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great thanks I'll start it soon!

PS: If you like older-couple romance, I'd recommend the Korean movie Salut D'Amour. Youn Yuh Jung is the FL and its one of THE sweetest, most realistic, heartwarming romance ever. Bonus - a Jung Hae In cameooooo 😍

and you might like Octogenarians and the 90s... it's about two young people who learn how to manage a nursing home. The elderly characters are very well-written and they invest in their stories quite a bit(it IS about old people). The relationships between the old people in the nursing home and the young ones, along with the relationship of ML and FL with their own grandparents... everything was done quite nicely. The only downside is that it's a little slow-paced.

LOL 💀

this will always be my number one kdrama. Do not for a second think that this is Are You Human Too with the genders reversed. FL is, possibly, the worst, craziest, funniest, most human-like robot ever. It's ML who hasn't been around humans, and that's why he accepts her completely. I love how it's basically a haters-to-friends-to-lovers allegory about the importance of trust and human relationships. It's a trope done RIGHT.

you haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg, then. Hair pulling is Level 1. Then there's kimchi slapping, bean sprout throwing, water splashing and dunking the other person's face into food 😂 id be lying if i said i dont enjoy lunatic ahjumma fights

ooh, I've been thinking of watching Marry Me Now! Please sell it to me, im still on the fence about watching it...

And i hope you enjoy Never Twice as much as I did! Im a goner for Park Se Wan, Kwak Dong Yeon and that ADORABLE baby!

well, this drama is nuts but Never Twice is pretty good, as a family comedy drama

they're basically taking the most dramatic events that can happen in a family and exaggerating it. No one would watch if everybody was sane and nice and sweet and kind to everybody else.

Sure :)
Nice CEOs who aren't bullies/don't force their subordinates to do stuff:
- Never Twice(family drama, FL is a divorcee with a baby, is his secretary for a quarter of the drama)
- Secret Life of My Secretary(FL could be seen as a doormat but she learns and Veronica Paaaarrk is a whole reason why you can't miss the drama XD)
- Jugglers(ML isn't a CEO but holds a manager post, FL is his secretary - the whole drama is about secretaries)

CEOs who start out arrogant but soften up somewhere in the middle and the FL isnt a doormat(but the relationship isn't toxic)
- What's Wrong With Secretary Kim(FL is ML's secretary)
- Strong Woman Do Bong Soon(FL is ML's secretary)
- 1% of Something(FL is a kindergarten teacher)
- Suspicious Partner(ML isn't a chaebol but he's the CEO of a small law firm after he loses his prosecutor job, FL is a lawyer at his firm)
- Lost Romance(honestly one of the best, funniest romances everrrr, FL works at a publishing house in the real world and as ML's employee, then housekeeper in the fictional world)
- I'm Not A Robot(not an office drama but the ML is a CEO, FL is an enterpreneur inventor with two part time jobs: rare toy-buying agent and then a robot in ML's house)
- Tomorrow With You(not an office drama but ML is a real estate company CEO and FL is a photographer, the chemistry is FIRE)

just keep the CEO romances coming I'll swallow them all up as long as the CEO isn't a beast and the FL isn't a doormat

honestly atp WDR is my favorite character... shes screechy, unpredictable and just downright ridiculous - someone who shouldn't be taken seriously. shes so brainless that it's hard to hate her

hating this drama is my number one joy in life rn

i agree with you completely. coincidentally, the only time i ever got SLS was Who Are You 2015 too. I just got the feeling that SML truly liked the FL while ML was in love with the twin sister and switched tracks for reasons i still don't understand.

I really, really thought this would be a mature, reasonable drama. Cdrama writers have disappointed me yet again. I'm forced to continue watching, but this whole "Let's not tell the bio father anything because the grandfather is evil and the mother is idk just wack" thing is really annoying. They're both targeting his privacy. They're both targeting his financial and medical records. They're both targeting his child. But noooo nobody is allowed to tell him anything, because then we would have no content to fill this drama with.

SQ is one of my favorite characters in the show

He says he doesn't know, but every time he talks about the case, he groups NYS with the rest of them. To him, NYS is the same as his father. Finally, he asks her to tell him but of course we can't have the drama progress reasonably so we have to take her shit excuse as a reason for not involving him at all. It's almost laughable. A grandfather and mother are fighting a custody case, and both decide to keep the biological father in the dark because WHY NOT, we need to extend this drama by a lot more episodes!

you're right, I did feel something in their interactions

14 but they throw hints allll over the place even before that... they make such a big deal of Sun Zhijun being infertile, it's not hard to come to the conclusion

he didn't believe it, though. He says himself that he never believed what she said. He "hated" her because he didn't understand why she did that to him. If he hated her so much and believed she didn't love him, why is the first time we see him on screen the scene where he's buying her a cake, writing a "Dear Tan Jing" card, and going to visit her house? He changed his attitude after she tells him she's married with a kid. He thought she had moved on with life, and for the first time, his belief that she really loved him was challenged. And it's not like she has a transparent personality, either.

I also don't think SFT is qualified to be an "outsider." He clearly has deep-set grudges against NDY, and he was(probably still is) jealous of NYS. That does not make him impartial. In his advice, he assumes NYS was exactly like his father. Because he did that, he sowed seeds of doubt against NYS in TJ's mind, which was already confused. If she really wants impartial advice, she should ask SFT and Shu Qin together, because SQ is the one who knew NYS all these six/seven years. SQ was never ever mean to her, and she took everything so rationally. I can't see why someone would think she's unreliable.

I agree with you about TJ being afraid, more than being proud. Rn, the situation is - NDY wants NYS and PP without TJ. TJ wants NYS and PP without NDY. The link here is NYS. It's not like he's on good terms with his dad. From the very beginning, he's been rebelling against him. When Chubster(NYS' lawyer friend) tells him he should stop investigating, "because after all, he's your father," NYS doesn't listen to him and asks "What about what's right and wrong?" NYS isn't going to be partial. TJ is clearly his priority. NYS held his father at a huge distance all through the seven years because he had an inkling he was involved and also because he was going against his wishes by being a doctor. He didn't visit him before and doesn't visit him much in the hospital either. It's just because NDY is in the hospital that they see each other so much. I still don't understand why PP won't be hers if she lets NYS share custody. NYS lives in his own house and has his own life. Even after shooing TJ away, his dad wasn't able to convince him to stop being a doctor and take over the company. SQ was the one trying to patch the father-son relationship by calling NDY over and cooking for him. NYS wasn't really interested. The dad is going to die in a few years anyway. Why do we care so much about the stuff he does?

NYS and TJ's past relationship is still unclear to me. Were they married? IDK. They seemed to have lived together for some time. If they were living together, that means both families knew they were together. She has that showdown with NDY only when her father dies. Did she go to meet NYS in Belgium? I think so. No, actually, i still don't know. Did she marry him there? IDK. Did he go to Belgium twice? I don't know. So were they living together and THEN he goes to Belgium for the first time? Maybe. IDK with whose money NYS was going to college, but it seemed that he was also earning on the side - he scrimped and saved to buy her stuff, which means he wasn't completely living off his dad's money. If TJ's dad knew she was with NYS, would he really be happy seeing the situation they are in rn? A lot of things aren't adding up here.

If the Nie family wasn't rich, it would still matter. It would actually be a lot better, since the nasty father would be less of a problem. NYS is the father of the kid. She wants to get back with him but also doesn't want to get back with him(Yes, she's afraid, I know). Both NYS and SZJ lay claim to the role of PP's father, and she doesn't stop either of them. She didn't marry SZJ, but she allowed him to adopt the child. She even offered to tell PP that NYS is the father, but NYS was the one who told her to take it slow. Sun Zhijun isn't part of any of her plans. Again, that part confuses me, because I'm sure a mother can give her name to her child in China. I remember watching a drama where the FL is pregnant and the father says "We'll have two kids. One can have the mom's surname and the other can have the dad's." (the parents were legally married, staying together/planning to stay together forever, in love, planned to raise their kids in the same house together, everything.)

NYS isn't forcing himself on PP or TJ. He's asked permission to enter their lives multiple times. He gave her his keys. She took it. He asked if he could get closer to his son. She allowed it. He watched over PP during the weekends and she allowed it. He kissed her. She kissed him back. He asked her to divorce SZJ. She agreed(even though it's a lie, to him, it's another signal). He told her he wanted to work with her as PP's parents and not as the children of archenemies. She didn't say no. He said he wanted to be honest with her, and he WAS honest with her. He didn't ask for accountability in return, which means he's trying to give her space too. He asked about custody, and she didn't really answer.

I'm not saying either FL or ML is a bad person. All people are grey.

I don't think Shu Qin would have, though... her heart was still totally with Mark. She seemed to have said yes because Mark showed so much nonchalance when she told him NYS had asked her out. Then they have dinner together and shoot undercover darts at each other in the conversation. SQ used NYS to needle Mark, and it worked. He responded with jealousy, constantly bringing NYS up in every conversation with her. That's when she knew he wasn't over her either.

Just in case someone misunderstands, I'm not saying SQ is a bad character here. I think that arc played out very well. Both NYS and SQ are very smart people.

oh we're all just discussing the drama and the characters - not taking anything very seriously lol