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All these ML's are unique, then they fall in love and turn into idiots.

Just take this ML in this drama.
What is his goal at the start of the drama? Do we even remember it anymore?
He is text book definition of simp. Just watch the preview, he is now cleaning FL feet.

Another asian drama withML who turns into a simp.
And another asian drama where all the men in the drama are in love with the FL.

Kdramas seems to be picking up the worst of Cdramas and copying them recently.

All this Cdrama shitty stuff is really not necessary in this drama since there is a lot of story to be explored but I guess Simpy ML and super popular FL sells rather than progressing the story.

Episode 11 was all but a filler with multiple men simping after the FL. Literally nothing happens in this episode.

must have seen similar FL and ML in a dozen other fantsay Cdramas.
These 2 pretty much are exact copies from all those dramas.

Very clever use of symbolism in ep10.

This was a good episode,
bit of reflection and growth for the FL. As usual the episode was hilarious.

You make a valid point about FL having friendly feelings for 2ML, yes it is possible & the drama does not confirm either way.

I could very well be wrong but the fact does remain that her own things were more important for her than any perceived feelings or romance or whatever for the FL.

She carried his keepsake for years
and she also keeps wishing he recognized her.

It's true that her vengeance was more important for her.
Still, the drama confirms to the views in no ambiguous terms that the FL liked the 2ML for a long time. Otherwise, she would not have carried the wooden flute so long and even learn to play it.

On top of that there are number of interactions between FL and 2ML, which you don't see ML having with other girls.

All I am saying is that there is a love triangle,
The end game seems to be ML and FL but right now the established feelings are between FL and 2ML.
The FL does care for ML a lot and her feelings could change to him but there is no romantic interactions between them like the drama shows between FL and 2ML in the flashbacks.

Well, the drama has shown FL and 2ML loved each other in the flashbacks
The drama also shows significant number of interactions between FL and 2ML.

They did have feelings for each other for long time.

The FL is a difficult place but all we are doing is talking about feelings & what is being shown in the drama is a love triangle, even if no dating is happening.

It is already a love triangle.

The amount of flashbacks of FL and 2ML as well as the writers giving them significant interactions point to a heavy love triangle.

in contrast, you don't see ML having similar interactions with other girls, like the FL is having with the 2ML.

So, the main triangle in this story is FL, ML and the 2ML with FL and 2ML having a history of being in love. In fact FL does seem to have quite a bit of feelings for the 2ML as well at this point, since she carried the wooden flute he made for a lot of years.

Nothing wrong in not liking a drama.

The amount of dramas I have skewered on these very forums....
Just as example, go and read my comments on 'A Business Proposal'...i practically dragged the drama on coals.

While I whole-heartedly wish she understands what she has done as wrong and make amends, I doubt the drama would go that way.

Cdramas and some Kdramas have a very skewed take on ML's getting beaten or their suffering.

Reading many of the opinions here, though a microcosm, i suspect, reflects the opinions of the broader audience of these dramas - which is an appetite for these kinds of things being shown in the drama.
the phase 'I want to him to suffer more' when referring to the ML is pretty common.

I can name 2-3 Cdramas currently running where the FL assaulted the ML & these dramas do not make the FL realize what she did was not right.

The examples you mentioned all bad & if the drama makes the viewers aware that these actions of the characters are bad, that's good enough in the context of a drama.

Imagine if the FL got slapped repeatedly by the ML & the drama then shows FL making loving eyes towards the ML and declaring her love for the ML no matter what...
That's where the drama looses it & this is pretty much what is happening in current Cdramas and Kdramas but in reversal.

The underlying theme in these dramas seems to be, assaulting, slapping and abusing the ML by the FL is socially ok. The overtone window on this has shifted since these dramas never reflect on these assaults and show growth of characters.

I have been watching Kdramas and Cdramas for over a year now, I have not seen ML slapping FL. Not sure of older dramas though.

Yes, ML do act like jackasses towards the FL but the drama always shows consequences of ML being a jackass. Also, being a jackass in these dramas is not just limited to ML.
It's a behavior ark, where the characters are made to realize the shitty things they did & grow. It is not shown as 'power'. At least to viewers it is never shown as power.
Regarding consequences, it need not be jail or person slapping back but a realization of what they did is wrong and making amends is all that is needed.

I have zero issues with how the FL is portrayed in this particular drama or even towards the ML.

but the drama that kind of put me off was 'Why her'. the FL is angry and the ML is just near her and she proceeds to repeatedly slaps him.
The second drama is 'Cafe Minamdang', which frankly has a funny tone to the violence and is not shown malicious.
there are currently 2-3 Kdramas running that has the FL physically assaulting the ML.
Now show me one drama running or may be that has been released this year that has the ML slapping the FL. I might have missed it, so, genuinely want to know.

You are contradicting yourself.

You say violence like this is always wrong

And then you belittle the person pointing to the wrong since the wrong has literally no consequences in the drama.

Point is not about the violence, as you mentioned, it is part and parcel of any drama. What is discussed is the complete lack of consequences for these actions.

lastly, I did not realize slapping some one just because you can is called 'power'. What next? raping or murdering someone is also 'power'?

While that may be, it still is a point that can and should be discussed.

you got the core of the argument wrong.

It is ok for a drama to show the FL or any female character hitting ML or other men,
it is also ok for a drama to show ML or any male character hitting FL or other women.

I am not saying it is ok for men and women to hit each other...

point being - it is ok for a drama to show it as part of the narrative to build the story. Some dramas do deal with subjects like abuse, rape, murder, torture etc. While the acts are condoned in real life, in a drama they can be part of story telling with logical consequences like punishment or karma biting them back

What the original post was pointing at is the casual attitude of the drama to slapping by the FL on the ML.
If in a drama it was the ML slapping the FL because he can, we would naturally want the ML to suffer some consequence for his actions. At the least a kick to his balls.
Similarly for the story to make any sense, the slapping by FL should have some consequences being brought on her.
What seem to be happening in recent Kdramas is that this violence by the FL is never addressed in terms of consequences for her.

Drama is different to real life. A drama needs to be logical. Characters actions need to have consequences, otherwise the drama does not have continuity as well logic.

I call them dildo ML. Their whole existence is to make the FL better.
These dildo ML's are pretty common in Cdramas.

Unfortunately they seem to be making their way into Kdramas as well.

Agreed.

FL or ML do not need to fit into patterns of what we 'want'.
They need to be interesting to make the story line appealing and engaging.

Add to that the ML simped for the FL for 80k years & for the FL, he was like third or fourth on the list of important people.
The ML was willing to die for the FL while she was pretty much meh about their love and chooses to forget it. The best was when she goes on a drinking bing when the ML dies, just like how she gets drunk when her first boyfriend cheats on her.