what was this last episode? i still don't understand why they decided to put a war zone plot in this... like,…
Argan arc - Technically, Argan was mentioned in ep 1 as this was the negotiation SE was handling during HJ's kidnapping but they messed up the execution of the storyline in ep 12 (not the best, but it was handled better in the novel instead of the rushed reunion in ep 12).
They could have thought things through or changed this plot though since there was an obvious bottle neck with the schedule timeline.
I think it's maybe due to something called "noblese oblige".Also, the ML's backstory included a similar role as…
It's probably a combination.
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It was a foolish thing for MBC and the writer to even consider using these names. Their silence as well as NF's lack of response just makes things worse.
You know what's insane to me?If the evil grandpa had had his granchild committed and taken the ML into his home…
Comitting the grandson would leave a paper trail that could lead back to the Baeks in their egotistical minds.
Having an illegitimate son too would be contraversial to his "sparklingc reputation specially at 55 (assuming the grandpa was 70 and SE was 15 during the flashback events)
Now even french translation is involved?At this point MBC should just apologize for/ address the whole fiasco…
Yesh they probably won't.
I'm trying to recall how they handled the KTL contraversy but for the life of me I can't recall if they actually ever put a statement or simply quietly removed the problematic scenes.
The episode count didn't change but I guess they ran out of screen time to flesh out the Argan arc better. For…
They messed up with the names ngl. Whether it was ignorance, a failed attempt at trying to be woke, or spew propoganda, they should have forseen the outburst since they know how netizens work.
It's true that the novel too had a war conflict but it was like a continuation of the Argan arc if I'm not mistaken (it's been awhile so I can't recall what exactly the war conflict was about ).
What the f just happened? So many wholes in this story.So if he is a son of his grandfather, who is his mother…
His mother isn't important to the story. The Chairman is a creep so wouldn't be surprised if he paid her off/ made her disappear the moment she gave birth to him
In SE's case, guess motherly love wasn't important to him since he's always been sorrounded by toxic mothers (Heeju's + his "mum"). You can't miss what you never had?
Now even french translation is involved?At this point MBC should just apologize for/ address the whole fiasco…
It's times like this you really wish if you truly understood the language honestly so you can decide for yourself.
Netflix will probably not address this issue. I saw on X that they are already under fire over something to do with Vietnam and Squid Games (no idea since I don't follow the series).
I really hate the way they translated and placed it though...the banner made it so clear and obvious but the way they phrased the subtitles just comes off as ambiguous.
Somebody said in below comment it was translated differently in French can anybody confirm this ?
Now even french translation is involved?
At this point MBC should just apologize for/ address the whole fiasco since they shouldn't have used the names in the first place- wouldn't hold my breath though for an answer.
Apparently even knetz can't agree on one translation right? And the more you look at the line, the more different interpretations come up. It's like everybody is right and wrong at the same time on what the message meant🙈
There’s no one intentionally pushing anything to boost the ratings; the issue arose simply because some people…
I see.
Yeah, what you said makes sense- unless it affects their profits, Netflix probably will not bat even an eye. MBC too unless it affects their future programs.
The only thing they can do is quietly remove the scene all together eventhough it's not going to help much.
Give it a go. They didn't understand the subs well.
It's not the first time Netflix translations genaralized the context behind a translation...🙈would be nice if they'd just fix it or mBC does something to clear the issue.
nice drama , recommended watching . i think 2 eps. have been reduced , because after getting delayed by 1 week…
The episode count didn't change but I guess they ran out of screen time to flesh out the Argan arc better.
For instance, there was a beautiful farewell line in the novel, they could have still used in the drama but they condensed it down simply to ".. i will find you" a little too early into the series to really feel the impact. (As a stand-alone, what SE said was great but since they made him disappear in the drama, they could have done more).
Give it a go. They didn't understand the subs well.
It's questionable if you don't understand the dialogue and you are watching the drama in 1.25 + speed as some do.
Breaking the subtitles into 2 parts instead of adding the full text in one screen can be misinterpretted as Paltima kidnapped the Koreans as well. If Netflix just simply said Izmael militants instead of "armed militants there" there will be no doubt on who the drama supports.
(Note : i didn't even notice the country names until it was brought up here since I was looking at Heeju's reactions instead of focussing on the subs so I only saw the second line about the hostage situation and not about the airstrike. I just assumed "militants there" were related to Argan🙈 Keeping the 2 lines together in one screen is important)
Give it a go. They didn't understand the subs well.
You are right but at this point I really don't think we'll get an official statement from either MBC or Netflix.
At worst they tried to push propoganda or at best (lesser evil), they tried to be woke by using current events but failed miserably by putting their own spin.
Some other contraversy is bound to happen soon that will make netizens lose focus on this so they probably will just let it go or use the "fictional country" approach
Give it a go. They didn't understand the subs well.
I just checked the netflix translation again-
"The ongoing Paltima airstrikes are taking place in Izmael, *where Korean nationals have been kidnapped by armed militants"* (the * bit is shown as a separate text instead of together with the first bit which is what's causing the confusion i guess)
The phrasing is very questionable since it can be intepretted in many ways.
Since the Koreans were taken by Izmael militants, it makes sense that the drama supports the fictional country Paltima. But because they did mention "Paltima's airstrikes at Izmael", it can be intepretted as supporting the fictional country- Izmael.
Personally though, if the Koreans were kidnapped by Izmael, AND IF the drama was trying to bring propoganda, it does sound like Izmael is the bad guy right?
Honestly like the others said, you can skip this bit- it's barely 10 seconds of screentime. It won't affect the plot in any way. Basically this wouldn't have come up if they selected names more wisely.
There’s no one intentionally pushing anything to boost the ratings; the issue arose simply because some people…
That's true.
It seems that there were 2 situations discussed together:
a) Izmael militants kidnapped the Koreans (in the dialogue how did you interpret this bit?)
b) Paltima did an airstrike like you said
It's a weird way to phrase such a sensitive situation since it can be interpretted in many ways (point B for instance can mean that it was done in retaliation or as the perp for instance).
If they wanted to show the reality of war, they should have used a better approach.
Yes, they'll probably try to use the "fictious" approach or simply keep quiet. Another contraversy will eventually overshadow this so it's easier to sacrifice one drama over making an official stance.
Hey got your notification!The fact that SW wasn't aware of a fourth missing kid seems highly suspicious considering…
People will always find a reason to complaint sadly.
Same here! Loved how they concluded the drama! The final shoutout to 406 was such a 🔥 idea.
Haha I love how you interpretted Heeju going to Argan 🤣🤣🤣 I'd accidentally spoiled this bit previously while checking out the novel so I wasn't sure how non readers found the scene. In kdrama land it's acceptable - go save your poor husband from himself! I did love how HeeJu called him out on his actions though, showing that even the drama doesn't agree with SE's choice to punish himself.
I did love how raw both YYS and CSB's reactions were. It felt quite natural and you can feel their desperation and love ❤️🥲
The Baek family are at least consistant. I honestly nearly yelled at the dad for his stupidity and then when they showed him with his crocodile tears, it was almost laughable honestly 🤣🤣🤣
Kudos for noticing how the grandfather looked at SE in the flashback👏👏👏. I honestly didn't notice it and just suspected it based on the way he mentioned about not having a name by choice/ fisherman's fear when SE called him dad.
Using the ring to capture evidence was definitely a diabolical move!
My understanding on the reason why SE left was because of the way he is. He was pretty devastated when he found out that his 3 "warm" years together was a prison sentence for HeeJu so finding out that the root cause for ALL her suffering was because of his father probably killed him- specially since nobody got justice even.
(I mean based on the flashbacks it looked like Heeju got along with In Ah before the accident and the 3 kids seem to be happy and close together. I also heard that the son is Heeju's mum's child. If the accident didn't happen, Heeju's mum had no reason to force HJ to act pathetic around the Chairman since the mum gave the Chairman a son (since having a son in a chaebol family is considered a big deal). She would have doted on her son instead of taking out all her insecurities through HJ at least for the most part. In SE's pov, this is too much to bear, specially after finding out that HeeJu still chose him despite knowing everything.
SE also has his own share of unresolved trauma so this too could have influenced his decision (he was almost as bad as PDJ before he realised he couldn't stay away from HJ)🫠
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They could have thought things through or changed this plot though since there was an obvious bottle neck with the schedule timeline.
Not everyone who uses MDL creates an account until something compels them to (either the drama discussions/ theories are too good to resist or to voice their concerns).
That being said, not all accounts are honest (i'm not talking about this page but in general). It's upto the users to decide whats fair and what's manufactured 🫠
It was a foolish thing for MBC and the writer to even consider using these names. Their silence as well as NF's lack of response just makes things worse.
Having an illegitimate son too would be contraversial to his "sparklingc reputation specially at 55 (assuming the grandpa was 70 and SE was 15 during the flashback events)
I'm trying to recall how they handled the KTL contraversy but for the life of me I can't recall if they actually ever put a statement or simply quietly removed the problematic scenes.
It's true that the novel too had a war conflict but it was like a continuation of the Argan arc if I'm not mistaken (it's been awhile so I can't recall what exactly the war conflict was about ).
In SE's case, guess motherly love wasn't important to him since he's always been sorrounded by toxic mothers (Heeju's + his "mum"). You can't miss what you never had?
Netflix will probably not address this issue. I saw on X that they are already under fire over something to do with Vietnam and Squid Games (no idea since I don't follow the series).
I really hate the way they translated and placed it though...the banner made it so clear and obvious but the way they phrased the subtitles just comes off as ambiguous.
At this point MBC should just apologize for/ address the whole fiasco since they shouldn't have used the names in the first place- wouldn't hold my breath though for an answer.
Apparently even knetz can't agree on one translation right? And the more you look at the line, the more different interpretations come up. It's like everybody is right and wrong at the same time on what the message meant🙈
(Heeju was delirious by this point with exhaustion and stress so she likely misread the situation)
Yeah, what you said makes sense- unless it affects their profits, Netflix probably will not bat even an eye. MBC too unless it affects their future programs.
The only thing they can do is quietly remove the scene all together eventhough it's not going to help much.
For instance, there was a beautiful farewell line in the novel, they could have still used in the drama but they condensed it down simply to ".. i will find you" a little too early into the series to really feel the impact. (As a stand-alone, what SE said was great but since they made him disappear in the drama, they could have done more).
Breaking the subtitles into 2 parts instead of adding the full text in one screen can be misinterpretted as Paltima kidnapped the Koreans as well. If Netflix just simply said Izmael militants instead of "armed militants there" there will be no doubt on who the drama supports.
(Note : i didn't even notice the country names until it was brought up here since I was looking at Heeju's reactions instead of focussing on the subs so I only saw the second line about the hostage situation and not about the airstrike. I just assumed "militants there" were related to Argan🙈 Keeping the 2 lines together in one screen is important)
At worst they tried to push propoganda or at best (lesser evil), they tried to be woke by using current events but failed miserably by putting their own spin.
Some other contraversy is bound to happen soon that will make netizens lose focus on this so they probably will just let it go or use the "fictional country" approach
"The ongoing Paltima airstrikes are taking place in Izmael, *where Korean nationals have been kidnapped by armed militants"* (the * bit is shown as a separate text instead of together with the first bit which is what's causing the confusion i guess)
The phrasing is very questionable since it can be intepretted in many ways.
Since the Koreans were taken by Izmael militants, it makes sense that the drama supports the fictional country Paltima. But because they did mention "Paltima's airstrikes at Izmael", it can be intepretted as supporting the fictional country- Izmael.
Personally though, if the Koreans were kidnapped by Izmael, AND IF the drama was trying to bring propoganda, it does sound like Izmael is the bad guy right?
Honestly like the others said, you can skip this bit- it's barely 10 seconds of screentime. It won't affect the plot in any way. Basically this wouldn't have come up if they selected names more wisely.
It seems that there were 2 situations discussed together:
a) Izmael militants kidnapped the Koreans (in the dialogue how did you interpret this bit?)
b) Paltima did an airstrike like you said
It's a weird way to phrase such a sensitive situation since it can be interpretted in many ways (point B for instance can mean that it was done in retaliation or as the perp for instance).
If they wanted to show the reality of war, they should have used a better approach.
Yes, they'll probably try to use the "fictious" approach or simply keep quiet. Another contraversy will eventually overshadow this so it's easier to sacrifice one drama over making an official stance.
Same here! Loved how they concluded the drama! The final shoutout to 406 was such a 🔥 idea.
Haha I love how you interpretted Heeju going to Argan 🤣🤣🤣
I'd accidentally spoiled this bit previously while checking out the novel so I wasn't sure how non readers found the scene. In kdrama land it's acceptable - go save your poor husband from himself! I did love how HeeJu called him out on his actions though, showing that even the drama doesn't agree with SE's choice to punish himself.
I did love how raw both YYS and CSB's reactions were. It felt quite natural and you can feel their desperation and love ❤️🥲
The Baek family are at least consistant. I honestly nearly yelled at the dad for his stupidity and then when they showed him with his crocodile tears, it was almost laughable honestly 🤣🤣🤣
Kudos for noticing how the grandfather looked at SE in the flashback👏👏👏. I honestly didn't notice it and just suspected it based on the way he mentioned about not having a name by choice/ fisherman's fear when SE called him dad.
Using the ring to capture evidence was definitely a diabolical move!
My understanding on the reason why SE left was because of the way he is. He was pretty devastated when he found out that his 3 "warm" years together was a prison sentence for HeeJu so finding out that the root cause for ALL her suffering was because of his father probably killed him- specially since nobody got justice even.
(I mean based on the flashbacks it looked like Heeju got along with In Ah before the accident and the 3 kids seem to be happy and close together. I also heard that the son is Heeju's mum's child. If the accident didn't happen, Heeju's mum had no reason to force HJ to act pathetic around the Chairman since the mum gave the Chairman a son (since having a son in a chaebol family is considered a big deal). She would have doted on her son instead of taking out all her insecurities through HJ at least for the most part. In SE's pov, this is too much to bear, specially after finding out that HeeJu still chose him despite knowing everything.
SE also has his own share of unresolved trauma so this too could have influenced his decision (he was almost as bad as PDJ before he realised he couldn't stay away from HJ)🫠
What do you think? 🙈