Go ahead and write your Pro Dosan post, no one is going to attack you for it. They may argue the other side, but…
instead of blaming the majority here for loving HJP why dont you find the reason why most people love him and prefer him over the male lead? its not like HJP is played by a more or equally famous actor with tremendous fan following or HJP as a character was heavily promoted off screen... the entire teaser and promotion were completely focused on dalmi and dosan... unlike cheese in the trap where the majority of the screentime was dedicated to the 2nd lead, startup dont even give that much screentime to HJP except for the first episode...
the simple truth is the writer failed to make dosan a more interesting character than HJP... dosan is not the only sweet innocent not so rich kdrama leads... infact almost all the leads in current kdramas are like him... kang haneul won people's heart by playing a country pumpkin.. dosan here atleast is an extra ordinary genius... there were characters with literally nothing special to them and still managed to attract the attention of the audience...
I'm curious. I don't see how HE is the toxic one, enlighten me.
SST before joining sandbox had no business model or plan or even a proper presentation to attract any investors and behaved like they deserve an investor... when SST asked hjp to invest in sst in return of helping with dalmi the first two times he rejected it politely and its only after them going out of line he lost his cool... he came there to ask for a personal favor and the guys were trying to get professional advantage... anyone would have behaved the same way HJP behaved... the next time he came and helped them from getting conned and told them they arent meant to run a business which is true... none of the 3 knew even the basic of how to run a business... he even told them to go back to being engineers( which they are now)... also when the guys said he should be thankful to them hjp said sorry and thanked them... when dosan asked him to guide him he told( in a very normal manner) to step down as the ceo and find someone who knows the job... there was nothing negative in it... he gave a good advice... HJP only harshly criticized their way of doing business and not their coding skills.. then he criticized them for the way they distributed the shares... no one can blame him for that... even ametures would have done a better job... even after him telling the importance of a ceo wanting the max shares, dalmi and dosan were being emotional rather than making a rational and professional decision... the share holding they came up with was not at all practical... dalmi is lucky that dosan is madly in love with her... her not having enough share is also the reason why alex didnt show any sort of respect towards her... HJP never criticised the idea of noongil but he stopped them from proceeding from it because its a non profitable project and SST as a startup cannot afford to run it... he as a mentor was warning them not to go ahead with it... they finally got the morning group as investors solely because of blackmailing and not because of anything else... dalmi was able to blackmail the ceo only because HJP warned her... even after his relationship with dosan hit rock bottom and yongsan blaming him for his brother's death, HJP still tried his best to stop the contract... he didnt even once thought that the contract will help separate dalmi and dosan... if he wanted he could have stayed quite and pretend like he didnt even knew about the contract but he didnt... even when they completely screwed up he still went to check on them... he showed them the reality only because yongsan asked him to and dalmi also asked him to continue... there was no apparent reason for dosan to hit HJP other than letting out his own frustration... dosan and yongsan are still not ready to accept the fact that SST disbanded because of their carelessness...
also you are taking as if HJP was the only one belittling SST... what about all the time the 3 guys taked harshly towards HJP? physically trying to stop him from meeting their ceo multiple times, dosan being rude towards him even when he was trying to be nice to him just out of jealousy, forcefully taking his phone, cornering him in the elevator and hitting him for their own stupidity... HJP not even once tried to put his hands on any of the guys...
I'm curious. I don't see how HE is the toxic one, enlighten me.
he was their mentor and he wasnt needed their... also as a judge he isnt gonna give them any special treatment and vote for them even if their presentation wasnt good... also its the duty of the mentee to tell the mentor about the contract and the new developments in the company... not the other way around... who would have though 5 fully grown adults will sell out an entire company in just one day? hjp is not psychic to predict the carelessness level of sst...
I'm curious. I don't see how HE is the toxic one, enlighten me.
the guy took a sick leave because a guy randomly attacked him on a lift and accused him of murder... it has nothing to do with sst giving their presentation... just before the lift scene he was giving out potential questions that can be asked and trying to calm dalmi down by saying he will be their plan b and dont stress out too much... if hjp wanted sst to fail then he wouldnt have warned them about the morning ceo, given out an entire list of potential investors and tried his maximum to stop the contract... he went to meet dalmi and dosan even after yongsan treated him like shit and accused him... if it was solely for dalmi he didnt had to go out of the way as he is fully powerful enough to help dalmi... he was trying to save SST as a whole group... he didnt even once thought that the contract will help in separating dalmi and dosan... only his words are harsh not his intentions... if he had ill intentions he wouldnt have tried to stop the contract from happening as it gives him a perfect opportunity to get close to dalmi...
I'm curious. I don't see how HE is the toxic one, enlighten me.
hjp also said to dosan to step down as the ceo and take someone else... they did and dalmi became the ceo... her presentation is the reason why sst got into sandbox... he told them they wont succeeds because apart from coding they dont have a design or a model for a business and dont even know how to make a presentation works... that all changed when dalmi and saha became part of it... he gave them reasons why they couldnt make it and even give them solutions as well... he was harsh but he was never wrong...
the thing is by ep 12 HJP is reflecting on his harsh tone whereas dosan is getting away with his temper... thats the difference..
In this week's episodes: a Gollum meets Smeagol moment, people walking on toward obvious danger while other people…
i was thinking that i have seen that scene of imoogi killing people just by his touch... now i remember where... that iconic entrance of death scene from supernatural...
I don't feel the need to justify my ratings or watching habits. But I don't rate things I never watched . Not…
look at the rating of 18 again and its iotnbo... also read the review... its mre like abusing the show and the actors than writing a review... its pretty obvious he/she havent seen a single episode of the show...
I also agree that the lives of others are more important than the live of individual. But if we put ourselves…
no they havent but neither did the gatekeeper... wouldnt he be more angry on imoogi if imoogi has anything to do with his son? he might not have as much power as the gatekeeper but he is a pretty powerful being... he knew how snail bride's husband looked like even without meeting him...
I also agree that the lives of others are more important than the live of individual. But if we put ourselves…
from lee yeon's pov he has every right to protect jiah but what i am saying is that the gatekeeper is also not in the wrong for choosing to kill jiah to end all those unwanted deaths...
the gatekeepers son wasnt killed... he committed suicide and thats why he cannot reincarnate... they till now has shown gatekeeper to be someone who dont bend the rules even if it involves people she likes... i dont think she would have let imoogi go simply because her son is imoogi... by killing jiah she is killing imoogi's soul... seeing gatekeer's soft corner for lee yeon there are more chances that lee yeon is her son... also if imoogi was in her son's body then her husband would have identified him... imoogi wasnt problematic till he lost the position to lee yeon as a mountain god.. i think he wont even be considered to be in that position if he was a troublemaker before that...
the gatekeeper is in a much higher position than lee yeon and imoogi... if she decides to use her power and have a face off with imoogi i think she will win... both the gatekeeper and her husband are immortals so his son might have also been an immortal... so if imoogi possesses an imortal's body why would he need lee yeon's body?
there is so much going on that i dont know what to expect from the show...
I saw a clip on 2d1n on YouTube and a fan was desperate to meet him... I also saw a clip of his getting massaged…
i agree that a lot of popular actors dont do variety shows in the fear of ruining their image... i remember jcw saying he dont do variety shows because his company said it will ruin his cool guy image and his mother said he looks dumb in variety shows... lol its the same for exo... the company wants to maintain a mysterious image for the group and every time they appear on a variety show they make sure to ruin it... lol
also the more famous they get the more their actions will be noticed and some will criticize them for no reason... so its better to stay away from public eyes as much as possible...
Just saw a clip from ep. 13, my heart hurt a lot ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ. Even after 3 years without dosan, dalmi still…
what else do you expect from the girl who was in love for 15 yrs with a guy who wrote her letters... she never even saw him and she didnt even doubt that he can be a she as well... lol this 3 yrs is nothing for dalmi... she dont know the word 'move on'...
I think the writer will call someone she worked with before if this happens..Preferably Park Shin Hye
kdramas rarely has onscreen couples with that great chemistry... i wish they reunite for a drama or a movie soon... nowadays kdramas started recasting same leads...
I saw a clip on 2d1n on YouTube and a fan was desperate to meet him... I also saw a clip of his getting massaged…
i forgot, i have seen some episodes of busted on netflix and thats solely because of my over for sehun... it had some hilarious scenes though... i guess that is the reason why variety shows have MCs who solely does variety shows like yoo jae seok and kwangsoo... kwangsoo even though acts in dramas/movies his characters are similar to his offscreen personality... for famous actors its hard to keep up with the schedule i guess...
dosan in no way a perfect character, he is still struggling and makes choices that may not be the best but that…
the problem with the character of dosan is he is not well written esp for a male lead... it has nothing to do with him not being the conventional kdrama male lead or a character with flaws because the recent trend in kdrama is to have unconventional and not so macho male leads... dosan is not a different character... he is the type of character that is in trend now... the male leads from when the camellia blooms, its okay to not be okay, backstreet rookies, flower of evil, 18 again etc dont belong to the typical kdrama leads... infact the leads from camellia blooms, iotnbo and BR didnt even had any special or extraordinary talents like dosan...they all were like the ordinary guys without anything special to brag about... none of these characters were perfect and all of them had flaws but they were written and acted in a way that made the audience root for them and accept them with their flaws... then the love story of the lead couple is also without a head or a tail... till now its not shown why dalmi likes dosan or when exactly dalmi started liking the present dosan instead of the dosan in the letters because till the truth of the letters were revealed she like the dosan from the letters more and she even admitted that to her grandma... the base of their relationship is very weak... one fell in love at first sight because of physical beauty and the other under false assumption... also at times their scenes together seem to forced and written just so that the leads will be together on screen... i am perfectly fine with male leads crying and i have seen characters in the above mention dramas crying in situations that normal kdrama male leads wont cry... but the scenes were dosan cries dont have any impact... the emotional depth of those scenes are very shallow... on the other hand whenever HJP cries in front of grandma it comes out as a strong scene because there is depth to the relationship b/w grandma and HJP...
dosan as a character started off well but went downhill as the episode passed and now after the leap its pretty obvious he will have all the qualities of the typical kdrama leads... so his character will no longer have anything different about him...
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its not like HJP is played by a more or equally famous actor with tremendous fan following or HJP as a character was heavily promoted off screen... the entire teaser and promotion were completely focused on dalmi and dosan...
unlike cheese in the trap where the majority of the screentime was dedicated to the 2nd lead, startup dont even give that much screentime to HJP except for the first episode...
the simple truth is the writer failed to make dosan a more interesting character than HJP... dosan is not the only sweet innocent not so rich kdrama leads... infact almost all the leads in current kdramas are like him... kang haneul won people's heart by playing a country pumpkin.. dosan here atleast is an extra ordinary genius... there were characters with literally nothing special to them and still managed to attract the attention of the audience...
the next time he came and helped them from getting conned and told them they arent meant to run a business which is true... none of the 3 knew even the basic of how to run a business... he even told them to go back to being engineers( which they are now)... also when the guys said he should be thankful to them hjp said sorry and thanked them...
when dosan asked him to guide him he told( in a very normal manner) to step down as the ceo and find someone who knows the job... there was nothing negative in it... he gave a good advice...
HJP only harshly criticized their way of doing business and not their coding skills..
then he criticized them for the way they distributed the shares... no one can blame him for that... even ametures would have done a better job... even after him telling the importance of a ceo wanting the max shares, dalmi and dosan were being emotional rather than making a rational and professional decision... the share holding they came up with was not at all practical... dalmi is lucky that dosan is madly in love with her... her not having enough share is also the reason why alex didnt show any sort of respect towards her...
HJP never criticised the idea of noongil but he stopped them from proceeding from it because its a non profitable project and SST as a startup cannot afford to run it... he as a mentor was warning them not to go ahead with it... they finally got the morning group as investors solely because of blackmailing and not because of anything else... dalmi was able to blackmail the ceo only because HJP warned her...
even after his relationship with dosan hit rock bottom and yongsan blaming him for his brother's death, HJP still tried his best to stop the contract... he didnt even once thought that the contract will help separate dalmi and dosan... if he wanted he could have stayed quite and pretend like he didnt even knew about the contract but he didnt... even when they completely screwed up he still went to check on them... he showed them the reality only because yongsan asked him to and dalmi also asked him to continue...
there was no apparent reason for dosan to hit HJP other than letting out his own frustration... dosan and yongsan are still not ready to accept the fact that SST disbanded because of their carelessness...
also you are taking as if HJP was the only one belittling SST... what about all the time the 3 guys taked harshly towards HJP? physically trying to stop him from meeting their ceo multiple times, dosan being rude towards him even when he was trying to be nice to him just out of jealousy, forcefully taking his phone, cornering him in the elevator and hitting him for their own stupidity...
HJP not even once tried to put his hands on any of the guys...
also its the duty of the mentee to tell the mentor about the contract and the new developments in the company... not the other way around... who would have though 5 fully grown adults will sell out an entire company in just one day? hjp is not psychic to predict the carelessness level of sst...
if hjp wanted sst to fail then he wouldnt have warned them about the morning ceo, given out an entire list of potential investors and tried his maximum to stop the contract... he went to meet dalmi and dosan even after yongsan treated him like shit and accused him... if it was solely for dalmi he didnt had to go out of the way as he is fully powerful enough to help dalmi... he was trying to save SST as a whole group... he didnt even once thought that the contract will help in separating dalmi and dosan... only his words are harsh not his intentions... if he had ill intentions he wouldnt have tried to stop the contract from happening as it gives him a perfect opportunity to get close to dalmi...
he told them they wont succeeds because apart from coding they dont have a design or a model for a business and dont even know how to make a presentation works... that all changed when dalmi and saha became part of it... he gave them reasons why they couldnt make it and even give them solutions as well...
he was harsh but he was never wrong...
the thing is by ep 12 HJP is reflecting on his harsh tone whereas dosan is getting away with his temper... thats the difference..
also read the review... its mre like abusing the show and the actors than writing a review... its pretty obvious he/she havent seen a single episode of the show...
wouldnt he be more angry on imoogi if imoogi has anything to do with his son?
he might not have as much power as the gatekeeper but he is a pretty powerful being... he knew how snail bride's husband looked like even without meeting him...
i am talking about rating a drama without watching a single episode...
the gatekeepers son wasnt killed... he committed suicide and thats why he cannot reincarnate... they till now has shown gatekeeper to be someone who dont bend the rules even if it involves people she likes... i dont think she would have let imoogi go simply because her son is imoogi... by killing jiah she is killing imoogi's soul... seeing gatekeer's soft corner for lee yeon there are more chances that lee yeon is her son... also if imoogi was in her son's body then her husband would have identified him...
imoogi wasnt problematic till he lost the position to lee yeon as a mountain god.. i think he wont even be considered to be in that position if he was a troublemaker before that...
the gatekeeper is in a much higher position than lee yeon and imoogi... if she decides to use her power and have a face off with imoogi i think she will win... both the gatekeeper and her husband are immortals so his son might have also been an immortal... so if imoogi possesses an imortal's body why would he need lee yeon's body?
there is so much going on that i dont know what to expect from the show...
its the same for exo... the company wants to maintain a mysterious image for the group and every time they appear on a variety show they make sure to ruin it... lol
also the more famous they get the more their actions will be noticed and some will criticize them for no reason... so its better to stay away from public eyes as much as possible...
this 3 yrs is nothing for dalmi... she dont know the word 'move on'...
i wish they reunite for a drama or a movie soon... nowadays kdramas started recasting same leads...
i guess that is the reason why variety shows have MCs who solely does variety shows like yoo jae seok and kwangsoo... kwangsoo even though acts in dramas/movies his characters are similar to his offscreen personality...
for famous actors its hard to keep up with the schedule i guess...
the male leads from when the camellia blooms, its okay to not be okay, backstreet rookies, flower of evil, 18 again etc dont belong to the typical kdrama leads... infact the leads from camellia blooms, iotnbo and BR didnt even had any special or extraordinary talents like dosan...they all were like the ordinary guys without anything special to brag about... none of these characters were perfect and all of them had flaws but they were written and acted in a way that made the audience root for them and accept them with their flaws...
then the love story of the lead couple is also without a head or a tail... till now its not shown why dalmi likes dosan or when exactly dalmi started liking the present dosan instead of the dosan in the letters because till the truth of the letters were revealed she like the dosan from the letters more and she even admitted that to her grandma... the base of their relationship is very weak... one fell in love at first sight because of physical beauty and the other under false assumption... also at times their scenes together seem to forced and written just so that the leads will be together on screen...
i am perfectly fine with male leads crying and i have seen characters in the above mention dramas crying in situations that normal kdrama male leads wont cry... but the scenes were dosan cries dont have any impact... the emotional depth of those scenes are very shallow... on the other hand whenever HJP cries in front of grandma it comes out as a strong scene because there is depth to the relationship b/w grandma and HJP...
dosan as a character started off well but went downhill as the episode passed and now after the leap its pretty obvious he will have all the qualities of the typical kdrama leads... so his character will no longer have anything different about him...