I speed binge-watched this in one sitting. Really enjoyed it.
You'll probably like this drama if you enjoy the following tropes (some vague / light spoilers ahead): 1) romantic leads falling on top of each other; 2) romantic leads sharing a bed before they fully realize / admit their feelings for each other; 3) one romantic lead gets sick and the other takes care of them; 4) mutual feelings with hesitation = pining; 5) comfort / cuddles and (eventually) enthusiastic mutual skinship; and 6) supportive friends / family.
You might not enjoy this drama if you dislike the following: 1) love triangles (IMO the dynamic was annoying at first but ended up actually being pretty unique in a good way); 2) awkward cliches (see the tropes above + know there are several scenes involving back scratching and shirtlessness that are over the top); 3) multiple side couples (I personally generally don't like side couple story lines so I skipped nearly all of the side couple / secondary character scenes, but did actually watch a few of them in this drama because the main side couple was pretty cute); 4) leads that hesitate / aren't good at articulating their feelings, resulting in a slow burn situation; or 5) sparkling water product placement.
For the epilogue, I personally recommend only watching the last five minutes.
Is this going to be another show where the ML sacrifice and gives up everything for the sake of FL or here both…
The FL identified, chased after and pushed an assassin so he wouldn't shoot the ML (although it was later discovered that the SML was the target). She also warns him about troop movements that could put him in danger and helps him secure much needed funding for his army. Right now she is also helping him form an alliance with a warlord in Beijing to help take down their mutual enemy / the ML's biggest political rival in Shanghai.
Is there any misunderstanding or conflict between ML and FL? Since I watched a few YT clips that show like they…
When they first meet, the FL accidentally witnesses something the ML does that puts his plan in danger, so he kidnaps her to keep her quiet. Later on, the the FL accidentally obtains a possession of the ML's that also puts his plan at risk. However, it doesn't take long for them to decide to work together, and after that there are only minor misunderstandings between them that are quickly resolved.
I don't agree, this is fine. Maybe you can write your own.
"Time to move on..." A strange sentiment to express in the context of discussing articles recapping an actor's entire career. Especially when only two days ago you were suggesting that I go off and write a whole separate article on the subject.
I get that the comments on this topic have gotten very heated and some fans have become very defensive about it / have a strong aversion to seeing any mention of the events. But whether or not fans care to acknowledge it, those events happened and they are part of KSH's career trajectory. That's just a fact. A neutral fact. Any complete guide to or recap of his career will mention those events.
It's not a matter of moving on (I assume, for example, that you wouldn't suggest that someone summarizing KSH's career "move on" from mentioning his debut). It is a matter of accurately summarizing an actor's career for readers' benefit. As I mentioned in my original post, references to these kinds of things don't have to re-hash the details. One brief sentence can be sufficient. The point is not to omit a key event entirely, to the point of being misleading.
I don't agree, this is fine. Maybe you can write your own.
Christian confirmed below that this article was written before HCCC, in which case it makes sense to not write about it.
But as a general principle it seems obvious that any "Guide to" article should cover the key points of the actor's career, including bumps. Mentioning what happened doesn't have to entail saying something negative about KSH. Many of his fans and even some publications have written articles about his return / un-cancelling himself.
If someone were to write an article covering every other part of his career to date (not just pre-HCCC) and omitted that part, the writer would be giving readers an incomplete picture. It would feel like the writer was intentionally sweeping those events under the rug and trying to pretend it didn't happen. While I can understand that sentiment from fans, it would be inappropriate for a "Guide to" article.
Imagine if his wiki page didn't mention it. That would be a glaring omission.
It seems strange not to mention the Ms. A kerfuffle at all. It's an important part of his career trajectory. Not that this article needs to re-hash the details, but one sentence mentioning it and the fact that he's returning to work now would be appropriate and help contextualize the timing of this article.
Being neutral when the offending party apologizes means you're taking the offending party's side. They're mitigating…
"@AH Huh? I replied to chamzy, not you."
Ah okay. My mistake.
".. So if you cause an accident, you don't need to apologize (publicly)? You might want to reevaluate for a minute... Unless you think there is some subtle discernment between a private and public apology, then you should explain further because I don't see the distinction."
To continue your wine example to explain what I mean by private vs. public apologies: If a celebrity spills wine on another person they should apologize to that person. I would call that type of one-on-one apology a private apology. The celebrity doesn't need to also publish a public apology on Twitter to take responsibility for that type of mistake. That would clearly be unnecessary. But if the celebrity instead got into a shouting match with another person at a restaurant that ended with thew throwing their wine in the other person's face, they probably should issue a public apology that either acknowledges that they were entirely in the wrong or provides an explanation (e.g., the other person groped the celebrity's friend which provoked the argument) while still apologizing for responding badly.
"My point is, we don't know the whole story, but we know KSH made a mistake based on his apology, and that should be it."
Being neutral when the offending party apologizes means you're taking the offending party's side. They're mitigating…
@finika "Being neutral when the offending party apologizes means you're taking the offending party's side." I'm not sure why you added this comment below my response to chamzy.
chamzy's post encourages both people who side with KSH and people who side with A to post their opinions to generate debate for entertainment purposes ("i have my popcorns ready!"). There's nothing there about holding celebrities who admit or apologize for bad behaviour accountable for their actions. chamzy's post was just encouraging speculation-fuelled negative discourse between netizens for the sole purpose of entertaining other netizens that thrive on negativity.
I would also point out that your wine spilling scenario is a great example of a mistake that shouldn't require a public apology. Intentionally throwing wine in someone's face, on the other hand, would warrant a public explanation, but in that scenario I would still say that fans / the public should wait for the explanation or an apology from the parties involved before passing judgement or rushing to blindly defend or attack either party.
So these companies should know better to do their due diligence before dropping a famous spokesperson. Now they…
Fair enough. I was responding to "now they can all be sued" since that likely isn't factually accurate, but you're correct that whether or not it makes good business sense to take down the ads is a separate issue from the legal liability concern.
Saying "Let's be neutral" or "Nobody should take sides." does not make y'all almighty. If you side with KSH and…
Why are you so keen to encourage people to say nasty things and to speculate about things we'll never fully know about?
A, KSH, and everyone who has worked with KSH are all people. Our words can harm their careers, their private lives and their mental health. Just because KSH's profession is entertainment doesn't mean his private life, and any pain he may cause or receive in his private life, exists for our entertainment.
I hope this makes the netizens, including MDL users, that spent the last two days criticizing A and speculating that the accusations were entirely made up for nefarious reasons to pause and hopefully react differently to this type of news in the future. Nothing good comes from jumping to crucify a celebrity facing unsubstantiated allegations, but by the same token we should also avoid hastily assuming that any accusations against a celebrity are completely false or motivated by malice and we should avoid rushing to criticize the alleged victim or the celebrity's management company.
Remember that they are all human. Even if they seem like a saint on TV, they are all capable of making mistakes, and all worthy of the same sympathy or empathy you would have for any other person in the same position. Try not to get sucked into scandal speculation. Sometimes time will reveal more information, but we'll never know all the details of a celebrity's private life and should not assume we know them based on their public persona.
You'll probably like this drama if you enjoy the following tropes (some vague / light spoilers ahead):
1) romantic leads falling on top of each other;
2) romantic leads sharing a bed before they fully realize / admit their feelings for each other;
3) one romantic lead gets sick and the other takes care of them;
4) mutual feelings with hesitation = pining;
5) comfort / cuddles and (eventually) enthusiastic mutual skinship; and
6) supportive friends / family.
You might not enjoy this drama if you dislike the following:
1) love triangles (IMO the dynamic was annoying at first but ended up actually being pretty unique in a good way);
2) awkward cliches (see the tropes above + know there are several scenes involving back scratching and shirtlessness that are over the top);
3) multiple side couples (I personally generally don't like side couple story lines so I skipped nearly all of the side couple / secondary character scenes, but did actually watch a few of them in this drama because the main side couple was pretty cute);
4) leads that hesitate / aren't good at articulating their feelings, resulting in a slow burn situation; or
5) sparkling water product placement.
For the epilogue, I personally recommend only watching the last five minutes.
I get that the comments on this topic have gotten very heated and some fans have become very defensive about it / have a strong aversion to seeing any mention of the events. But whether or not fans care to acknowledge it, those events happened and they are part of KSH's career trajectory. That's just a fact. A neutral fact. Any complete guide to or recap of his career will mention those events.
It's not a matter of moving on (I assume, for example, that you wouldn't suggest that someone summarizing KSH's career "move on" from mentioning his debut). It is a matter of accurately summarizing an actor's career for readers' benefit. As I mentioned in my original post, references to these kinds of things don't have to re-hash the details. One brief sentence can be sufficient. The point is not to omit a key event entirely, to the point of being misleading.
But as a general principle it seems obvious that any "Guide to" article should cover the key points of the actor's career, including bumps. Mentioning what happened doesn't have to entail saying something negative about KSH. Many of his fans and even some publications have written articles about his return / un-cancelling himself.
If someone were to write an article covering every other part of his career to date (not just pre-HCCC) and omitted that part, the writer would be giving readers an incomplete picture. It would feel like the writer was intentionally sweeping those events under the rug and trying to pretend it didn't happen. While I can understand that sentiment from fans, it would be inappropriate for a "Guide to" article.
Imagine if his wiki page didn't mention it. That would be a glaring omission.
Agree re: the FL's violence.
Ah okay. My mistake.
".. So if you cause an accident, you don't need to apologize (publicly)? You might want to reevaluate for a minute... Unless you think there is some subtle discernment between a private and public apology, then you should explain further because I don't see the distinction."
To continue your wine example to explain what I mean by private vs. public apologies: If a celebrity spills wine on another person they should apologize to that person. I would call that type of one-on-one apology a private apology. The celebrity doesn't need to also publish a public apology on Twitter to take responsibility for that type of mistake. That would clearly be unnecessary. But if the celebrity instead got into a shouting match with another person at a restaurant that ended with thew throwing their wine in the other person's face, they probably should issue a public apology that either acknowledges that they were entirely in the wrong or provides an explanation (e.g., the other person groped the celebrity's friend which provoked the argument) while still apologizing for responding badly.
"My point is, we don't know the whole story, but we know KSH made a mistake based on his apology, and that should be it."
I agree with this.
chamzy's post encourages both people who side with KSH and people who side with A to post their opinions to generate debate for entertainment purposes ("i have my popcorns ready!"). There's nothing there about holding celebrities who admit or apologize for bad behaviour accountable for their actions. chamzy's post was just encouraging speculation-fuelled negative discourse between netizens for the sole purpose of entertaining other netizens that thrive on negativity.
I would also point out that your wine spilling scenario is a great example of a mistake that shouldn't require a public apology. Intentionally throwing wine in someone's face, on the other hand, would warrant a public explanation, but in that scenario I would still say that fans / the public should wait for the explanation or an apology from the parties involved before passing judgement or rushing to blindly defend or attack either party.
A, KSH, and everyone who has worked with KSH are all people. Our words can harm their careers, their private lives and their mental health. Just because KSH's profession is entertainment doesn't mean his private life, and any pain he may cause or receive in his private life, exists for our entertainment.
I hope this makes the netizens, including MDL users, that spent the last two days criticizing A and speculating that the accusations were entirely made up for nefarious reasons to pause and hopefully react differently to this type of news in the future. Nothing good comes from jumping to crucify a celebrity facing unsubstantiated allegations, but by the same token we should also avoid hastily assuming that any accusations against a celebrity are completely false or motivated by malice and we should avoid rushing to criticize the alleged victim or the celebrity's management company.
Remember that they are all human. Even if they seem like a saint on TV, they are all capable of making mistakes, and all worthy of the same sympathy or empathy you would have for any other person in the same position. Try not to get sucked into scandal speculation. Sometimes time will reveal more information, but we'll never know all the details of a celebrity's private life and should not assume we know them based on their public persona.