pacing, so it upsets me that you criticize it without valid reasoning behind it.

Your comment on their slow advancement on their relationship being bad for their emotional health is actually valid. They are both hesitant and not sure how to continue off on what they've supposedly started. What brightens the flames is the constant meddling Phat's ex-girlfriend and Lomfon is doing. They can't seem to relax in their current relationship, and that's what adds to the drama.

From Lomfon and Tien we can suspect that Tien has taken a liking to Lomfon but Lomfon himself is more interested in Tai than Tien. I can sense some spark between them but it is pretty obvious that their attachment to each other isn't mutual. I can rather see Lomfon having platonic feelings towards Tien, and possibly developing more serious feelings as he slowly realizes he has no chance with Tai. That's just my theory though. But their relationship isn't clear at all.
You assuming something you liked about this series was accidental pretty much proves that you're not even trying to look at the good sides of the series since you're so blinded by your own opinion. It's really upsetting as someone who can really feel the work and thought process put onto this series,

I agree with your last point, even though I myself find the main pair in this drama way more interesting. I felt that way about UWMA, I liked Win and Team a lot more than Dean and Pharm.

i'm not sure if you've watched the trailer or not but in it we can see that the main couple's progression in romance is kind of just a premise. the "actual" drama will most likely be Lomfon trying to win Saengtien over despise him making it clear he isn't available. (many ppl r labelling this as a love triangle but from what i see it's just Lomfon making Saengtien and Pat uncomfortable)

i believe that the length of this series is perfect as long as my speculation is right!
also i'm not sure what your experiences are but in my opinion their relationship (which you said lacks substance) is actually one of the most realistic ones i've stumbled upon in thai dramas. not everything is romantic especially at the start. it makes even more sense taking to accord that Saengtien has been avoiding his soulmate for 2 years, and Pat is most likely willing to take things a bit slower just because of Saengtien's doubts regarding love

---please let me know if you disagree!

in my eyes, i see JH actually wanting to know what about him makes SJ uncomfortable so he can fix that aspect and behave more carefully. then again, SJ's roommate tried assuring SJ that he should move on from the past and that JH isn't his ex. they're going to be working together from now on so it would make more sense if JH tried his best to get along with SJ without making him uncomfortable, rather than just let it go and make SJ feel trapped in the situation. i'm assured that JH just wants to know what's going on with SJ so that he can act more considerately with him in the future. the apology was to let SJ know that it wasn't JH's intention to make him uncomfortable, and that he was just curious about him. i don't think he has to do anything more to prove that he's sorry.

also, as a person with an anxiety disorder myself- in this situation it's better to clear things up with the other person than to avoid them and cause even more stress for yourself.

i actually agree with your last statement, this should be as slow-paced as possible. i'm hoping JH won't rush things.

(i've yet to watch episode 4 as of writing this comment, so i apologize if my points were proved inaccurate!)

i'm interested in your viewpoint, because no matter how i try looking at it from your perspective- it doesn't make sense.

i'm familiar with both Our Dating Sim and Semantic Error, but both of those contradict what you said about them.

for ODS, the male lead literally anonymously hires him just to see him again, he plays with the other's feelings and abuses his spot in the company to make the other uncomfortable. he isn't even the manager, there was no need for him to interact with him that much

as for SE, the whole premise is about the male lead wanting to make the other uncomfortable as revenge. he purposefully annoys him and took the same classes as him, followed him everywhere, and just overall made his goal to irritate the other as much as he can.

in Happy Merry Ending, they're also coworkers. so that contradicts what you said about him pursuing him unnecessarily. i don't find anything wrong with his behavior, and i'm saying this as someone who dislikes the "i don't care what you have been through just love me" trope a lot. in my opinion, Jae Hyun is being really respectful to Seung Jun. he even apologized for accidentally hurting his feelings. (3rd episode)¨

my answer is genuine and i'm only meaning to understand your viewpoint better! have a good day, and i'd hope if you could spare the time to enlighten me :)