so ................... if they cleared things out, why doesn't Min Jun want Jin Hwan anymore? trust issues ??? ... it's clear that he still likes him ???? ... don't understand ... is he ashamed that he misinterpreted Jin Hwan's actions ????
I still don't feel like killing Tae Yun makes sense ... he was the only one who didn't bother anyone ... he even expressed that he didn't feel like being involved in Daesan was a career for him, so clearly he would have left later ... why was he killed
Can you please tell me why it was so good the ending? ... HID is dead ... DongJu is gone because he had enough…
ok ok ... - YEOM lost what you said, but in the end he did managed to destroy the CHA family and DAESAN Group, because Ji Seon U will do whatever he says ... so that's his success... and anyway, you could see on his face when he was theoretically going to prison that he smiled precisely for this reason, because he achieved what he set out to do (because he lost his wife, I don't know how much he suffers) ... and in prison he certainly won't feel as badly as he did in the year he was held by DongJu ... so anyway for him it's definitely a plus - DongJu ... he lost his mother when he was little because of YEOM and HID (his father), then in all 14 episodes he managed to survive all the attempts to be killed by HID (his father) and YEOM, then when they understood that it was all YEOM's plan to destroy DAESAN Group they had one dinner ... that's all they were allowed, then although he managed to become president of DAESAN Group he didn't feel anything like fulfillment, or anything positive - the scene in the last episode with him alone in the president's office and crying shows his loneliness and sadness (it was a very expressive and extremely sad scene in the most intense way) ... - DongJu feels that he can't do it anymore, he's tired of so many attempts, that he's drained of all energy and feelings and the desire to fight because... because... from the beginning he fought alone... the whole series he fought alone - when HID told YEOM that he would help DongJu then he was killed by him, he also had Tae Yun who was the only one who showed him affection from the beginning ... guess what ... he was killed by Ji Seon U (I'm convinced that at YEOM's request), he had a girlfriend at the beginning and that turned out not to be the right thing (good thing the script didn't want them together because it's better not to be with someone like that... but I repeat... he was also left without love) - and the last scene where he throws HID's ashes in the place where he saved him, and him on the boat ... it doesn't show anything positive ... you simply feel his sadness, loneliness and the emptiness in his soul - the fact that he was left with that money and that he can do whatever he wants with it, in this context it doesn't seem balanced to me with all his suffering of 15 episodes - him on the boat not knowing that Tae Yun (his brother) was killed by Ji Seon U (I'll say it again - most likely at YEOM's request) - not to mention that Tae Yun told DongJu that he realized that this business wasn't for him, but DongJu told him to hold on a little longer and if he still feels that it's not his he'll let him go ........................... if he finds out that Tae Yun was killed, won't he feel guilty at all? - I didn't expect this series to be about romance, since it was killed in the first episode, so that's clearly out of the question, but the fact that Dong Ju fought for 15 episodes for his life and lost his family again ... I forgot to mention the sister (the nun) ... and all he managed was to remain with some money ... so that's all? ... is that the end? ... money? - and the fact that ouch ... in the end he wasn't killed? ... is that the positive? ... when practically throughout ep 16 you feel the emptiness in his soul and eyes, you feel the resignation that it actually doesn't make sense anymore? ... so ... it that all?????
I'll probably disagree with a lot of people but I found the final episode absolutely fitting and amazing and I…
Can you please tell me why it was so good the ending? ... HID is dead ... DongJu is gone because he had enough and everything drained him ... TaeYun is dead (why? That murder was for nothing because he didn't want to be in the business anyway) ... And the only one that won is YEOM = the villain ... I know it shouldn't always be a happy ending , but at least a balance - Something bad and something good (I understand that revenge thing doesn't bring you happiness... But it's like his work for 14 EP was for nothing and he lost all his family for the second time) ... Am I missing something???
WTF is with this ending? ... If it's not an open ending for a continuation then it's very stupid ... It's like I've watch 15 episodes for nothing ... Very disappointing ... So 13-14 EP were amazing ... And then this??? This is not an ending (I do not accept this ending ... No ... No ... No ... Very stupid)
ep 13 ....... loved it! loved it! loved it! - what scenes!!! ... so ..... at the beginning when Tae Yun came to stopp Il Do from shooting Dong Ju and how both brothers looked at their father ... wow !!! and then immediately after the power exchange - Dong Ju took the gun from Il Do's hand and pointed it at him ... and somehow the 2 brothers were on one side, the father on the other ... wow! ... and the looks in everyone's eyes - Tae Yun had worry in his eyes, Dong Ju anger and Il Do amazement mixed with bewilderment ... each actor expressed very beautifully the feelings of the characters ... superb!, and the moment when Dong Ju put his hand on Il Do and approached his ear and told him to leave with the gun pointed at Jang Seon's people ... I simply had goosebumps ...... what a scene!!!!! - and then the scene when Tae Yun tells Dong Ju that he can't forgive their father for what he did to him somehow telling him that he's on his side ... and then Dong Ju took his brother's hand ... OMG... gorgeous ... a very beautiful bond between brothers - and then the scene where Jang Seon tells Il Do: "boohoo! I killed my son multiple times. It's so paintful. Please, pity me. What a pathetic sight!" ............ so true to his character - loved it!!! ... big fan of Huh Joon Ho - please, please, please ......... can I slap Eun Nam ........... she is not feeling the love??????? ........... OMG ... (I think the screenwriter hated her from the beginning) - Even the ending was as it should be .......... This trio of actors were so well chosen for these roles and got into the characters so well ... they have such strong chemistry seems like the rest don't even seem to be up to their level, anyway it is clearly that this scenario is effectively for and about this 3 characters
- so everyone kills everyone ... it doesn't matter the reason - jealousy, nerves, anger, frustration ... let it be murder ... and somehow everyone gets caught but no one calls the police, everyone covers for each other ... I mean seriously ... it seems like everyone is psycho - poor baby boy Yeong Ju - bye bye dogs ... like OMG !!!!! Dr. Choi what have you done :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) SeOk is savage - even for a fantasy series ... it's way too exaggerated ... it's something like "which on which" and "let's see what you've got" - aaaaa ... so he killed his friend because he said she had mental problems??? :)))))))))))) - now that's wild :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) - the moment they talked on the boat ... after the surgery ... nice ... the only emotional moment in 6 episodes ... it was needed - oh ... the ending of ep 6 ... finally something I resonate with ... best ep so far ... loved it
felt the same way ... and I said it after ep 9 ... it started well, promising, but halfway through it seemed to…
Oh ... Come on ... They had their moments - like the moment when they were talking under the cherry tree ... I know ... cliché - but it was a romantic moment, then when he realized that she was her love him from kindergarten (all those cute moments with the blush on their cheeks ... with him taking the cold shower ... Teaching her to protect herself ... etc) ... then with learning to play the piano - it was all about romance ... the scenes at the ball when she came in her dress and he complimented her then the scene with the dance - fight... it was all about romance ... when they stayed up all night and worked together and each one secretly looked at the other ... When she got stabbed ... etc ... and many other cute little moments ... - as I said ... it seemed like too many such moments to me ... too few to you ... it's ok ... it's just my opinion - because the comment was purely my opinion - because it seems to me that they wanted this series to have everything: action, suspense, crime, love, friendship... everything... so in my opinion the second half, of the series got worse ... Ruined the first half
Whilst i understand your criticism, i do have to point out that anyone familiar with the director's work would…
- he definitely excels in this area, but somehow it doesn't fit with the title of the series: "the art of negotiation" ....... it doesn't fit with the subject of the film - in a large company with financial problems, a certain man Ju No (or the white snake) is called in for his ability to negotiate and get them out of the shit they're in ... he creates a team to help him have all the data necessary for each negotiation ..... so from here I deduced that the series would be about business, negotiation and not about the mundanity of everyday life. - and these things were presented right in the first episode, so I didn't really have any other way to think about it ... so somehow either the series' script doesn't match the director... or the director isn't the best fit for this type of subject (I repeat ... I didn't say he's not a good director or that it's not a good script - that's another discussion - I just said that maybe it's not the best fit - both script and director - to make a series that keeps you captivated in front of the screen - after all, that's what it's all about) - and more than the fact that it is sometimes boring, I am more bothered by the fact that it does not show us a more intense / large exchange of negotiation ... that the nickname is not explained to us ... that ... that ... I repeat ... the script is still a problem (and honestly I think I have a bigger problem with the film's script than with the director ... in my opinion everything starts from the script ... and from the start you can see the shortcomings / problems ... so I blame the script more)
- it seems to me that it doesn't actually show us the art of negotiation ... (for example, it seems to me that the Hot Stove League series focused much more on negotiation and we even saw negotiation styles in various crisis situations, and it was even more entertaining, compared to this series which has the title and should focus on THE ART OF NEGOTIATION ... meaning we should see non-stop negotiation and be amazed at how they negotiate in certain situations) - but after episode 8 it seems to me that they are focusing more on dramatic sentimental situations (somehow to impress sentimentally and from sentimentality situations comes negotiation - ) - and the pace is simply extremely slow for negotiation ... meaning it's a crisis situation but they present it as a story read by a tired man to a small child :)))))) ..... sooooooooooo slooooow - and it's already past half of the series and we still don't have a single hint of how he got his nickname of the white snake - apart from the fact that he has white hair you wouldn't even realize that he's somehow sneaky... cunning... etc - In my opinion, if you want to watch series that really entertains you and are in this business field and have a good script - I recommend Hot Stove League and The Auditors ... this series is extremely slow and I'm sorry because I only watch it for Lee Je Hoon
I've enjoyed a decent good first half but after that it started to fell off for me. The action scenes were ridicolous…
felt the same way ... and I said it after ep 9 ... it started well, promising, but halfway through it seemed to deflate like a balloon ... they focused more on romance in the second half and all the action (or intrigue) built at the beginning was gone ... too bad for the first half which was really entertaining
I'm in love! - imagine having a nightmare and when you wake up and open your eyes the nightmare is real and right in front of you ... and then the whole scene in Il Do's room was like a dance between them ... it sounds weird ... but all their movements seemed to have some kind of harmony there - I thought it was a very artistic scene (and the eye contact between the two ... very intense) - and the end of episode 12 with close ups on each of the 3 faces ... superb ... each of the 3 actors have superb facial expressions ... - I have to admit that after this series I declare myself a fan of Huh Joon Ho ... each of the 3 main actors plays very well ... but he excels ... he actually ones this role
- now...that's what I call good drama - even the actor who played Dong Ju / Seonghyeon young played well - and the scene where Il Do hit the car with the 3 of them into the abyss (with his car) - the look between Il Do as he looks at Seonghyeon and the look of the desperate little Seonghyeon as he looks back at Il Do and cries ... and they all fall into the void .................. priceless
- so we have a series about 2 psychopaths who feel like they are the same, but who make each other's life miserable and therefore punish each other. My guess is that the old psychopath became a psychopath because of her, because before he met her I think he was just an extremely dedicated doctor, but she managed to transform him. - somehow it's clear from the beginning that she can't control herself, that she wants all the attention to be just for herself, and yes she was an extremely talented and dedicated medical student (kind of a prodigy), maybe that's where her vanity and arrogance come from - but the fact that she starts killing like she's eating candy... seems a bit exaggerated to me, and the fact that Deok Hui accepts and understands it and isn't scared of her behavior seems a bit exaggerated as well. and then he starts to kill like he's eating candy ... so normal ... and all the crimes seem so absurd ... I mean, he clearly has an admiration for her talent, he probably worked his whole life to get where he is now, and she makes absolutely everything perfect out of her talent because she's a prodigy ... so yes... admiration... maybe a little jealousy... maybe... but it seems to me that more than anything he wants to accept her as she is just for her talent - it is clear that she has no other feelings other than revenge, irritation and obsession on Deok Hui - and I really don't understand Yeong Ju's role... he's always by her side, does absolutely everything she says, everyone pushes him out of any discussion - he always has to sit outside, or at another table... etc. - but it's definitely not a movie about the student and the teacher because we're not shown that deep relationship ... it's more like this is how you are, this is how I am... and that's it - and in every episode somebody dies - so somehow it seems like we're talking about a serial killer who also operates underground - on the black market - I have mixed feelings about this series.
- Is it just me or was it much more promising in the beginning, and now it seems to have softened towards the end? - I think ML and FL have dimples chemistry ... they are so sweet together when they smile
- YEOM lost what you said, but in the end he did managed to destroy the CHA family and DAESAN Group, because Ji Seon U will do whatever he says ... so that's his success... and anyway, you could see on his face when he was theoretically going to prison that he smiled precisely for this reason, because he achieved what he set out to do (because he lost his wife, I don't know how much he suffers) ...
and in prison he certainly won't feel as badly as he did in the year he was held by DongJu ... so anyway for him it's definitely a plus
- DongJu ... he lost his mother when he was little because of YEOM and HID (his father), then in all 14 episodes he managed to survive all the attempts to be killed by HID (his father) and YEOM, then when they understood that it was all YEOM's plan to destroy DAESAN Group they had one dinner ... that's all they were allowed, then although he managed to become president of DAESAN Group he didn't feel anything like fulfillment, or anything positive - the scene in the last episode with him alone in the president's office and crying shows his loneliness and sadness (it was a very expressive and extremely sad scene in the most intense way) ...
- DongJu feels that he can't do it anymore, he's tired of so many attempts, that he's drained of all energy and feelings and the desire to fight because... because... from the beginning he fought alone... the whole series he fought alone - when HID told YEOM that he would help DongJu then he was killed by him, he also had Tae Yun who was the only one who showed him affection from the beginning ... guess what ... he was killed by Ji Seon U (I'm convinced that at YEOM's request), he had a girlfriend at the beginning and that turned out not to be the right thing (good thing the script didn't want them together because it's better not to be with someone like that... but I repeat... he was also left without love)
- and the last scene where he throws HID's ashes in the place where he saved him, and him on the boat ... it doesn't show anything positive ... you simply feel his sadness, loneliness and the emptiness in his soul - the fact that he was left with that money and that he can do whatever he wants with it, in this context it doesn't seem balanced to me with all his suffering of 15 episodes - him on the boat not knowing that Tae Yun (his brother) was killed by Ji Seon U (I'll say it again - most likely at YEOM's request) - not to mention that Tae Yun told DongJu that he realized that this business wasn't for him, but DongJu told him to hold on a little longer and if he still feels that it's not his he'll let him go ........................... if he finds out that Tae Yun was killed, won't he feel guilty at all?
- I didn't expect this series to be about romance, since it was killed in the first episode, so that's clearly out of the question, but the fact that Dong Ju fought for 15 episodes for his life and lost his family again ... I forgot to mention the sister (the nun) ... and all he managed was to remain with some money ... so that's all? ... is that the end? ... money?
- and the fact that ouch ... in the end he wasn't killed? ... is that the positive? ... when practically throughout ep 16 you feel the emptiness in his soul and eyes, you feel the resignation that it actually doesn't make sense anymore? ... so ... it that all?????
- what scenes!!! ... so ..... at the beginning when Tae Yun came to stopp Il Do from shooting Dong Ju and how both brothers looked at their father ... wow !!! and then immediately after the power exchange - Dong Ju took the gun from Il Do's hand and pointed it at him ... and somehow the 2 brothers were on one side, the father on the other ... wow! ... and the looks in everyone's eyes - Tae Yun had worry in his eyes, Dong Ju anger and Il Do amazement mixed with bewilderment ... each actor expressed very beautifully the feelings of the characters ... superb!, and the moment when Dong Ju put his hand on Il Do and approached his ear and told him to leave with the gun pointed at Jang Seon's people ... I simply had goosebumps ...... what a scene!!!!!
- and then the scene when Tae Yun tells Dong Ju that he can't forgive their father for what he did to him somehow telling him that he's on his side ... and then Dong Ju took his brother's hand ... OMG... gorgeous ... a very beautiful bond between brothers
- and then the scene where Jang Seon tells Il Do: "boohoo! I killed my son multiple times. It's so paintful. Please, pity me. What a pathetic sight!" ............ so true to his character - loved it!!! ... big fan of Huh Joon Ho
- please, please, please ......... can I slap Eun Nam ........... she is not feeling the love??????? ........... OMG ...
(I think the screenwriter hated her from the beginning)
- Even the ending was as it should be .......... This trio of actors were so well chosen for these roles and got into the characters so well ... they have such strong chemistry seems like the rest don't even seem to be up to their level, anyway it is clearly that this scenario is effectively for and about this 3 characters
- poor baby boy Yeong Ju
- bye bye dogs ... like OMG !!!!! Dr. Choi what have you done :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) SeOk is savage
- even for a fantasy series ... it's way too exaggerated ... it's something like "which on which" and "let's see what you've got"
- aaaaa ... so he killed his friend because he said she had mental problems??? :)))))))))))) - now that's wild :))))))))))))))))))))))))))
- the moment they talked on the boat ... after the surgery ... nice ... the only emotional moment in 6 episodes ... it was needed
- oh ... the ending of ep 6 ... finally something I resonate with ... best ep so far ... loved it
- as I said ... it seemed like too many such moments to me ... too few to you ... it's ok ... it's just my opinion - because the comment was purely my opinion
- because it seems to me that they wanted this series to have everything: action, suspense, crime, love, friendship... everything... so in my opinion the second half, of the series got worse ... Ruined the first half
- and more than the fact that it is sometimes boring, I am more bothered by the fact that it does not show us a more intense / large exchange of negotiation ... that the nickname is not explained to us ... that ... that ... I repeat ... the script is still a problem (and honestly I think I have a bigger problem with the film's script than with the director ... in my opinion everything starts from the script ... and from the start you can see the shortcomings / problems ... so I blame the script more)
- but after episode 8 it seems to me that they are focusing more on dramatic sentimental situations (somehow to impress sentimentally and from sentimentality situations comes negotiation - )
- and the pace is simply extremely slow for negotiation ... meaning it's a crisis situation but they present it as a story read by a tired man to a small child :)))))) ..... sooooooooooo slooooow
- and it's already past half of the series and we still don't have a single hint of how he got his nickname of the white snake - apart from the fact that he has white hair you wouldn't even realize that he's somehow sneaky... cunning... etc
- In my opinion, if you want to watch series that really entertains you and are in this business field and have a good script - I recommend Hot Stove League and The Auditors ... this series is extremely slow and I'm sorry because I only watch it for Lee Je Hoon
- imagine having a nightmare and when you wake up and open your eyes the nightmare is real and right in front of you ... and then the whole scene in Il Do's room was like a dance between them ... it sounds weird ... but all their movements seemed to have some kind of harmony there - I thought it was a very artistic scene (and the eye contact between the two ... very intense)
- and the end of episode 12 with close ups on each of the 3 faces ... superb ... each of the 3 actors have superb facial expressions ...
- I have to admit that after this series I declare myself a fan of Huh Joon Ho ... each of the 3 main actors plays very well ... but he excels ... he actually ones this role
- even the actor who played Dong Ju / Seonghyeon young played well
- and the scene where Il Do hit the car with the 3 of them into the abyss (with his car) - the look between Il Do as he looks at Seonghyeon and the look of the desperate little Seonghyeon as he looks back at Il Do and cries ... and they all fall into the void .................. priceless
- somehow it's clear from the beginning that she can't control herself, that she wants all the attention to be just for herself, and yes she was an extremely talented and dedicated medical student (kind of a prodigy), maybe that's where her vanity and arrogance come from
- but the fact that she starts killing like she's eating candy... seems a bit exaggerated to me, and the fact that Deok Hui accepts and understands it and isn't scared of her behavior seems a bit exaggerated as well. and then he starts to kill like he's eating candy ... so normal ... and all the crimes seem so absurd ...
I mean, he clearly has an admiration for her talent, he probably worked his whole life to get where he is now, and she makes absolutely everything perfect out of her talent because she's a prodigy ... so yes... admiration... maybe a little jealousy... maybe... but it seems to me that more than anything he wants to accept her as she is just for her talent
- it is clear that she has no other feelings other than revenge, irritation and obsession on Deok Hui
- and I really don't understand Yeong Ju's role... he's always by her side, does absolutely everything she says, everyone pushes him out of any discussion - he always has to sit outside, or at another table... etc.
- but it's definitely not a movie about the student and the teacher because we're not shown that deep relationship ... it's more like this is how you are, this is how I am... and that's it
- and in every episode somebody dies - so somehow it seems like we're talking about a serial killer who also operates underground - on the black market
- I have mixed feelings about this series.
- I think ML and FL have dimples chemistry ... they are so sweet together when they smile