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Yeah - sorry my inner nerd just like to dissect this from physics pov because what they did in theory makes sense or hypothetically makes sense XD. But the notion of stopping time is just wrong for me -although it's the drama's full rights to go all fantasy at this point. I'm just enjoying the part where they got the science right.

I think the concept is great. I like that they called it Prophecy when instead someone in the future has written it as a diary entry probably XD. I just think that (and ignoring the big elephant in the room) the writing is not well-paced to build the concept in a good narrative way, they overused tropes so much to move the plot/add tensions, and adding almost non-existent character development. Those make this drama rather boring/annoying now and not as exciting as what it looked like when I started this.

oooo! Now you brought up Interstellar, I guess you can think of it that way.... because the time travel concept here derives from the same principles as interstellar - time make a closed loop on itself so the future and the past are parallel to each other. So technically you can create a wormhole to connect 2020 JG and 2021 TY at that house. But I think specifically for that scene, it just a result of bad editing - while they're trying to be stylish. And as Jose Benny pointed out to me, JG didn't stop time, he just move faster than light that he appears to stop time...

Ah okay, my bad, I guess yeah if he moves at/faster than the speed of light at that time then that still makes sense.. thanks for clarifying!

lol. Just a caveat, not all physicists are as smart as people think (like most are experts on specified field after years of studying and probably don't know much about other things outside of physics XD ). But we all have pretty good peripheral vision from looking at too many equations at the same time, so I'm disappointed that they portrayed TY this way :D

it's bad editing. The time travel is still fine I think. He left that post it notes in 2020, she read it in 2021 (reminds me of Il Mare). They just edit the scene side-by-side and added confusion. When TY went back to 2020, she saw that post-it notes.
The part where he stopped time and somehow brought back TY was something else though

LOL. I feel like the more we know the more confusing it becomes xD

Ah okay, I remember they mentioned something about the rash in the kidnapping mom's episode, but I forgot the details. Thanks! JG must be a special case then because he didn't get the rash when he time traveled. Well, and also he can stop time, so rash would be the least of his problem.

I think TY was already back to 2020 during the point when he stopped time. And when time started again he got the call from someone that they're able to locate TY, and that's when he ran to the cemetery. Both were in 2020.

Yeah, the chip is not something I expected to be hidden behind the mark/tattoo. I thought his mom was an authorized time traveler? So she didn't need to have that implanted like the other guy? Was she part of that group before? Ah so many questions as usual.... xD

I'm glad the plot starts moving again and that MH finally found out that JG is his son!!!

But I'm quite annoyed by all these characters falling into the old k-dramas classic trope of keeping secrets from each other FOR THE SAFETY OF THAT PERSON when it works the other way around. And TY must have a really poor peripheral vision that she didn't see that picture of JG's mom at the ossuary

I also don't understand how his power works (that's fantasy now and no longer sci-fi :D). Maybe he can stop time when he's in danger (like what happened at the end of ep 1)? But if that's the case then he wouldn't have been killed that easily by the captain. Also is TY getting rash because she was time traveling? I don't quite understand the concept of that. I thought that now she's back in her original timeline that shouldn't happen. I'm confused.
But yeah I'm glad the plot is moving again

I'm still basing what I think as the time travel mechanisms of this drama on Director Oh's lectures and the two Alice's clients. From Director Oh's lecture, when you time travel, you ended up in a different timeline. The timeline in that universe is the same as the original timeline up to the point of time-travel. So all the characters are living the same past until that point when time travel happens and then the universe starts to branches out based on what changes due to the time travel.

The problem is Director Oh's lectures only involves 1 case of time-traveling, while by the time the drama opened, we probably already had multiple cases of time traveling. So the 1992 timeline most likely already has a (many) different version(s) of it, so it's more complicated to trace the start of the time-traveling or what universes we are living in/watching, and since we are only shown one main universe, we don't really know what happens in another universe although we can guess them.

Yes. I agree. The scene where the mom is pointing to TY in the classroom also doesn't indicate that they are not their own parallel versions. It just shows that they are 2 people at the same time. Similar to when JG saw his high school self when he time-traveled to the past.
Also, how did the mom know that TY can stop time travel if she couldn't help the director anymore, unless she knows that TY is her parallel self...

I see your point. But I think it all comes back to what viewers are looking for in the drama? For me, it's the sci-fi aspects that were appealing for me, and the questions that were raised from that, esp. related to the Book of Prophecy (who wrote it, why it's in the past, why do people have to kill for it, etc.). And we barely scratch any surface on answering those questions. So I don't see how this drama will work without time travel since those are the things that interest me.

Does the time travel have to include parallel universes? Probably not. But that's the lazy, albeit, the correct way not to create any time travel paradox (so you can kill your past self without wondering about your current self's existence), and that's in line with Alice's purpose: allowing their clients to make peace with their past, and looks like they don't care about what it might result in the future. They do have some rules such as not allowing their clients to commit murders, etc (which obviously didn't work). But when humans have been given such a "superpower", they become greedy and eventually want more than what they should be satisfied with (i.e. the kidnapping mother).

I think the rules have been set clearly from Director Oh's lectures and the two Alice's clients. From Director Oh's lecture, when you time travel, you ended up in a different timeline. The timeline in that universe is the same as the original timeline up to the point of time-travel. So all the characters are living the same past until that point when time travel happens and then the universe starts to branches out based on what changes due to the time travel.

The problem is Director Oh's lectures only involves 1 case of time-traveling, while by the time the drama opened, we probably already had multiple cases of time traveling. So the 1992 timeline most likely already has a (many) different version(s) of it, so it's more complicated to trace the start of the time-traveling or what universes we are living in/watching, and since we are only shown one main universe, we don't really know what happens in another universe although we can guess them.

I feel like if the writers have been focused on answering those questions, instead of adding "dramas" to satisfy the k-dramas requirements, the story could have been more tight instead of feeling like a filler/repetitive. Because it does show when a drama starts losing focus on their main premises, and it's not strictly applied to this drama only. Also yes, I agree that the characters start to feel one-dimensional (and we barely had any character development)

yes! She figured it out the first time JG time traveled, she should have figured it out this time as well... (but then they're going for that dramatic moment where she revealed her inner feelings - which makes her character seems less smart compared to what she's written to be)

I can tolerate most of the rescue scenes, but ep 8 is on another level. Why are they on the roof all of a sudden?? Just so Tae Yi can fall down and time travel? If they're trying to do that, then they should spend a longer time on how Tae Yi was abducted first and then manage to escape and then went to that roof. The whole last 10 minutes just feel like something they wrote in a rush to create a cliffhanger for this episode.

Also, it's obvious that they're having 45 minutes of fluff to build a storyline that we all know leading to where and at the same time justify it so that they won't get any hard backlash later

My feelings exactly. Because now they are going to write around the script to justify that, instead of writing a script that builds up to: who wrote BoP, why Tae Yi's dad has that book, who build Alice, why time travel has to be stopped, why there are 2 Tae Yis (and no SBS, just showing them as 2 different persons in the same timeline is not enough - because no matter which angle you look at it, if you're going to use quantum probabilities to explain this then if any version of Tae Yi meets any version of Min Hyuk and have a baby with him, then it's highly likely that their son would be Jin Gyeom, no matter which parallel universe you're going with)

The first 45 mins of ep 8 made me feel like I'm not watching a sci-fic drama (you know what other genre am talking about). I appreciate the humor and all, but I wish they use that more wisely just like in episode 3-4 and concentrate on building the story. Also looking at the SBS official video, they are trying hard to push the narrative that 2050 TaeYi and 2020 TaeYi are a different person - which means it's more likely now that they are going in that direction...

Congratulation Mister, you won the internet. LOL

You made me repeat the scene again, but I don't see any box, both at the house/at the roof? He took her to the roof/chasing her there to only then strangled her. My comment was jokingly pointed out the need to go to the roof, when obviously there's simpler route. But of course they need to go to that roof so that they can show that part where Tae Yi travels to the future *dramatically*

no worries, you explain it very well, thanks! I just assume she's 25 based on her fake ID - also just guessing.
It's just that I was relying on Oh Won's explanations and the Alice clients's stories to guess which dimension they are all in. Tae Yi is the only one that didn't fit in because there's at least 2 versions of her in each dimension. Assuming the Alice clients come from the same dimension in the future to the same dimension in the past, then there should be a 68 y.o version of Tae Yi living in that timeline, in that dimension, unless at some point she time travel to the future, like you said. The question is when...

my question is why can't he just kill her in the house, instead of going to that roof? JG was obviously still in another place when he called the other detective XD
Also, time and distance seem to be very short every time JG has to rescue TY, but it's longer for everyone else who he was supposed to rescue.