- UFFFFFFFFFFFF ....... such a drama for nothing .... the last few episodes were just a cliché ... just making a drama out of nothing - nothing substantial - if only it had been a truly real situation, not the same misunderstandings resulting from lack of communication ... I mean, at some point someone will have to make a kdrama in which they will communicate ... I'll wait for that series :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
- so, it seems to me that the best actor is Gun (has the most promising role), the role of Pond still doesn't excel in anything in particular, and Dew is sooooooooo cute and looks good with Pahn, they really look good together ............... but somehow their scenes don't seem to work out .... when they have to be nervous and raise their voices at each other, it's like they have no voice, and the chemistry between the main couple is given by the fact that they are such cute individuals they don't try to create chemistry (maybe they're too young and haven't gotten there yet - roles where you don't have to rely only on your beauty and saying some lines ... you also have to create certain feelings) - but somehow it seems like a step forward in terms of production, sound, music... they're trying something with this film
It seems that in episode 6 a bond was made - everybody is human but I still wonder why Joon Seok broke up with Mi Ran ... it seems like he's still following her, helping her, watching her (I don't think her weight was the problem) ...
😭The fight scenes are so funny to me cause what are you guys doing?! I can't fight or anything but?! Maybe…
or any other series for that matter :))))))))))))))))))) ... only Thay series/movies have this slow pace - it's like: "oh, we're bad, let's fight ..... but please don't hurt me" :)))))))))))))))))))))))) ... fighting just doesn't seem to be in their genes :)))))))))))
- so ... the first 3 episodes caught my attention ... I like the plot, I like the idea of a mafia with drugs, with beatings, with murders, I liked that it actually showed us that in prison Sun took enough beatings for 10 lifetimes, I like the toughness of the mafia bosses (the scene where Jun Ho didn't speak Thai and the boss hit his head on the steering wheel was a 10 - top notch, or when Peace told his father that he chose philosophy at university, not what he wanted, and that he thought the business is not for him ... and then the mafia boss got up from his seat and gave him a slap that made him remember who he was talking to ..... liked it) - finally we have more intense BL (it seems much darker and more intense than KinnPorsche, Manner of Death, or Jack & Joker) - what I don't really like are the fight scenes, or rather their too slow pace ......... you can actually see that they are planned, you can see how they dodge, I think if they were at least faster they would be much more pleasant to watch ........ the fights are like kindergarten children fighting - sometimes you can actually see them jumping on one leg, I actually have the feeling that they are fighting 20 cm away from each other and only the filming angle creates the illusion of a fight between 2-3 ... etc ... people ... (and I've seen in several series how Thai fights are in slow motion - that's the only thing that bothers me visually)
- I understand Jae Yeol's jealousy, I mean how should he feel when he saw Ji Won (the other guy who likes Bani) covering her up at night in the studio, how should he feel when he gave up spending time with his friends to hang out with Bani, and she's with her group friends - including Ji Won, his competitor - and then his friends call's him to tell him that while he's waiting for her to reply, she's actually drinking with her friends, implicitly with Ji Won .... anyone would be jealous in such a situation ... Ji Won has the same specialization as Bani, they spend many hours together, much more than Jae Yeol spends with Bani ... let's be realistic ... anyone would be jealous ... and ... they haven't spent a night together yet - like in university 2 people in love when they are together alone they just have a little kiss ............. like ............. realy ????? .................... I mean anyway the script is about CRUSH ... more like a high school crush than a college crush ......... but still a CRUSH - and Bani's character, seriously now, doesn't she really realize it? yet she's a girl over 20 years old ..... somehow this innocence of hers is taken to the point of stupidity - and when Bani's father had the accident Jae Yeol called Ji Won because he knew he could help and that he wanted to be with Bani ... so ........... - and the fact that Ji Won decided to leave for the US to distance himself from Bani, and Bani goes there for school - somehow it seems like it's destiny so it's normal for Jae Yeol to be afraid - Anyone would have reservations or doubts... - It's normal for her to leave just as it's normal for him to not want to let her go and to be insecure and jealous. - Somehow this scenario seemed nice and fresh to me at first and now it's back to the classic breakups, misunderstandings ... it's basically the same kdrama scenario ... frustrating
so ................... if they cleared things out, why doesn't Min Jun want Jin Hwan anymore? trust issues ??? ... it's clear that he still likes him ???? ... don't understand ... is he ashamed that he misinterpreted Jin Hwan's actions ????
I still don't feel like killing Tae Yun makes sense ... he was the only one who didn't bother anyone ... he even expressed that he didn't feel like being involved in Daesan was a career for him, so clearly he would have left later ... why was he killed
Can you please tell me why it was so good the ending? ... HID is dead ... DongJu is gone because he had enough…
ok ok ... - YEOM lost what you said, but in the end he did managed to destroy the CHA family and DAESAN Group, because Ji Seon U will do whatever he says ... so that's his success... and anyway, you could see on his face when he was theoretically going to prison that he smiled precisely for this reason, because he achieved what he set out to do (because he lost his wife, I don't know how much he suffers) ... and in prison he certainly won't feel as badly as he did in the year he was held by DongJu ... so anyway for him it's definitely a plus - DongJu ... he lost his mother when he was little because of YEOM and HID (his father), then in all 14 episodes he managed to survive all the attempts to be killed by HID (his father) and YEOM, then when they understood that it was all YEOM's plan to destroy DAESAN Group they had one dinner ... that's all they were allowed, then although he managed to become president of DAESAN Group he didn't feel anything like fulfillment, or anything positive - the scene in the last episode with him alone in the president's office and crying shows his loneliness and sadness (it was a very expressive and extremely sad scene in the most intense way) ... - DongJu feels that he can't do it anymore, he's tired of so many attempts, that he's drained of all energy and feelings and the desire to fight because... because... from the beginning he fought alone... the whole series he fought alone - when HID told YEOM that he would help DongJu then he was killed by him, he also had Tae Yun who was the only one who showed him affection from the beginning ... guess what ... he was killed by Ji Seon U (I'm convinced that at YEOM's request), he had a girlfriend at the beginning and that turned out not to be the right thing (good thing the script didn't want them together because it's better not to be with someone like that... but I repeat... he was also left without love) - and the last scene where he throws HID's ashes in the place where he saved him, and him on the boat ... it doesn't show anything positive ... you simply feel his sadness, loneliness and the emptiness in his soul - the fact that he was left with that money and that he can do whatever he wants with it, in this context it doesn't seem balanced to me with all his suffering of 15 episodes - him on the boat not knowing that Tae Yun (his brother) was killed by Ji Seon U (I'll say it again - most likely at YEOM's request) - not to mention that Tae Yun told DongJu that he realized that this business wasn't for him, but DongJu told him to hold on a little longer and if he still feels that it's not his he'll let him go ........................... if he finds out that Tae Yun was killed, won't he feel guilty at all? - I didn't expect this series to be about romance, since it was killed in the first episode, so that's clearly out of the question, but the fact that Dong Ju fought for 15 episodes for his life and lost his family again ... I forgot to mention the sister (the nun) ... and all he managed was to remain with some money ... so that's all? ... is that the end? ... money? - and the fact that ouch ... in the end he wasn't killed? ... is that the positive? ... when practically throughout ep 16 you feel the emptiness in his soul and eyes, you feel the resignation that it actually doesn't make sense anymore? ... so ... it that all?????
I'll probably disagree with a lot of people but I found the final episode absolutely fitting and amazing and I…
Can you please tell me why it was so good the ending? ... HID is dead ... DongJu is gone because he had enough and everything drained him ... TaeYun is dead (why? That murder was for nothing because he didn't want to be in the business anyway) ... And the only one that won is YEOM = the villain ... I know it shouldn't always be a happy ending , but at least a balance - Something bad and something good (I understand that revenge thing doesn't bring you happiness... But it's like his work for 14 EP was for nothing and he lost all his family for the second time) ... Am I missing something???
WTF is with this ending? ... If it's not an open ending for a continuation then it's very stupid ... It's like I've watch 15 episodes for nothing ... Very disappointing ... So 13-14 EP were amazing ... And then this??? This is not an ending (I do not accept this ending ... No ... No ... No ... Very stupid)
ep 13 ....... loved it! loved it! loved it! - what scenes!!! ... so ..... at the beginning when Tae Yun came to stopp Il Do from shooting Dong Ju and how both brothers looked at their father ... wow !!! and then immediately after the power exchange - Dong Ju took the gun from Il Do's hand and pointed it at him ... and somehow the 2 brothers were on one side, the father on the other ... wow! ... and the looks in everyone's eyes - Tae Yun had worry in his eyes, Dong Ju anger and Il Do amazement mixed with bewilderment ... each actor expressed very beautifully the feelings of the characters ... superb!, and the moment when Dong Ju put his hand on Il Do and approached his ear and told him to leave with the gun pointed at Jang Seon's people ... I simply had goosebumps ...... what a scene!!!!! - and then the scene when Tae Yun tells Dong Ju that he can't forgive their father for what he did to him somehow telling him that he's on his side ... and then Dong Ju took his brother's hand ... OMG... gorgeous ... a very beautiful bond between brothers - and then the scene where Jang Seon tells Il Do: "boohoo! I killed my son multiple times. It's so paintful. Please, pity me. What a pathetic sight!" ............ so true to his character - loved it!!! ... big fan of Huh Joon Ho - please, please, please ......... can I slap Eun Nam ........... she is not feeling the love??????? ........... OMG ... (I think the screenwriter hated her from the beginning) - Even the ending was as it should be .......... This trio of actors were so well chosen for these roles and got into the characters so well ... they have such strong chemistry seems like the rest don't even seem to be up to their level, anyway it is clearly that this scenario is effectively for and about this 3 characters
- so everyone kills everyone ... it doesn't matter the reason - jealousy, nerves, anger, frustration ... let it be murder ... and somehow everyone gets caught but no one calls the police, everyone covers for each other ... I mean seriously ... it seems like everyone is psycho - poor baby boy Yeong Ju - bye bye dogs ... like OMG !!!!! Dr. Choi what have you done :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) SeOk is savage - even for a fantasy series ... it's way too exaggerated ... it's something like "which on which" and "let's see what you've got" - aaaaa ... so he killed his friend because he said she had mental problems??? :)))))))))))) - now that's wild :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) - the moment they talked on the boat ... after the surgery ... nice ... the only emotional moment in 6 episodes ... it was needed - oh ... the ending of ep 6 ... finally something I resonate with ... best ep so far ... loved it
felt the same way ... and I said it after ep 9 ... it started well, promising, but halfway through it seemed to…
Oh ... Come on ... They had their moments - like the moment when they were talking under the cherry tree ... I know ... cliché - but it was a romantic moment, then when he realized that she was her love him from kindergarten (all those cute moments with the blush on their cheeks ... with him taking the cold shower ... Teaching her to protect herself ... etc) ... then with learning to play the piano - it was all about romance ... the scenes at the ball when she came in her dress and he complimented her then the scene with the dance - fight... it was all about romance ... when they stayed up all night and worked together and each one secretly looked at the other ... When she got stabbed ... etc ... and many other cute little moments ... - as I said ... it seemed like too many such moments to me ... too few to you ... it's ok ... it's just my opinion - because the comment was purely my opinion - because it seems to me that they wanted this series to have everything: action, suspense, crime, love, friendship... everything... so in my opinion the second half, of the series got worse ... Ruined the first half
Whilst i understand your criticism, i do have to point out that anyone familiar with the director's work would…
- he definitely excels in this area, but somehow it doesn't fit with the title of the series: "the art of negotiation" ....... it doesn't fit with the subject of the film - in a large company with financial problems, a certain man Ju No (or the white snake) is called in for his ability to negotiate and get them out of the shit they're in ... he creates a team to help him have all the data necessary for each negotiation ..... so from here I deduced that the series would be about business, negotiation and not about the mundanity of everyday life. - and these things were presented right in the first episode, so I didn't really have any other way to think about it ... so somehow either the series' script doesn't match the director... or the director isn't the best fit for this type of subject (I repeat ... I didn't say he's not a good director or that it's not a good script - that's another discussion - I just said that maybe it's not the best fit - both script and director - to make a series that keeps you captivated in front of the screen - after all, that's what it's all about) - and more than the fact that it is sometimes boring, I am more bothered by the fact that it does not show us a more intense / large exchange of negotiation ... that the nickname is not explained to us ... that ... that ... I repeat ... the script is still a problem (and honestly I think I have a bigger problem with the film's script than with the director ... in my opinion everything starts from the script ... and from the start you can see the shortcomings / problems ... so I blame the script more)
- it seems to me that it doesn't actually show us the art of negotiation ... (for example, it seems to me that the Hot Stove League series focused much more on negotiation and we even saw negotiation styles in various crisis situations, and it was even more entertaining, compared to this series which has the title and should focus on THE ART OF NEGOTIATION ... meaning we should see non-stop negotiation and be amazed at how they negotiate in certain situations) - but after episode 8 it seems to me that they are focusing more on dramatic sentimental situations (somehow to impress sentimentally and from sentimentality situations comes negotiation - ) - and the pace is simply extremely slow for negotiation ... meaning it's a crisis situation but they present it as a story read by a tired man to a small child :)))))) ..... sooooooooooo slooooow - and it's already past half of the series and we still don't have a single hint of how he got his nickname of the white snake - apart from the fact that he has white hair you wouldn't even realize that he's somehow sneaky... cunning... etc - In my opinion, if you want to watch series that really entertains you and are in this business field and have a good script - I recommend Hot Stove League and The Auditors ... this series is extremely slow and I'm sorry because I only watch it for Lee Je Hoon
- if only it had been a truly real situation, not the same misunderstandings resulting from lack of communication ... I mean, at some point someone will have to make a kdrama in which they will communicate ... I'll wait for that series :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
- but somehow it seems like a step forward in terms of production, sound, music... they're trying something with this film
but I still wonder why Joon Seok broke up with Mi Ran ... it seems like he's still following her, helping her, watching her (I don't think her weight was the problem) ...
- what I don't really like are the fight scenes, or rather their too slow pace ......... you can actually see that they are planned, you can see how they dodge, I think if they were at least faster they would be much more pleasant to watch ........ the fights are like kindergarten children fighting - sometimes you can actually see them jumping on one leg, I actually have the feeling that they are fighting 20 cm away from each other and only the filming angle creates the illusion of a fight between 2-3 ... etc ... people ... (and I've seen in several series how Thai fights are in slow motion - that's the only thing that bothers me visually)
- and Bani's character, seriously now, doesn't she really realize it? yet she's a girl over 20 years old ..... somehow this innocence of hers is taken to the point of stupidity
- and when Bani's father had the accident Jae Yeol called Ji Won because he knew he could help and that he wanted to be with Bani ... so ...........
- and the fact that Ji Won decided to leave for the US to distance himself from Bani, and Bani goes there for school - somehow it seems like it's destiny so it's normal for Jae Yeol to be afraid
- Anyone would have reservations or doubts...
- It's normal for her to leave just as it's normal for him to not want to let her go and to be insecure and jealous.
- Somehow this scenario seemed nice and fresh to me at first and now it's back to the classic breakups, misunderstandings ... it's basically the same kdrama scenario ... frustrating
- YEOM lost what you said, but in the end he did managed to destroy the CHA family and DAESAN Group, because Ji Seon U will do whatever he says ... so that's his success... and anyway, you could see on his face when he was theoretically going to prison that he smiled precisely for this reason, because he achieved what he set out to do (because he lost his wife, I don't know how much he suffers) ...
and in prison he certainly won't feel as badly as he did in the year he was held by DongJu ... so anyway for him it's definitely a plus
- DongJu ... he lost his mother when he was little because of YEOM and HID (his father), then in all 14 episodes he managed to survive all the attempts to be killed by HID (his father) and YEOM, then when they understood that it was all YEOM's plan to destroy DAESAN Group they had one dinner ... that's all they were allowed, then although he managed to become president of DAESAN Group he didn't feel anything like fulfillment, or anything positive - the scene in the last episode with him alone in the president's office and crying shows his loneliness and sadness (it was a very expressive and extremely sad scene in the most intense way) ...
- DongJu feels that he can't do it anymore, he's tired of so many attempts, that he's drained of all energy and feelings and the desire to fight because... because... from the beginning he fought alone... the whole series he fought alone - when HID told YEOM that he would help DongJu then he was killed by him, he also had Tae Yun who was the only one who showed him affection from the beginning ... guess what ... he was killed by Ji Seon U (I'm convinced that at YEOM's request), he had a girlfriend at the beginning and that turned out not to be the right thing (good thing the script didn't want them together because it's better not to be with someone like that... but I repeat... he was also left without love)
- and the last scene where he throws HID's ashes in the place where he saved him, and him on the boat ... it doesn't show anything positive ... you simply feel his sadness, loneliness and the emptiness in his soul - the fact that he was left with that money and that he can do whatever he wants with it, in this context it doesn't seem balanced to me with all his suffering of 15 episodes - him on the boat not knowing that Tae Yun (his brother) was killed by Ji Seon U (I'll say it again - most likely at YEOM's request) - not to mention that Tae Yun told DongJu that he realized that this business wasn't for him, but DongJu told him to hold on a little longer and if he still feels that it's not his he'll let him go ........................... if he finds out that Tae Yun was killed, won't he feel guilty at all?
- I didn't expect this series to be about romance, since it was killed in the first episode, so that's clearly out of the question, but the fact that Dong Ju fought for 15 episodes for his life and lost his family again ... I forgot to mention the sister (the nun) ... and all he managed was to remain with some money ... so that's all? ... is that the end? ... money?
- and the fact that ouch ... in the end he wasn't killed? ... is that the positive? ... when practically throughout ep 16 you feel the emptiness in his soul and eyes, you feel the resignation that it actually doesn't make sense anymore? ... so ... it that all?????
- what scenes!!! ... so ..... at the beginning when Tae Yun came to stopp Il Do from shooting Dong Ju and how both brothers looked at their father ... wow !!! and then immediately after the power exchange - Dong Ju took the gun from Il Do's hand and pointed it at him ... and somehow the 2 brothers were on one side, the father on the other ... wow! ... and the looks in everyone's eyes - Tae Yun had worry in his eyes, Dong Ju anger and Il Do amazement mixed with bewilderment ... each actor expressed very beautifully the feelings of the characters ... superb!, and the moment when Dong Ju put his hand on Il Do and approached his ear and told him to leave with the gun pointed at Jang Seon's people ... I simply had goosebumps ...... what a scene!!!!!
- and then the scene when Tae Yun tells Dong Ju that he can't forgive their father for what he did to him somehow telling him that he's on his side ... and then Dong Ju took his brother's hand ... OMG... gorgeous ... a very beautiful bond between brothers
- and then the scene where Jang Seon tells Il Do: "boohoo! I killed my son multiple times. It's so paintful. Please, pity me. What a pathetic sight!" ............ so true to his character - loved it!!! ... big fan of Huh Joon Ho
- please, please, please ......... can I slap Eun Nam ........... she is not feeling the love??????? ........... OMG ...
(I think the screenwriter hated her from the beginning)
- Even the ending was as it should be .......... This trio of actors were so well chosen for these roles and got into the characters so well ... they have such strong chemistry seems like the rest don't even seem to be up to their level, anyway it is clearly that this scenario is effectively for and about this 3 characters
- poor baby boy Yeong Ju
- bye bye dogs ... like OMG !!!!! Dr. Choi what have you done :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) SeOk is savage
- even for a fantasy series ... it's way too exaggerated ... it's something like "which on which" and "let's see what you've got"
- aaaaa ... so he killed his friend because he said she had mental problems??? :)))))))))))) - now that's wild :))))))))))))))))))))))))))
- the moment they talked on the boat ... after the surgery ... nice ... the only emotional moment in 6 episodes ... it was needed
- oh ... the ending of ep 6 ... finally something I resonate with ... best ep so far ... loved it
- as I said ... it seemed like too many such moments to me ... too few to you ... it's ok ... it's just my opinion - because the comment was purely my opinion
- because it seems to me that they wanted this series to have everything: action, suspense, crime, love, friendship... everything... so in my opinion the second half, of the series got worse ... Ruined the first half
- and more than the fact that it is sometimes boring, I am more bothered by the fact that it does not show us a more intense / large exchange of negotiation ... that the nickname is not explained to us ... that ... that ... I repeat ... the script is still a problem (and honestly I think I have a bigger problem with the film's script than with the director ... in my opinion everything starts from the script ... and from the start you can see the shortcomings / problems ... so I blame the script more)
- but after episode 8 it seems to me that they are focusing more on dramatic sentimental situations (somehow to impress sentimentally and from sentimentality situations comes negotiation - )
- and the pace is simply extremely slow for negotiation ... meaning it's a crisis situation but they present it as a story read by a tired man to a small child :)))))) ..... sooooooooooo slooooow
- and it's already past half of the series and we still don't have a single hint of how he got his nickname of the white snake - apart from the fact that he has white hair you wouldn't even realize that he's somehow sneaky... cunning... etc
- In my opinion, if you want to watch series that really entertains you and are in this business field and have a good script - I recommend Hot Stove League and The Auditors ... this series is extremely slow and I'm sorry because I only watch it for Lee Je Hoon