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Like, I enjoyed the first 2 episodes, but something clearly isn't working here. I don't quite know how to say it, but I'm missing the energy here. A fantasy/ action drama that's only 8 episodes shouldn't feel this low in energy or excitement. Looking at the posters, you'd think this would be something epic, but even if they don't have the budget for that, a drama like this should be way more exciting than it currently is.

The comedy remains but the drama does get more serious as it goes on.

Honestly, that complaint is so weird to me. Like, the whole premise is also literally about them making an erotic movie, so I don't know what people were expecting. I'd get it if the whole drama was full of nudity, therefore becoming guilty of the exact thing it's trying to criticize, but it's not.

This one snuck up on me. I'm not really sure what I was expecting, aside from more of what the trailer had, but I ended up quite liking this and the story it was trying to tell. It's not perfect, but I certainly liked it more than I thought I would.

Remake.

I, and somebody else, have literally already tried explaining this. Stop treating this as something that's equal, because sadly, it is not. How can they even begin to be equal if barely any BL's & GL's exist? Trying to pretend this is equal is just ignorant. Straight romances are the norm, while same-sex romances are considered a minority. Straight people don't need representation, because they already have it, literally everywhere, so trying to push this into BL's & GL's is quite frankly just ignorant and stupid.

That's not to say that straight romances can't exist in BL's & GL's, but they obviously cannot be the focus. But that's not relevant here.

And before you say that the straight romance is the focus here, you don't know that. The premise, promotions, and even the actor billing, suggest that the focus lies on the relationship between the two women.

But here's the funny thing: it may be described as friendship, but the second the drama includes even the slightest bit of queer subtext between the two, your entire argument becomes utterly pointless. Because, after all, how can you blame people for shipping something if the drama plays into it themselves? I don't know if this will happen, but neither do you.

And with that, I've said everything I needed to say. And I hope this will be the end of it.

The tone and wording of your initial comment say everything, as do all your comments since then. And as I said before: you're trying to push for equality in a situation that is completely inequal to begin with. Straight Korean romances are numerous, and they are everywhere. BL & GL Korean dramas are not, since they barely exist. They are a rare thing, straight romances are not. Trying to treat these things as if they are the same simply does not work. Somebody else has already pointed this out to you as well.

Also, please, can we just stop arguing at this point, and let the drama speak for itself? Because neither you nor I have any idea as to how this drama is going to go. All we know at this point is that there are two women, a guy, and a love triangle. Nothing more, nothing less. Arguing like we already know the exact dynamics between these characters is pointless.

Uhm, you do know you're the one that started an argument in the first place by trying to paint GL fans as the bad guys for even daring to ship the two leads together before the drama even aired? Also, mind you, the drama is literally about these two women, and at this point everything points to that actually being the focus while the straight romance you keep yelling about is a secondary thing.

Also, let's be clear, neither you nor I have any right to decide what people can and cannot ship. And frankly, even daring to use the word "inappropriate" in this scenario is honestly pretty inappropriate.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say though. But people have a right to want to see themselves reflected into pieces of media. That leads to a variety of content, and that's only a good thing. Normal relationships shouldn't always be forced into something sexual, but that certainly goes both ways. Put a boy & a girl together, and some people will always ship it, or ask for romance, even if the focus is friendship. However, as you said, the same does certainly apply when it comes to same-gender relationships. But that's exactly where a problem comes in: it's kinda hard to say "well, just go watch a BL/ GL kdrama" if people wanna turn the relationship between two people of the same gender into something sexual when those dramas barely exist.

This was a crazy, messed up, thrill ride and I loved every second of it. You could probably argue about a lot of specifics, but the drama wasn't really interested in that, and honestly, neither was I. The kids fought for survival, and their future, and I'm really happy that they won. I'm gonna miss this family.

All right, this is getting pointless. I was talking about dramas, a balance is needed because clearly there's an audience for everything, but they're not even trying to strike a balance. Also, people are free to ship who they want to ship (also, a straight romance tag is not a thing iirc). Let the drama speak for itself, getting upset that people might ship the two leads together (in a drama that is literally about their bond in the first place) in a drama that hasn't even aired yet is just pointless.

You made 3 replies and 90% of what you said is about stuff I never said in the first place. Anyway, friendships between men & women do very much exist, and while you could say this is more normalized in real life, the same doesn't seem to apply to dramas, as that's mostly just romance.

We do need more BL's & GL's (and, no, I'm not saying it's this), but we also need more platonic friendships (and that needs to go both ways, not just between two people of the same sex). Generally, there needs to be some kind of balance, but that balance is sadly non-existent.

I don't think it's that simple honestly. People want to see GL & BL stories from Korea, except those barely exist. So people obviously flock to stories about "deep friendships" (and not related to this drama, but it wouldn't be the first time that "deep friendship" was just a cover for something else).

Platonic relationships do exist, and we certainly need more of it, but why does this argument always pop up when it's about two people of the same sex. When it's about a guy & a girl, people will very easily ship it, romantic or not, yet this argument will barely be used. But suddenly when you have 2 guys, or two women, the "they're just friends" argument will immediately pop up the second the drama is announced. Heck, even when it's very clear that what's happening is more than friendship, some people will still keep saying "they're just friends".

This argument is frustrating, because it's also used as a cover for something else (you know what). It's always used in one scenario, but when you put a guy and a girl together, suddenly this argument becomes very quiet. Why is that? Isn't that the problem?

At first thought, a survival game feels kind of out of left field, but thinking about it, it feels perfectly on track with Se-hui. This feels exactly like something she'd do just to prove a point in the most messed up way possible.

The last episode looks like pure chaos. I'm scared. Hopefully they manage to stick the landing.

Honestly? One of my favorite dramas this year. A slice-of-life drama about lawyers that gave me all the emotions.

Could've done without the whole Hong Kong part though. It's like somebody told the writer to add it in despite him never actually having any plans for it in the first place. It just ended up feeling so out of place, almost like it was from different drama.

I never said they were gonna love each other romantically though. Yes, there will be a love triangle, and yes, they will probably both be involved with the same guy, but that doesn't mean that the friendship between the two female leads can't have a certain kind of subtext to it (just look at 25-21 for example). People are free to ship who they want to ship, and dramas often invite this themselves to begin with.

I'm trying to prove that you're using assumptions and pretending that they're fact, when neither you nor I actually know the facts. We don't know if this is just a straight romance, nor do we know if this is just a friendship. All we have is the premise, and a premise rarely says everything. You're trying so hard to prove that there won't be any GL elements here, when you literally can't know that, and yet you're already painting everybody that may want to see those elements as the bad guys. And this is the last thing I'm saying about this, because this is getting us nowhere.

When are straight romances ever not respected in kdramas? Like, for crying out loud, it's literally the only thing they do. Why are you so threatened that people might ship the two female leads, when you haven't even seen a second of their dynamic, hence you can't realistically claim to know that what they have is just friendship? Romance is a broad genre, it doesn't automatically mean "straight", just as "friendship" isn't always just friendship. Dramas love subtext after all. And why wouldn't people want BL & GL ships in a romance (it's not like there's much alternative), and who's to say the dramas aren't actually playing into that themselves?

Isn't this just an extremely flawed argument? You're trying to push for equality in a situation that is completely inequal to begin with. That just doesn't work. You can't push a straight romance in something that doesn't even exist. There's literally a bigger chance to have GL/ BL elements in a straight drama than there is of actually having a GL/ BL kdrama in general.