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Okay, by one mistake, I mean the dis track. All the horrible things he did that you speak of right now comes from his dis track. He was 18 at the time which means he was a immature, hot blooded teenager. He was easily influenced by his surroundings. Everyone here knows how rappers and some singers and dancers feel about idols. You will obviously end up hating someone if everyone around you talks about how bad they are everyday. That's how racism and sexism spread after all. It can be seen that he has grown up and learned from his mistakes. He already said sorry. What do you people want him to do? Leave the whole circle and never touch music again? Also I haven't seen the whole "oh but he looks down on the other trainees". Yes, he looked down on them in his dis track but said dis track was 3 years ago and he apologised for it. He has never acted like that in the show. And I know that he has gotten a lot of hate. I'm saying that it has gotten worse since he has gotten into the group. Also I'm not being biased at all. I'm not a AK fan, in fact I'm a 9% fan. I also prefer Oscar over him. However, I can see very clearly that most of what he has gotten hate for is either false or something he has admitted and is sorry about. The group has gotten hate since the start. AK's not the only member with rumors and scandals. Stop acting like him being in the group is going to ruin lives. It's not that serious.

Honestly, people need to think for once. You can be upset that your bias didn't debut but you should never hate one a trainee just because he debuted. Nobody tried to replace anyone. Things like "Oh if he didn't get into the group, ___ would have debuted" is toxic. Just stop. It wasn't the trainee's fault he debuted. It also isn't his fault that he was in a certain company. He worked as hard as any other trainee in the show and was talented enough to catch netizens' eye. If he has a bad past or made a mistake before, he probably has already apologized. Don't try to kick them out of the group for one or two past mistakes. If you dislike them so much that you would rather have the whole group disband over them, just don't watch him. Close your eyes and ignore them. Your life won't be ruined if the group successfully debut.

This is such a late response to his dis track. He wrote it years ago and if you watched the show, you can see that he said sorry for it and that he would take responsibility for his previous actions. Why are you hating on him now that he's in the group instead of when it came out or the 1 episode? This honestly just looks like people are just trying to find reasons to hate and disassemble the group. Also he's allowed to hate and dislike whoever he wants. If he wants to drop a dis track, he can. Which law says that trainees can not write a diss track? At that time, he disliked idols so he dis them in a song as a way to show his stance. There's nothing wrong with that. Songs are literally known to a way to release your emotions. AND HE SAID SORRY. let me remind you, he said sorry. And he even proved it by writing a whole song about it. He made a mistake and he owned up to it. He's a human too. Would you have been able to say sorry for all the mistakes you've done your whole life on TV? Would you have been able to admit your mistakes you've made and say sorry to them to their face and the whole world? Humans make mistakes, multiple mistakes. You don't have to think far, how many times have you lied in your whole life? I don't think it's just 1 or 2 times. It's MULTIPLE times. Everyone has been there, done that. Don't act like he should be kicked out of the group and potentially the entertainment world just because of one mistake he made.

Liu Yu's fans are hardcore ah. Doesn't matter which rank he is, we all know he's going to be in the group ah. He's never dropped from the top 5. The only people I'm worried about are Oscar, Li Mo, Zhou Keyu and AK

I mean honestly, this is sort of what the show's supposed to be about. After all, in the end, they're going to make a group where they have to invest their time and money in. They need to make sure that all the people in the group are able to reach a certain standard and won't fail in the end. I like that they're pushing the boys more because they're going to be idols. Being an idol is hard work. It comes with pressure and expectations. It's going to be much more harder on them if they aren't ready for it beforehand. Plus, there are mentors and teachers to help them along the way. I like this year's vocal teacher a lot because of how he teaches the trainees. And for the "forced trainee", I mean... it's not like they forced him to come to the show. He applied for it, went through all the procedures, before coming. He could have backed out then. Or if he really wanted to, he could have just left the show like one of the trainees did. They can't really do anything about it unless he gets less votes or quit the whole show on his own record.

I literally just said that wasn't meant to be a hate comment. I'm not saying that she has horrible singing or dancing skills, I'm just saying she's more known to be someone who acts cute and overreacts to stuff. Unlike some of the other girls who are known for their dancing or singing skills, she's more known for her cute acts. And because of that, if you aren't her fan or been with her for a long time, you won't normally hear people comment on her dance and singing. Because the public opinion about her is like that, there's always going to be a few passerbys who question her. It's not her fault or her fans' fault. It's just how her image is like

I know some Esther fans might find this as a hate comment but they aren't wrong. Esther became famous because of her acting and her over reactions. She became a meme/expression packet which is why she became more known to the public. When people think of Esther, they don't think of her as a singer or a dancer, they think of her as the meme girl or for her over reactions. And while maybe she is a good dancer or an amazing singer, her image isn't like that making most people doubt her. Unless you follow her and her fan, you'll find that most people will doubt her. It's just how it is.

Oh and I did watch both shows before commenting this and this is just my opinion; I think Chuang 2021 is better. Mostly because they actually did change their rules and they have more trainees that stand out and deserves to debut. It makes me want to vote them. For youth with you season 3, the first episode was interesting. The media thing was good though I did find it unnecessary. Trainees usually already are trained on how to talk to the media and what to say in a difficult situation. If they aren't, they will be when they make their debut. It was a good experience for the independent trainees though since they don't have a company to train them these things. But after the first episode, there really wasn't that big of a change.

Honestly, both shows are predictable. They give more screen time to those who have a fan base already and are well known or those who give good reaction. Plus after the first two episodes, they can see who people like the most and they get their screen time according to that. That's why trainees who gets a F (or a N in this case) are desperate to go higher. The higher you level up, the more people will notice you and the more screen time you get. There's rarely ever a time where a F trainee stays in the C-F range and gets to debut. It's just harder to get that chance when you don't have screen time in the first place. Babymonster An, Kiki Xu, Snow Kong, Xiaotang Zhao and Shaking were obvious. Even Esther Yu wasn't a surprise. Curley Gao, Chen Zhuoxuan, Liu Xiening, and Nene was also very obvious. Even Zhang Yifan who people disagree on gets a lot of screen time on the first two episodes. And these shows have always been about money. No company would do a business that doesn't make money in some sort of way because that's a failure in their eyes. As fans, we might feel heartbroken but that's the hard cold truth about life

yes but sometimes they divide the episodes into 2. the episodes are long though so you don't have to worry about it being too short