perhaps JTBC tends to add more “intimate” kissing in their dramas because they’re a cable channel. Unlike…
Yes, I totally agree with you. But when drama crosses the sexual threshold, and blurs the lines with JAV. That is when I start watching JAV for the plot. Then again, sometimes I do.
And again, we all know that the main crowd puller for this drama isn't its amazing story line, or even the handsome male lead.
So no complains for intimate scenes. Or rather maybe I just dun fancy seeing randoms kissing idols.
Its drama, that single word should be more than enough hint. and that formula of down and out girl meets successful…
Ya, the three shows you mentioned were refreshing, That the female lead plays the dominant role in the drama (esp in because this is my first life). I think quite a few korean drama are going towards that trend. But ultimately I think it would depend on the target audience, and if the female lead is the stronger audience puller.
Personally, i watched "because this is my first life" for Jung So Min, and a similar reason for quite a number of shows.
I think dramas ultimately bows to the audience, and they are created precisely for the audiences. Maybe, just maybe, there's so many rich guy, Cinderella lady concepts, is that it caters to both female and male audience, as well as the prevailing social norms (east asian).
Ladies can fantasize about having a shiny knight lifting them out of their current life, and men can fantasize that perhaps one day, they can earn enough money to marry their idols.
It could be the other way too. I, as a guy, would definitely prefer a rich beautiful lady marrying me for my looks. But that would way too unrealistic for even drunken me to believe. Whereas, the lady can still hold to the thread that perhaps beauty does lies in the eye of the beholder, and that shiny knight may just appreciate her kind of beauty.
I know that the target group of those type of shows are women but come on. Do they have to make every single story…
Its drama, that single word should be more than enough hint. and that formula of down and out girl meets successful guy works in particularly well in east asian culture where society enforces the notion that a successfully guy is the only way to get the girl. Of cos every now and then, the writer twist it up and offers a reversal, but its mainly for novelty sake
I like to think that sometimes films like to hide deeper issues in films to convey a deeper message to us. This film could be trying to pass on the feelings of an foreign maid (or foreigner stuck in indentured servitude) living in Japan. The foreign is first beguiled into Japan by signing on fake internships. On arriving, the alien is forced to do unfair work, and all the while being treated as sub human. The bosses treats them with indignity as they know full well that the law (society) is on their side. The alien cannot run away for a host of reason, such as the contract, ,debt incurred for being placed on the internship, visa limitations, the language barrier, etc. These aliens try to live their own life as best as they can, and find what little joy that is afforded to them. You can read more here (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/3kwgpy/the-worst-internship-ever-japans-labor-pains)
Korean drama seems to really dig intimate kiss. While i understand that the plot requires the two character to demonstrate intense passionate love for each other. Perhaps there's a few other more family orientated methods to choose from. By family orientated, i meant scene that would not induce an awkward silence when i'm watching this with my parents, or the need to alt tab so they would not think i'm watching adult videos. Purely personal, but I do not see the need for extended kiss scene. It felt like a sorry excuse for the male lead to tongue rape the female lead, and its on air.
I started yesterday just finished 16 episodes, I liked it a lot....I feel bad for the 3 of them ex husband, new…
I think it was hinted in episode 3/4 that Na Kyung date raped Jae Wook. It was in the scene when Ji Yeong recounts her memory and how Na Kyung was never her friend.
It showed Na Kyung purposefully approached Jae Wook. Fabricating coincidences and chance meetings. From a bump into on the streets leading to a lunch date, to a hike up the mountain, and finally an arranged date through his friend. In the Japanese restaurant, the camera showed on Jae Wook pouring an overflowed cup of sake, with the next shot focused on the cup of sake. After the meal, it showed Jae Wook stumbled drunk into the backside of Na Kyung's car. The camera paused and captured Na Kyung swallow hard, and she blinked rapidly, as though she was nervous and about to undertake a big decision. It was never made overt, but the drama seems to have audiences draw this conclusion.
However, in the same scene at the Japanese restaurant, Jae Wook can be seen, uneasy at the appearance of Na Kyung, as he downs a cup of sake. He refills the sake to the brim, glanced unsure at Na Kyung, who beamed at confidence, as though she was encouraging him on. It looked like Jae Wook perhaps does have a hint of affection for her, but unsure and felt guilty towards Ji Yeong. And he downs the sake to forget those feelings.
Perhaps Na Kyung date raped Jae Wook, withJae Wook probably acting on his baser instinct while drunk. But we will never know with certainty.
I like to think that the writers perhaps had always intended for this ambiguity. For it takes two to cheat, with both to blame. Maybe also the writers wanted to share with us, even though circumstances conspires against love, it was the traitor who had allowed himself to be placed in that circumstance.
His mummy boy obsession and him seeing a shadow of his mother is Hae Ra (Female lead).
In Joon falling in love with Hae Ra has been subtle. In episode 1, Tae In Joon first met Hae Ra in a Noraebang setting. He paid no attention to her. In that social context, he would have passed her off a companion / escort of sort. He confronts obnoxious guy. Needing to pitch to the Italian business man, he asked for a translator. Obnoxious guy brought a translator but obviously would not have render assistance to a competitor. Hae Ra volunteers her translation. A visible pause as In Joon is surprised that the lady was not here just for her looks. He pitches his proposal and willingly accedes to a inferior bargaining position as he expresses his company commitment to the deal. Italian dismisses him. In Joon protested that a verbal agreement was in place, and the Italian is to honor it. He threatens the Italian with future dealings. Hae Ra shares her insights that such threats are useless as the Italian’s leather is in demand. But In Joon asserts his opinion, and bluffs/boast his influence on the Korea market. Hae Ra shares this with the Italian but in a fashion that elicits his interest and for him reconsider his business partner. Obnoxious guy is upset that Hae Ra ruined his business and splashed her with drinks. Tae In Joon expressed shock that another man (obnoxious guy who threw the drink) would behave in that fashion to a lady. He appears ready to intervene, same goes for the Italian designer. Both stands ready to save the damsel in distress. A different lady would have probably appeal to their chivalry. But Hae Ra shows her mettle, she bears the indignity, and empties the ice pail over herself, to lend excuse for leaving. Her parting words carries an undertone of her pride and character. This sparks interest in In Joon. In Joon follows Hae Ra and grabs her wrist, surprised that her calloused and discolored hand. Hae Ra is flustered that a man grabs her wrist, both out of embarrassment of her hands and In Joon’s audacious action. In Joon proposed a business deal that Hae Ra works the Italian, and insinuate it be done through favors. Hae Ra is astounded at his rudeness and confronts the meaning of his words. In Joon brushes the question aside and pushes forward money. Hae Ra is insulted, smirks and rejected his proposal. Perhaps in In Joon’s world, a chaebol is always surrounded with pretty girls who would bend over backwards for money. He sees Hae Ra’s refusal as a bid to extort more money. He challenges her that the payment was fair and finally voiced out his impression that Hae Ra was an escort. Insulted, Hae Ra slaps him, telling In Joon that she has helped him thus far because she empathizes with him and In Joon reminded her of her unfortunate circumstances. That she put up with his past transgression because she pities him. The insult of being viewed as a common whore brought out her anger and Hae Ra avowed that she would prevent his business proposal with the Italian. In Joon can be seen to sign in frustration when Hae Ra walks out on him, that he might have been taken wrongly by her. He chased after Hae Ra and strongly assisted Hae Ra into his chauffeured car. In the car, he demonstrates that he has always knew that Hae Ra was no simple lady from her calloused and discolored hand, that he knew Hae Ra is associated with leather works. He continues talking down to Hae Ra, despite needing her help. In Joon remarks that he is willing to forgo the business deal if Hae Ra would not misunderstand him. Hae Ra remarked that she’s unconvinced of his sincerity, and hints that she is still angry that In Joon had thought that she was a prostitute. In Joon tries to brush it off as joke that he had meant no disrespect that he had not consider himself to be her better, that if she is a prostitute, he was no better as he sells a different part of himself for work (his dignity, bearing insults from obnoxious guy just to pitch his business deal). He tries to play it cool by offering to send her home, seeing that Hae Ra is still upset at him, In Joon apologizes. Seeing that Hae Ra smoothen at his apology, he apologizes again, formally. In Joon had been using informal speech with her all this while, but had formally apologized, demonstrating his sincerity, and admitting that Hae Ra is his superior. (Expression in speech conveys status between the participants. Informal speech hints of status difference between the participants, and from higher to lower or between equals). Hae Ra is surprised but accept his apology. She made a offhand comment that he had been forceful and bullish. Hearing that In Joon tries to show that he can also be thoughtful of others, by requesting the chauffer turn up the heat in consideration that Hae Ra may have been cold due to her wet clothes. Appreciating the gesture, Hae Ra expresses concern over In Joon’s job security should the business deal with the Italian not worked out. She did so in a nonchalant fashion, to appear collected over In Joon’s gentlemanly gesture of turning up the heat. They ride the rest of the journey in silence, so as to appear casually calm with each other, with neither wanting to concede that they may have been concerned with each other. When they arrive at Hae Ra’s place, Hae Ra tells In Joon how to better his chance with the business deal, through a roundabout question. She gets off the car, leaving In Joon gazing at her back. The chauffeur drove off, but returns shortly, just in time for In Joon to witness Hae Ra’s house being trashed by gangsters. When the chauffeur / secretary could not understand why In Joon remains in the car, despite him being obviously concerned with her, by turning back the car. In Joon get defensive. Perhaps owing to his chaebol background where people deceit and purposefully approach him for money, he questions how he should help her, and with money how much. (this hint of the transaction relationship he had always developed with people in his world.) He seems genuinely surprised that Hae Ra had been truthful with him, and at ease that Hae Ra is indeed a shoemaker and not a prostitute which he had initially mistaken. As he reflects on their short encounter, In Joon recalls her watch when he held her wrist in the car, and commented that it was a nice watch, although it is spoilt. He must have paying plenty of attention to her, to had glimpse that detail. In the parting scene, against conventional wisdom demonstrated with the secretary, In Joon chose to risk his business deal falling through and trust Hae Ra’s judgement in securing a boy band’s autograph that promised to facilitate the business deal. It is this moment, that I think In Joon first fall in love with Hae Ra.
Anyone knows Korean? Why is 운명과 분노 translated as Fates and Furies? It could just as well been Fate and Fury (singular). Does this hint of multiple lives entwined due to their vendetta?
You aren't alone. I hate to say it, but In Joon is the achilles heel of this show. I mostly blame the director…
The character of Soo Hyun is well written. Rich with dimensions. In Joon is borderline retarded. For a chaebol heir engaging a power struggle with his half brother, he is betting all on the integrity of his half brother, displaying zero shrewdness. UNLESS, the writers are trying to demonstrate to us that In Joon is that blind in love with Hae Ra, then I shall be soundly convinced. She does have the eyes that makes men weak.
I love the 2nd female lead. I get why she does what she does. The only problem I have with the show is the main…
Tae In Joon seems like a half baked acting/writing. For a son raised in a cut throat competition for their inheritance, he seems to place immerse trust in the integrity of his half brother. As for Hae Ra? She's the protagonist, plot shields are free. And could you refuse those eyes.
And again, we all know that the main crowd puller for this drama isn't its amazing story line, or even the handsome male lead.
So no complains for intimate scenes. Or rather maybe I just dun fancy seeing randoms kissing idols.
Personally, i watched "because this is my first life" for Jung So Min, and a similar reason for quite a number of shows.
I think dramas ultimately bows to the audience, and they are created precisely for the audiences. Maybe, just maybe, there's so many rich guy, Cinderella lady concepts, is that it caters to both female and male audience, as well as the prevailing social norms (east asian).
Ladies can fantasize about having a shiny knight lifting them out of their current life, and men can fantasize that perhaps one day, they can earn enough money to marry their idols.
It could be the other way too. I, as a guy, would definitely prefer a rich beautiful lady marrying me for my looks. But that would way too unrealistic for even drunken me to believe. Whereas, the lady can still hold to the thread that perhaps beauty does lies in the eye of the beholder, and that shiny knight may just appreciate her kind of beauty.
These aliens try to live their own life as best as they can, and find what little joy that is afforded to them.
You can read more here (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/3kwgpy/the-worst-internship-ever-japans-labor-pains)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq1C-MT0Whc
It showed Na Kyung purposefully approached Jae Wook. Fabricating coincidences and chance meetings. From a bump into on the streets leading to a lunch date, to a hike up the mountain, and finally an arranged date through his friend. In the Japanese restaurant, the camera showed on Jae Wook pouring an overflowed cup of sake, with the next shot focused on the cup of sake. After the meal, it showed Jae Wook stumbled drunk into the backside of Na Kyung's car. The camera paused and captured Na Kyung swallow hard, and she blinked rapidly, as though she was nervous and about to undertake a big decision. It was never made overt, but the drama seems to have audiences draw this conclusion.
However, in the same scene at the Japanese restaurant, Jae Wook can be seen, uneasy at the appearance of Na Kyung, as he downs a cup of sake. He refills the sake to the brim, glanced unsure at Na Kyung, who beamed at confidence, as though she was encouraging him on. It looked like Jae Wook perhaps does have a hint of affection for her, but unsure and felt guilty towards Ji Yeong. And he downs the sake to forget those feelings.
Perhaps Na Kyung date raped Jae Wook, withJae Wook probably acting on his baser instinct while drunk. But we will never know with certainty.
I like to think that the writers perhaps had always intended for this ambiguity. For it takes two to cheat, with both to blame. Maybe also the writers wanted to share with us, even though circumstances conspires against love, it was the traitor who had allowed himself to be placed in that circumstance.
In episode 1, Tae In Joon first met Hae Ra in a Noraebang setting. He paid no attention to her. In that social context, he would have passed her off a companion / escort of sort. He confronts obnoxious guy. Needing to pitch to the Italian business man, he asked for a translator. Obnoxious guy brought a translator but obviously would not have render assistance to a competitor.
Hae Ra volunteers her translation. A visible pause as In Joon is surprised that the lady was not here just for her looks. He pitches his proposal and willingly accedes to a inferior bargaining position as he expresses his company commitment to the deal. Italian dismisses him. In Joon protested that a verbal agreement was in place, and the Italian is to honor it. He threatens the Italian with future dealings. Hae Ra shares her insights that such threats are useless as the Italian’s leather is in demand. But In Joon asserts his opinion, and bluffs/boast his influence on the Korea market. Hae Ra shares this with the Italian but in a fashion that elicits his interest and for him reconsider his business partner.
Obnoxious guy is upset that Hae Ra ruined his business and splashed her with drinks. Tae In Joon expressed shock that another man (obnoxious guy who threw the drink) would behave in that fashion to a lady. He appears ready to intervene, same goes for the Italian designer. Both stands ready to save the damsel in distress. A different lady would have probably appeal to their chivalry. But Hae Ra shows her mettle, she bears the indignity, and empties the ice pail over herself, to lend excuse for leaving. Her parting words carries an undertone of her pride and character. This sparks interest in In Joon.
In Joon follows Hae Ra and grabs her wrist, surprised that her calloused and discolored hand. Hae Ra is flustered that a man grabs her wrist, both out of embarrassment of her hands and In Joon’s audacious action. In Joon proposed a business deal that Hae Ra works the Italian, and insinuate it be done through favors. Hae Ra is astounded at his rudeness and confronts the meaning of his words. In Joon brushes the question aside and pushes forward money. Hae Ra is insulted, smirks and rejected his proposal.
Perhaps in In Joon’s world, a chaebol is always surrounded with pretty girls who would bend over backwards for money. He sees Hae Ra’s refusal as a bid to extort more money. He challenges her that the payment was fair and finally voiced out his impression that Hae Ra was an escort. Insulted, Hae Ra slaps him, telling In Joon that she has helped him thus far because she empathizes with him and In Joon reminded her of her unfortunate circumstances. That she put up with his past transgression because she pities him. The insult of being viewed as a common whore brought out her anger and Hae Ra avowed that she would prevent his business proposal with the Italian. In Joon can be seen to sign in frustration when Hae Ra walks out on him, that he might have been taken wrongly by her.
He chased after Hae Ra and strongly assisted Hae Ra into his chauffeured car. In the car, he demonstrates that he has always knew that Hae Ra was no simple lady from her calloused and discolored hand, that he knew Hae Ra is associated with leather works. He continues talking down to Hae Ra, despite needing her help. In Joon remarks that he is willing to forgo the business deal if Hae Ra would not misunderstand him.
Hae Ra remarked that she’s unconvinced of his sincerity, and hints that she is still angry that In Joon had thought that she was a prostitute. In Joon tries to brush it off as joke that he had meant no disrespect that he had not consider himself to be her better, that if she is a prostitute, he was no better as he sells a different part of himself for work (his dignity, bearing insults from obnoxious guy just to pitch his business deal).
He tries to play it cool by offering to send her home, seeing that Hae Ra is still upset at him, In Joon apologizes. Seeing that Hae Ra smoothen at his apology, he apologizes again, formally. In Joon had been using informal speech with her all this while, but had formally apologized, demonstrating his sincerity, and admitting that Hae Ra is his superior. (Expression in speech conveys status between the participants. Informal speech hints of status difference between the participants, and from higher to lower or between equals).
Hae Ra is surprised but accept his apology. She made a offhand comment that he had been forceful and bullish. Hearing that In Joon tries to show that he can also be thoughtful of others, by requesting the chauffer turn up the heat in consideration that Hae Ra may have been cold due to her wet clothes. Appreciating the gesture, Hae Ra expresses concern over In Joon’s job security should the business deal with the Italian not worked out. She did so in a nonchalant fashion, to appear collected over In Joon’s gentlemanly gesture of turning up the heat.
They ride the rest of the journey in silence, so as to appear casually calm with each other, with neither wanting to concede that they may have been concerned with each other. When they arrive at Hae Ra’s place, Hae Ra tells In Joon how to better his chance with the business deal, through a roundabout question. She gets off the car, leaving In Joon gazing at her back.
The chauffeur drove off, but returns shortly, just in time for In Joon to witness Hae Ra’s house being trashed by gangsters. When the chauffeur / secretary could not understand why In Joon remains in the car, despite him being obviously concerned with her, by turning back the car. In Joon get defensive. Perhaps owing to his chaebol background where people deceit and purposefully approach him for money, he questions how he should help her, and with money how much. (this hint of the transaction relationship he had always developed with people in his world.) He seems genuinely surprised that Hae Ra had been truthful with him, and at ease that Hae Ra is indeed a shoemaker and not a prostitute which he had initially mistaken. As he reflects on their short encounter, In Joon recalls her watch when he held her wrist in the car, and commented that it was a nice watch, although it is spoilt. He must have paying plenty of attention to her, to had glimpse that detail.
In the parting scene, against conventional wisdom demonstrated with the secretary, In Joon chose to risk his business deal falling through and trust Hae Ra’s judgement in securing a boy band’s autograph that promised to facilitate the business deal.
It is this moment, that I think In Joon first fall in love with Hae Ra.
UNLESS, the writers are trying to demonstrate to us that In Joon is that blind in love with Hae Ra, then I shall be soundly convinced. She does have the eyes that makes men weak.
As for Hae Ra? She's the protagonist, plot shields are free. And could you refuse those eyes.