Nanakor

A masterpiece. Everything from the direction up to the lighting was superb. Park Chan Wook defined himself as one my favourite film directors with this movie, after watching his Vengeance Trilogy and The Snowpiercer (although I have mixed feelings about the last one). Both Kim Min Hee and Kim Tae Ri were excellent. I loved the mixture of mystery, romance, sex and violence in the story although I get that the sex parts are not for everyone but I didn't feel uncomfortable at all - at least not as much as I did while watching BITWC. I always come back once in a while to rewatch this movie, I love it so much!

Just finished this and what an experience. The story, acting, direction, production, costumes etc. were top stuff. I love historical dramas and this was great. Although it was kinda dragging at times/was slow, it didn't affect my enjoyment of the show and that ENDING omg I am leaning towards a happy ending for them because they deserve it. SXR had a great character arc and his relationship with CFT shinned throughout it. Soulmates is what we call these kind of people. Really good show :)

I just finished watching this and not gonna lie, I am mad. Woo Kyung still speaks and let's her step mom live in the house she killed her sister. Of course she says that can't forgive her but this is insane. I believe all of us would have taken our child and cut ties after something so horrible. I dunno what the writer/s were thinking. Not to mention I would have killed her if she did same to me. Your stepmom abused your sibling and buried them in your house, your dad agreeing to it as well and pulling a theater on you for 30 years. What the f*ck...

Also, I want to bring up the "who am I to judge someone?" because are you serious? When abuse happens but the justice system and the police fails to protect you and your child, someone has to step up. Oh yeah, poor policemen who feel bad that they have to handcuff the victims of abuse after killing their abusers. Yeah, it must be difficult for them. But someone out there tried to help and free those people from their hell but hey it goes against the law, so we have to catch you even if he beat you and your child for years because how dare your take the precious gift of life from someone who makes you want to die every day of your life.

They should have let the Red Cry plotline leak into the press, so it would bring more nuisance into the story. For the characters, Soo Yeoung got the short stick of it; she looked interesting at first but as the plot kept focusing on the other three main characters, she faded into a secondary character. I dunno why the writer/s made her one of the mains when she never really did anything, which is a shame. Wasted character.

On the bright side, I like how the story focused on the abused children. It reminds me how many are going through hell every day and it just reinforces my belief that most people shouldn't become parents; don't do it out of social pressure or because you think it might be cute or for whatever other selfish reason. Having a child, biological/adopted/foster, is a huge responsibility and changes your whole life. Of course I understand that in SK there is an issue because abortion is illegal in most cases and this can add more to the issue of abused children due their parents not being able to terminate the pregnancy if they want to.

Anyways, the drama was good but some of the ethics behind it sucked. Justice and police are there to not protect but to keep in peace the society under the laws it works. Maybe that's why the system is horrible; because it's working as it's supposed to, not how it should be.

I can't say something here because while I know of the manager situation, none of us knows the full details and can only speculate. At the end, what as viewers can do is hear their thoughts, feelings and opinions an either support, criticize or hate.

I want to make clear here I don't hate Perth or Mean, or any of them but I do feel disappointment over their words. At the end, they came out and said what they said, so their words can raise different reactions from different people.

I can't say something here because while I know of the manager situation, none of us knows the full details and can only speculate. At the end, what as viewers can do is hear their thoughts, feelings and opinions an either support, criticize or hate.

I want to make clear here I don't hate Perth or Mean, or any of them but I do feel disappointment over their words. At the end, they came out and said what they said, so their words can raise different reactions from different people.

If I feel it's an attack to the LGBTQ+ community, then I think it is because that's how I feel. And everyone is rightful to feel how they want about it, regardless of their sexual orientation. As people we have different filters to judge the world.

Why should a BL role be a challenge for them? I get the "challenge" part for the acting process as in to grow as an artist, but why should the BL role be "challenging" to go back to it again? This should apply for the majority of roles they take; either challenging or because they enjoy the character or the story. And yeah, no that excuse I have heard "I will play again only if X is my partner" is stupid.

I am not criticizing his life but the stuff he goes out and says in public. Am I not allowed to do that?

As I said, I get the fear of typecasting. I have no problem with them wanting new roles and become better but some of you all here don't get what the issue: saying that for them to grow as an actor they need to step out of BL and do more challenging roles. Do you see the problem now?

Of course it's not only BL and Lakorn, there is horror, fantasy, adventure etc. as any other ent. industry out there. I believe every actor/actress should play in most of these genres and change from MC to the villain, to the best friend to the hacker etc. It looks such an exciting job but it comes with the pros and cons as any other.

I respect and admire the director because he had to deal with a lot of shit back in S1 but I am not really a fan of his direction creativity, if I can say it like this.

I haven't venture outside of Thai BL yet but I am planning to. I still have "He is coming to me" on hold due to studies, but yes Singto is great.

Could you provide me with a source of the other translation? I read others on twitter and all said the same thing.

I get that typecasting is a legit fear. But here is the thing: it's up to the actors/actresses and their managers to find them something else even if it's low budget/production, no mainstream, no other popular person etc and might have to start all over again. For example, Daniel Radcliffe is not HP anymore. He threw that character away completely, did roles in indie movies, went to theater etc So there are ways to go away from typecasting if one is willing to struggle.

The thing with BL though it's different: it's under the genre of "Romance" but it has some big differences: 1. coming-out and homophobia/harassment subplots, 2. the Thai BL industry is problematic and 3. while LGBTQ+ =/= BL at the same time it gives people like us a way to see ourselves out there and enjoy stupid romance stories as any straight person can have. And for better or worse, the same applies to people who have MI. How would any of us, who struggle with MI, feel to have an actor go "Well, I played 2-3 characters with MI but it's time to move one and do roles to become a better actor" it sounds... bad, doesn't it? We all get what they mean but at the same time it can be insensitive because all MI people are not the same and their stories are worth to tell in the world. Same for BL roles. None is putting a knife around the necks of these actors when they decided to take on non-straight roles, and while wanting away from toxic fans is a legit reason, at the same time try to be more sensitive to some of the roles you play because sadly, there are groups out there in society who have it hard because of who they are.

As for the other part, I am not sad at all when my favourite actors/actresses do different roles. In contrast: I get very excited to see them do something new and different, because if someone can have the ability, capacity and opportunity to do more, then that profession is Art regardless of which field. I don't want to hold any of them down and keep doing what I want them too; I respect their profession and their hard work but at the same time I will also criticize their words and actions in regards to some topics.

I was planning to watch S2 until I found out what Perth and Mean said (Plan also agreed with them if I am not wrong) and what happened with Saint. Sadly, as an LGBTQ+ person I am disappointed. I get that the BL industry sucks, the fandoms can be super toxic and the high school setting can get boring after a while but lakorns are pretty much the same (story-wise) so the only exclusions here are crime, mystery and supernatural stuff which the BL world is seriously lacking and I hope in the upcoming months/years will start to change.

That being said, I don't like how the fans support these straight actors when they say stuff like "I won't do BL anymore because I want do grow as an actor". I am sorry for my wording but that's such a BS. BL is not an inferior genre; in fact it includes all the stuff straight romance does minus the coming out plots which is essential and important part of the non-straight characters. As I said, I get that the BL industry needs to look deeper in their issues, including ironically homophobia, but I also don't get why fans of these actors support them when they say stuff like that. Why don't these actors call out the industry instead? I will tell you why: they don't want to lose their fans, fame and money coming from it. So many of them took BL roles as a stepping stone to become rich and famous and once they achieve that, they disregard all that by saying "I won't do BL anymore. Maybe one day in the future if I need money and only with the partner of my ship". I can't believe people are falling for that excuse and then yell to others "We as fans should respect them and allow them to say and do as they please". Come back and tell me that when an actor says the same about a straight role, I dare you.

At the same time you have actors like this one https://twitter.com/LazySubber/status/1236279454936313858 or Saint, Bright, Singto etc to name a few who respect their job and don't see BL as limiting their capacity to work as an actor but rather just a different story to work with and explore as an artist. So instead, maybe you should all read their words and support people like them who respect BL instead of some guys who only use it as a stepping stone for their careers. BL industry is also suffering with that shitty fanservice they are making the actors go through. It's fine once in a while but too much creates toxic fans who don't know their limits. If some actors want out of it, I get it but I don't like how they come out and announce in the world how they are stopping BL to become "better actors".

Anyways, you are all free to enjoy what you want and continue watching and supporting who you want. But also don't lose your individual judgement to excuse some of what these actors say about BL and if some fans feel disappointed or angry about what they said in regards how they view BL, then let us be. Maybe if you all heard why some of us are angry instead of your "did/said nothing wrong" straight actors, you would understand that people can be held accountable on their words.