I haven't read the novel so maybe that’s why I’m not quite understanding the VegasPete relationship; like,…
I'll drop my analysis here, hope it helps.
Pete and Vegas are both people who protect their hearts, they have chains locked around their emotions so it's hard for them to define any of this. They are closed off to the world and maybe they will be each other's freedom but it starts as an understanding. Vegas is currently seeking validation so he doesn't want to hurt Pete because he is the only one who can provide it. He unlocks something new and exciting far from reality and beyond heaven but not hell. It's again something right but at the same time wrong. Their relationship simply can't be described in black and white. The last close-up in ep 12 is very important with Pete is smiling like he feels fulfilled about unlocking this side of him, he finally allowed his dark side to come to the surface and it's clear he feels liberated.
The dynamic between these two characters is too complex to decipher. Both of them wear professional crafted masks. Vegas is a psycho seemingly without empathy. Pete, on the other hand, is a ray of sunshine with a layer of darkness underneath. Pete's desires are covered and Vegas is bringing them to the surface, we can already see that in episode 11-- he physically reacts when Vegas licks his face, his eyes close, he is shivering under vegas's tongue. Pete feels connected to Vegas because of his own childhood, they are bonding over their trauma and Vegas is reticent to connect with Pete but the chains are already tied between them both and there is no escape any more. Both Vegas and Pete will cave in irrevocably. And we can see the last drop of their self control when the hedgehog dies. Pete chooses to console him and Vegas willingly let's him. When Vegas hurts himself, Pete is finally discovering the unseen hatred he has towards himself and he tries to reason with him without success until Vegas brings his layered, cold behavior out again. He tries to lure Pete in a new game thinking he won't play along but Pete surprises him and takes the lead, easily winning. Vegas uses his body as a catalyst and it's electrifying. Their body language lays everything they feel bare for the audience to see. They are tiying the chains around them tighter, they strengthen their connection through physical attachment. An other thing I want to point out is Vegas's blood type. AB means universal receiver, he will take any love he can get because he's that starved for it and Pete's blood type is O which means universal donar, he has the capacity of loving anyone and this is a clear metaphor for the receiving dynamics and I admire the details in the show.
His father also plays a role in their dynamic, Kan is truly malicious, he knows hedgehogs have an incredibly short lifespan yet he chooses to give Vegas something to bind himself to, only to have it snatched from him again and again. Vegas is starved for affection and his father can easily see that, he knows Vegas will hang by anything that is willing to give him a drop of love and kan continues to gift him these pets in order to have him roll in the same path of grief over and over again.
In the end Vegas is the one who is trapped. The same man who likes to be ahead of everyone, who is calculated enough to over do everyone, simply doesn't know what to do anymore. He is scared. He is actually afraid of the consequences because it'll all be like a chain reaction. He is the vulnerable one despite being free, he may not have physical restraints but I assure you his head is in a cage.
Now compared to the novel, their story seems to go faster than the speedlight, it's extremely rushed which is why I don't think that what they currently have can be called "love".
I don't think it's anything rational to begin with. To me it seems like they developed an emotional support that they gradually got addicted to. Vegas is layered with so much affection but there is an unabashed violence to this because of his trauma as for Pete, he seems to free himself into chains, he was masked with this fake appearance his entire life and now Vegas undressed him, leaving his dark side exposed and Pete can finally be himself. Vegas is the other way around, he can be evil when he pleases but his sensitivity must be hidden from the world, with Pete he is able to let it out.
They are literally like Yin and Yang. They need each other for balance. Pete needs Vegas to be dark and Vegas needs Pete to be light. It's not love, it's balance.
The scene where Pete was "eating" the ramyeon and breaks down crying reminded me that he is alone, no one really knows him beside Vegas. No one really cares for him either, you can argue that Porsche is one of those people but considering that after he witnessed the damage on Pete's body and still decided to sell his best friend to the man who abused him for some information proves that Porsche is selfish and he never once returned the deep love Pete has for him, in fact to me it's not even mutual.
Vegas and Pete can't kill each other because if one of them dies, the other will crumble. If one of them is hurt the other one will shatter in pain. That's why Pete couldn't pull the trigger.
They honestly broke my heart, together & individually. Vegas is constantly reminded of his lack of worth and when he finally stood up to his father he was pushed right back in the corner. And did you see how joyful he was when preparing that food? It was so detailed and well thought only to be thrown away by his father.
Also can we talk about the tenderness with which vegas treats Pete in the moments where he lets himself be vulnerable? He looks at Pete like he's the most precious thing he's ever laid his eyes on, he touches him as if he was a fragile treasure that was too frail to break. Especially when he comes down from his anger and suddenly turns into a little puppy, you see his eyes change and you realize he is guided by his feelings for Pete.
Honestly, even though their story is going faster than expected it surprises me how three episodes managed to get me this invested, the writers are following through with all the angst and twisted devotion between them and it's truly gratifying to watch.
I think the development was carefully done and rightfully so because it's a very complex story and I'm glad they didn't present vegaspete as " in love " under these 3 episodes because like I said above, to me it's all about balance and addiction, it's something that has the potential of turning into love. I’m so happy both characters have been given adequate time to process their individual trauma and desires.
I think people are throwing this " Stockholm syndrome " way to easily on Pete. What they are diagnosing him with…
This sort of romance is aimed at and marketed to people who are meant to be mature enough to see it for what it is, and to distinguish between the morality and ethics of real life and those of a deeply immoral, fundamentally unethical fictional universe.
Realistically speaking pete would not be diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome for a variety of reasons so please…
Falling in love with your abuser isn't all what Stockholm syndrome is, there are many components to be added to this. This is what I mean when I say people are throwing this way to easily.
Realistically speaking pete would not be diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome for a variety of reasons so please…
I do have a very strong opinion on that because its a very serious condition and like I said down below I think people are throwing this " Stockholm syndrome " way to easily on Pete. What you are diagnosing him with is a coping mechanism to a captive or abusive situation. People develop positive feelings toward their captors or abusers over time. Pete has never once thought that what Vegas is doing is right, he acknowledges the bad behavior and even points it out when he calls him a psychopath, he is perfectly capable of going against Vegas and this alone already takes out the possibility of him having Stockholm Syndrome. Someone developing this would never try to escape and we see Pete doing that several times although he backed down to take care of Vegas, seeing him take the handcuffs off is already enough to know he has the capacity of running from his abuser. An other thing is that Pete is a trained bodyguard, he is stronger than you think, he himself tortured and killed people so this is not new, he knows how this works. Then there is their body language, Stockholm Syndrome IS A COPING MECHANISM and Pete is not helpless, in the contrary he has the power in this situation and Vegas is the one who is weak. HE KNOWS he needs to get away from Vegas -- He is not in denial.
The only argument here would be Trauma bonding but this thing occurs often so I don't consider it that significant. Usually the hostage parties develops negative feelings towards the one's that are attempting rescue them and this isn't the case because like I said, Pete tried to escape which is something a person with a Stockholm syndrome wouldn't do, not to that extend. Also these individuals are generally not harmed by their captors and may even be treated with kindness but we saw Vegas hurt Pete not just imprisoned him so it's really unlikely. I actually had a conversation about this with someone close to me, they are a psychologist and they confirmed that realistically speaking Pete does not show any signs of this syndrome besides trauma bonding but considering how common that is, its not that significant here therefore diagnosing him with it doesn't make sense.
I know I am in the minority. I am enjoying this series a lot but I just can't get behind Pete/Vegas. I can't erased…
Realistically speaking pete would not be diagnosed with Stockholm Syndrome for a variety of reasons so please don't throw that word around so easily ❤ and its okay if they make you uncomfortable, its a very, twisted complex story that's not made for everybody so I hope you can enjoy the other aspects of the show.
I'm curious about one thing and would like to ask your opinion about-"Does the whole VegasPete ship is an example…
I think people are throwing this " Stockholm syndrome " way to easily on Pete. What they are diagnosing him with is a coping mechanism to a captive or abusive situation. People develop positive feelings toward their captors or abusers over time. Pete has never once thought that what Vegas is doing is right, he acknowledges the bad behavior and even points it out when he calls him a psychopath, he is perfectly capable of going against Vegas and this alone already takes out the possibility of him having Stockholm Syndrome. Someone developing this would never try to escape and we see Pete doing that several times although he backed down to take care of Vegas, seeing him take the handcuffs off is already enough to know he has the capacity of running from his abuser. An other thing is that Pete is a trained bodyguard, he is stronger than you think, he himself tortured and killed people so this is not new, he knows how this works. Then there is their body language, Stockholm Syndrome IS A COPING MECHANISM and Pete is not helpless, in the contrary he has the power in this situation and Vegas is the one who is weak. HE KNOWS he needs to get away from Vegas -- He is not in denial.
The only argument here would be Trauma bonding but this thing occurs often so I don't consider it that significant. Usually the hostage parties develops negative feelings towards the one's that are attempting rescue them and this isn't the case because like I said, Pete tried to escape which is something a person with a Stockholm syndrome wouldn't do, not to that extend. Also these individuals are generally not harmed by their captors and may even be treated with kindness but we saw Vegas hurt Pete not just imprisoned him so it's really unlikely. After all it's a fictional character so people making this assumption is okay but I don't think they have any source of material to justify it as a fact like many tried before. If that's their perspective then that's fine but realistically speaking Pete would not be diagnosed with it.
Many of us analyzed how vegas weaponized his trauma into a violent sense of abuse, but I'm seeing a lot of people are quite baffled getting to know the dark side of pete which Vegas easily brings to the surface. I believe you all were blinded by his appearance but his tattoo says it all "no legacy is so rich as honesty"
Although vegas is starved for achievement, Pete is different because he actually won the battle, but that didn't matter and it still doesn't. He contributes to his surroundings daily yet he’s never actually seen. He puts so much emotional labor in every friendship but he’s still secondary to their choices, no one will put him first because everyone who he already knows has a special number 1 so he is never the main character.
Pete is not getting recognized no matter the effort just like Vegas although the circumstances differ, the situations are the same. I mean we already witnessed it, Pete can disappear and the people who claim to love him wouldn’t even notice until the maniac of the house brings it up ( no hate to khun, he's an icon and possibly the smartest one around ) my point is that Pete keeps being the wingman to others, he's always somewhere in the background, solving the problems for everyone.
While yes, he is loved by tankhun who was the only one to actually give a shit while he was gone, he’s still a subordinate and not a friend and at the end of the day even khun doesn't know him, he's attached to Pete because he's the only one reliable enough to spend time with him and give him the joy he needs
He puts his heart in everything and yet it's never compensated, the sad thing is that he doesn't even expect anything in return, he just does it with no reward but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t crave actknowledgement , he just keeps quiet about it because he's afraid of feeling like a burden, he's just here to spread smiles after all.
Making other's happy is the most familiar thing he knows but deep down he is also needy for more because he is still suffering from his father's abuse, he can’t distance himself from the violence, I mean it's his whole environment considering the job he chose for himself. It's the only thing making him feel alive, he’s so greedy for the slightest recognizion that even torture feeds his need.
He’s so used to finding patterns in people in order to make them smile that he easily breaks through Vegas's wall, he didn't comfort him because he cares for him, it was an instinct which gradually grew into something else once he started to get attached and vegas is so caught up with the idea that someone understood him that he starts seeing pete as an extension of him so he starts projecting this into little actions that moves pete’s heart.
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Pete and Vegas are both people who protect their hearts, they have chains locked around their emotions so it's hard for them to define any of this. They are closed off to the world and maybe they will be each other's freedom but it starts as an understanding. Vegas is currently seeking validation so he doesn't want to hurt Pete because he is the only one who can provide it. He unlocks something new and exciting far from reality and beyond heaven but not hell. It's again something right but at the same time wrong. Their relationship simply can't be described in black and white. The last close-up in ep 12 is very important with Pete is smiling like he feels fulfilled about unlocking this side of him, he finally allowed his dark side to come to the surface and it's clear he feels liberated.
The dynamic between these two characters is too complex to decipher. Both of them wear professional crafted masks. Vegas is a psycho seemingly without empathy. Pete, on the other hand, is a ray of sunshine with a layer of darkness underneath. Pete's desires are covered and Vegas is bringing them to the surface, we can already see that in episode 11-- he physically reacts when Vegas licks his face, his eyes close, he is shivering under vegas's tongue. Pete feels connected to Vegas because of his own childhood, they are bonding over their trauma and Vegas is reticent to connect with Pete but the chains are already tied between them both and there is no escape any more. Both Vegas and Pete will cave in irrevocably. And we can see the last drop of their self control when the hedgehog dies. Pete chooses to console him and Vegas willingly let's him. When Vegas hurts himself, Pete is finally discovering the unseen hatred he has towards himself and he tries to reason with him without success until Vegas brings his layered, cold behavior out again. He tries to lure Pete in a new game thinking he won't play along but Pete surprises him and takes the lead, easily winning. Vegas uses his body as a catalyst and it's electrifying. Their body language lays everything they feel bare for the audience to see. They are tiying the chains around them tighter, they strengthen their connection through physical attachment. An other thing I want to point out is Vegas's blood type. AB means universal receiver, he will take any love he can get because he's that starved for it and Pete's blood type is O which means universal donar, he has the capacity of loving anyone and this is a clear metaphor for the receiving dynamics and I admire the details in the show.
His father also plays a role in their dynamic, Kan is truly malicious, he knows hedgehogs have an incredibly short lifespan yet he chooses to give Vegas something to bind himself to, only to have it snatched from him again and again. Vegas is starved for affection and his father can easily see that, he knows Vegas will hang by anything that is willing to give him a drop of love and kan continues to gift him these pets in order to have him roll in the same path of grief over and over again.
In the end Vegas is the one who is trapped. The same man who likes to be ahead of everyone, who is calculated enough to over do everyone, simply doesn't know what to do anymore. He is scared. He is actually afraid of the consequences because it'll all be like a chain reaction. He is the vulnerable one despite being free, he may not have physical restraints but I assure you his head is in a cage.
Now compared to the novel, their story seems to go faster than the speedlight, it's extremely rushed which is why I don't think that what they currently have can be called "love".
I don't think it's anything rational to begin with. To me it seems like they developed an emotional support that they gradually got addicted to. Vegas is layered with so much affection but there is an unabashed violence to this because of his trauma as for Pete, he seems to free himself into chains, he was masked with this fake appearance his entire life and now Vegas undressed him, leaving his dark side exposed and Pete can finally be himself. Vegas is the other way around, he can be evil when he pleases but his sensitivity must be hidden from the world, with Pete he is able to let it out.
They are literally like Yin and Yang. They need each other for balance. Pete needs Vegas to be dark and Vegas needs Pete to be light. It's not love, it's balance.
The scene where Pete was "eating" the ramyeon and breaks down crying reminded me that he is alone, no one really knows him beside Vegas. No one really cares for him either, you can argue that Porsche is one of those people but considering that after he witnessed the damage on Pete's body and still decided to sell his best friend to the man who abused him for some information proves that Porsche is selfish and he never once returned the deep love Pete has for him, in fact to me it's not even mutual.
Vegas and Pete can't kill each other because if one of them dies, the other will crumble. If one of them is hurt the other one will shatter in pain. That's why Pete couldn't pull the trigger.
They honestly broke my heart, together & individually. Vegas is constantly reminded of his lack of worth and when he finally stood up to his father he was pushed right back in the corner. And did you see how joyful he was when preparing that food? It was so detailed and well thought only to be thrown away by his father.
Also can we talk about the tenderness with which vegas treats Pete in the moments where he lets himself be vulnerable? He looks at Pete like he's the most precious thing he's ever laid his eyes on, he touches him as if he was a fragile treasure that was too frail to break. Especially when he comes down from his anger and suddenly turns into a little puppy, you see his eyes change and you realize he is guided by his feelings for Pete.
Honestly, even though their story is going faster than expected it surprises me how three episodes managed to get me this invested, the writers are following through with all the angst and twisted devotion between them and it's truly gratifying to watch.
I think the development was carefully done and rightfully so because it's a very complex story and I'm glad they didn't present vegaspete as " in love " under these 3 episodes because like I said above, to me it's all about balance and addiction, it's something that has the potential of turning into love. I’m so happy both characters have been given adequate time to process their individual trauma and desires.
The only argument here would be Trauma bonding but this thing occurs often so I don't consider it that significant. Usually the hostage parties develops negative feelings towards the one's that are attempting rescue them and this isn't the case because like I said, Pete tried to escape which is something a person with a Stockholm syndrome wouldn't do, not to that extend. Also these individuals are generally not harmed by their captors and may even be treated with kindness but we saw Vegas hurt Pete not just imprisoned him so it's really unlikely. I actually had a conversation about this with someone close to me, they are a psychologist and they confirmed that realistically speaking Pete does not show any signs of this syndrome besides trauma bonding but considering how common that is, its not that significant here therefore diagnosing him with it doesn't make sense.
The only argument here would be Trauma bonding but this thing occurs often so I don't consider it that significant. Usually the hostage parties develops negative feelings towards the one's that are attempting rescue them and this isn't the case because like I said, Pete tried to escape which is something a person with a Stockholm syndrome wouldn't do, not to that extend. Also these individuals are generally not harmed by their captors and may even be treated with kindness but we saw Vegas hurt Pete not just imprisoned him so it's really unlikely. After all it's a fictional character so people making this assumption is okay but I don't think they have any source of material to justify it as a fact like many tried before. If that's their perspective then that's fine but realistically speaking Pete would not be diagnosed with it.
Although vegas is starved for achievement, Pete is different because he actually won the battle, but that didn't matter and it still doesn't. He contributes to his surroundings daily yet he’s never actually seen. He puts so much emotional labor in every friendship but he’s still secondary to their choices, no one will put him first because everyone who he already knows has a special number 1 so he is never the main character.
Pete is not getting recognized no matter the effort just like Vegas although the circumstances differ, the situations are the same. I mean we already witnessed it, Pete can disappear and the people who claim to love him wouldn’t even notice until the maniac of the house brings it up ( no hate to khun, he's an icon and possibly the smartest one around ) my point is that Pete keeps being the wingman to others, he's always somewhere in the background, solving the problems for everyone.
While yes, he is loved by tankhun who was the only one to actually give a shit while he was gone, he’s still a subordinate and not a friend and at the end of the day even khun doesn't know him, he's attached to Pete because he's the only one reliable enough to spend time with him and give him the joy he needs
He puts his heart in everything and yet it's never compensated, the sad thing is that he doesn't even expect anything in return, he just does it with no reward but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t crave actknowledgement , he just keeps quiet about it because he's afraid of feeling like a burden, he's just here to spread smiles after all.
Making other's happy is the most familiar thing he knows but deep down he is also needy for more because he is still suffering from his father's abuse, he can’t distance himself from the violence, I mean it's his whole environment considering the job he chose for himself. It's the only thing making him feel alive, he’s so greedy for the slightest recognizion that even torture feeds his need.
He’s so used to finding patterns in people in order to make them smile that he easily breaks through Vegas's wall, he didn't comfort him because he cares for him, it was an instinct which gradually grew into something else once he started to get attached and vegas is so caught up with the idea that someone understood him that he starts seeing pete as an extension of him so he starts projecting this into little actions that moves pete’s heart.