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It was a pretty enjoyable series. I don't look for anything spectacular in BL's and sometimes it's just enough to have good pacing, and a semi-enjoyable plot without too many fake conflicts that drag on for several episodes. They resolved conflicts quickly enough that we didn't have to feel all the angst for several weeks at a time like in Bed Friends. I thought Cher was a light-hearted and enjoyable character that was perfect for Friday nights, and Gun had inhumanly good-looks to carry any scene that he was in. Both Force and Book captured their characters really well, and I think they really made the series. I'm surprised they ever got another series after Enchante but it was good that GMMTV took a chance on them despite that disaster. Some people blame Force and Book for that mess, but I don't think it had anything to do with them. The plot was just pure garbage and I would say that a monkey wrote it, but that would be insulting to monkeys. I don't think Marlon Brando and Sir Lawrence Olivier could have saved that script. This series shows that ForceBook are actually a very good couple with a solid dynamic, and they have some range as actors. I hear everyone's complaints about the plot holes, but they were able to piece together enough interesting and entertaining scenes in virtually every episode, and I think that's what made the difference. I would recommend this series to anyone interested in just a light-hearted, and fluffy series that would keep you entertained and lift your spirits after a tedious, and/or grueling work week.

Well this is the same old issue in episode 11 that always happens in a dozen different variations: the sudden unintelligible angsty breakup that will be resolved in the first few minutes of the next episode because it was all an illusion that everyone saw through in a millisecond except for the main leads. The only saving grace for this series is that Cher knows he will get back with Gun and there isn't even a lingering mystery as to what will happen in the next episode, even though everyone already knows there was no real mystery. There isn't even anything wrong with the drama that happened this episode because meddling parents really don't give up so easily. Gun's mom should have come back to force these two apart because that is most certainly what would have happened in the real world. There's nothing wrong with that, but we've all had too much trauma from episode 11's from the past, so just as a suggestion to writers of Thai BL's in the future: we don't even want the appearance, or even a hint of trouble in episode 11 anymore. You are given full freedom to not provide us any drama in this episode and to continue on with unlimited fluff after episode 10. Please focus on giving us lots of unbridled sex a la KinnPorsche, or lots of hugs and shower scenes in lieu of that. I hope GMMTV screenwriters/directors read MDL comments so they can understand this critical advice that will break the glass ceiling of their turgid writing style and make our wildest BL fantasies come to life [ok, hyperbole, but I'm half serious, lol].

Jeng is like boss of the year. I think if you were reasonable and didn't want a boss that was going to be nice to you all the time, you would want someone like him. I think Pat is written in a rather naive way, as if he could just criticize the boss like he was an intern, needing to be constantly improved. It's this weird role reversal that I don't get, especially since Jeng is already doing everything right. I'm just surprised that he also doesn't seem to know how to do any better than Pat on presentations - this is also a little sloppy, as far as the characterization. Why is Pat always right? Doesn't Jeng have far more experience, and knowledge about the industry? I'm curious as to why the last clients shown in this episode don't like Pat's performance when he finally gets to do something on his own without the boss micromanaging him, but now he's not successful. It's just all pretty confusing. I'm guessing Jeng will now have to impart some wisdom about the biz to Pat, and Pat will have to learn that Jeng does actually do something [even if he's always wrong]. I just feel the writing is just very confusing, and I don't think we all need to struggle so hard to understand a BL, especially when they are not really striving to make cutting edge, complex scenarios.

Overall I still like the show, and it feels like a nice slice of life series that accurately depicts a lot of office environments. All the characters are pretty well done for the most part, and there is something even positive about the extended, long episodes that feel kind of luxurious. I think they do well enough with the pacing that you don't feel like it's a bunch of padding. I can see the relevance of most every scene. This is a show that is really very different, and shows a level of maturity that is greater than most. I feel like we are dealing with grown-up scenarios and issues in this series which I find to be rare in BL's.

This is nauseatingly stupid. Dr. Kiew was going to fuck the amnesia away - what a brilliant cure. This episode had about the same level of annoying and tortuous writing as the last one. Almost every character is out of character - the mother was never that nice, Franc was never that charming, and Soda was never that evil. The writing has just degenerated into something totally ad hoc. I'm also confused why Baiwan is stringing along two guys like it's totally normal. I like how they begged the priest to cure Bamee's dimentia. I don't even think that's a mistranslation, because they have no idea what word would cover amnesia and a complete personality transformation. This is just a slophouse of a script at this point. No matter what memory impairment someone might have in an accident, they don't think of things like sharing your brother's boyfriend, because dad told them to share EVERYTHING. Good luck getting through this. This is truly aweful, and is taking the award for worst script of the year. Congratulations, guys!

What a weird episode. I'm watching this show because of Cooper, and I can't say there's much else in it that interests me. If Cooper was pawing at me, and fawning all over me, never leaving me alone, I think I would feel like I was in heavan. I can't understand Bamee's digust for Cooper. Why would someone with amnesia not want to know what his lost memories were? This is just so contrived and in a really unpleasant way. Bamee also becomes a real asshole going after his brother's boyfriend, and torturing Kiew by making out with Soda in front of him in a really heartless and sadistic way. This episode was like nails on chalkboard - very irritating and incongruous. This has nothing to do with the curse from the priest. It's just sadistic writing meant to drive everyone crazy because someone thought that annoying the hell out of everyone would really be a great idea. I don't blame anyone for dropping this series after such a miserable episode. I'm watching this for Cooper till the end, because he's still good in this even if they have no idea what they're doing with the plot.

This show is almost all about Tane to me. I watch every episode to see what he's up to, like other viewers watch Youtube videos of cute kittens. He's adorable. The other characters are also growing on me. They feel like side characters to the main focus of the show which is Tane, but their characters are definitely engaging. I do like the slow burn romance here, and it just feels so wholesome, like watching something on the Hallmark channel. It's really a rather unique BL. I've only seen something like this in Papa and Daddy, but that's totally different, and is not really the same genre. The story is rather simple with both ML's having experienced some trauma while growing up, and they are working on getting past those issues through the growing love they have for each other. I don't like how love solves every problem in a Thai BL, but this is a show where that idea really works. These two look like they just need each other's support to achieve fulfilling lives, and that's a concept that, though rather intuitively where BL's plots should go, they never seem to. It's more about people just hooking up in a rather empty and superficial way.

I think they just have to understand that he never processed what happened to his sister and it messed him up. Like in a lot of therapy, if you at least talk about the problem you are on the road to resolving it. That's what's going on at the jail, and I don't think it's too big of a leap for people to get that's what's going on there.

I rather enjoy this BL. Unlike most, I like Cher's silly character, and I like the troubled Thoop. I can completely get that he's messed up because of what happened to his sister. I'm not surprised he acts out and does stupid things, but everyone should understand that he hasn't resolved his issues through something like therapy since that never happens in BL's, and since therapy is not often pursued in Thailand by the population, in general. I thought the story with his sister was pretty OTT for a BL, but I guess it was ok. It felt, nonetheless, like the issue with the sister should have gotten more screen time, but the light nature of the drama would have been destroyed if they delved too much into it - like it was in Bed Friends. This series has been really good with its pacing, and most of the story has been convincing enough. I like that issues are resolved quickly including the fact that Cher's phony confession was put to rest in this episode, and they didn't put too much weight into that phony separation caused by the picture of them at the jail. I can't emphasize enough how Gun's abs have taken this series to the next level, lol. Mostly, I just enjoy this series as one that has no pretensions, and avoids most of the painful tropes. I don't watch BL's for their high artistic standards, and this is certainly better than most.

I liked this last episode. Jeng definitely made a move in the right direction, and it was pretty natural the way they did it. I liked how he was trying to think of his approach to Pat on how to go over his assessment. You can see how they tried to make the character analyze himself, and change for the better without being too dramatic about it. I think Prem should have gotten a stiffer penalty, but good workers are hard to find, so maybe it was ok, though he seemed too toxic to save. Jeng has now at least the possibility of moving forward with his relationship with Pat, and they are moving Step by Step in this relationship, which is rather unique for a BL, and something I appreciate because it's more like the real world.

BTW the views from Jeng's father's office are spectacular. That has to be the best office I've ever seen in any series ever. There are lots of nice aesthetic touches in this production, and Jeng's office is pretty decent as well.

I just started watching this, and there are things I really enjoy about it. The office environment is very realistic, even capturing the Asian propensity to promote based on seniority rather than merit. I like all these slimy characters like Ying, and Prem. They're like a hundred other backstabbing, gossipy office staff people you find everywhere in the world. This is so much more realistic than in Boss and a Babe. Ying and Prem are just comically evil, although Prem is really not amusing at all with all his predatory behavior. I just like how realistic this all is. The boss has clear boundaries and that is what is great about him compared to Gun from A Boss and a Babe. He's not letting his feelings for Pat overshadow his role as a good boss, and he does give him a really good opportunity overlooking his lack of seniority (to Ying's great dislike). While giving him this opportunity based purely on merit, he doesn't spoil him by letting him do whatever he wants. Jeng is also completely right in criticizing Pat for trying to upstage him with a client because an employee that is 5+ levels below a certain manager/CEO, should never be doing that. Pat is very immature, and should understand how to take criticism without crying even if he is working hard. It is natural to work hard in a large conglomerate, and Jeng is not wrong in telling Pat that he needs to grow up. The only problem with this is that it's killed all the chemistry between the leads so that we are literally underwater, and you are wondering how these two could ever like each other again. It's not even like the split caused by an evil-ex. This is a fundamental shift of the whole dynamic of possible lovers, to a totally different kind of relationship involving no feelings whatsoever. I know things will turn around, but right now the show has no element of romance left.

The other problem I have with this series is the research for the digital marketing is very poor. I don't know what Jeng is talking about with the slides being not aligned. I've worked with enough programs in digital media that this would be a very simple problem to fix. It shouldn't require Pat any thought at all to resolve this issue, and he certainly shouldn't be working dozens of hours to fix it without success. This is an aspect of programming that was resolved in the 1980's, and it's ridiculous to have this issue in the 2020's. Pat is also running around with a Hannah Montana laptop made for a schoolgirl doing advanced digital imagery. He should have a large monitor - preferably two- and a decent tower to be doing this work. These presentations that they do for clients are also just unstructured, and sloppy. We have no idea what they are talking about, except the slides don't look fresh or something. It makes you think they've done no research into this field, whatsoever. It takes me out of the story every time they start discussing it which they do quite often. They really should have focussed on some other business because they have no knowledge about this one, and have decided to do no research on it. I like the vagueness of the business in Boss and a Babe. At least with that one you have some element of plausible deniability as to whether they know anything about the business or not. With this series there is no denying that they don't know anything.

Overall, this series is a mixed bag. It is a little more mature than your average Thai series, and has some more realism in the workplace than most BL's. I think they need to work a lot on the details, and the romance needs needs a lot of help at this point.

Oh, I’m sorry hearing that. I think he gets carried away. I’m not going to excuse it but I believe most of the time he’s being facetious.

He’s got very high standards for BL’s, but sometimes too high. I can see where he’s coming from though like on 180 degees longitude. He’s been in theater so he was better informed about it and I could tell. I like his put downs of SJW’s the best. He’s unbeatable there as you said

I'm sorry if he did that to you. I guess I just hit it off with him. I treat everyone with respect and hope you can understand that I might have a totally different experience with him. I can only say that he is actually very nice and helpful to me. He's got exceptional taste in shows. He and I disagree on virtually every show, but the one's he likes are definitely the very best out there. As an example, he introduced me to the shows Mood Indigo, and Double Mint. I would recommend you check those out, and please don't be mad with me because I support him.

Thank you! I always appreciate recommendations. One of my friends on here recommended Mood Indigo, and Double Mint - those were amazing. Those are some shows of this caliber.

Thank you Maggi! I loved his comments on To My Star 2 where he called that main character Cloud Man. Oh my god, that was some of the best comedic writing I've ever read. You and I can understand he's really a nice guy, but doesn't put up with phoniness of any kind.

If there is a sequel, I would almost beg these guys to make Eun Ji, and Tae Hyung go back to being villains. That way they can redeem the biggest flaw in this series which is the phony feeling redemption of these two characters. Let's say that they were just acting in the finale just so they could fool people into believing them in Season 2.

The ending is not logical for a lot of the side characters . It's still a great drama, but who is doing the proofreading? It's totally excellent in most regards, but what a serious drawback. I wish I could have them go back and revise this feel good part with every villain being redeemed at the expense of all the realism they built up during this series.

Still about my favorite BL, and I hate to see these flaws detract from its overall excellent achievement.

That was a great review! Very entertaining, and I agree with everything you've said. I like how you said the restaurant owner was "sublime" - she really was in a very uncharacteristic way. I think her and the therapist were some of the heros of this drama that I'll always remember. The therapist really saved the day, and thank god she was there to turn Jae Won around, because he wouldn't have changed without her. I really love this drama for presenting the everyday struggles of people in a sort of noble light, and highlighting the people that make the biggest difference in people's lives in such a profound way.

That is a shame about Snowregret/Frothymix/Flypsyde. I think his comments are hilarious and some of the most entertaining things I've ever read on any board. I don't know what all the censorship is about. People should be able to express themselves. People have the option to ignore or block anyone they disagree with. It's really so petty.

I hope he's back using another account. I'll make sure I don't "out" him. I guess he's become famous.