But recently I had a hard and long "battle" with YaoJing fans online (most of time it felt like playing chess with a pigeons :)MountainPine:
Playing chess with a pigeon :-). Is that a Ukrainian idiom? I looked up the meaning and, lol!
Where were you having these battles?
Tong Hua's attitude is inconsistent to me.MountainPine:
I don't think Tong Hua is inconsistent. She appears inconsistent because we are looking at these relationships through the lens of a normal, psychologically healthy individual. Xiao Yao, though, is far from that. So Xiao Yao doesn't behave in the way that we are used to, personally, as well as from a fiction perspective. Particularly, romantic fiction. If you look at Xiao Yao's behaviour through the lens of someone heavily avoidant and operating from a place of fear, it would make a lot more sense.
Generally trough the novel she looks to me like a person with her bones broken. And instead of going trough hard and painful rehab to be back to normal life, in the end, she is being put on a wheelchair and surrounded with pillows and someone promises to carry her like that always so she don't feel painMountainPine:
Exactly! Instead of addressing her problems, Xiao Yao chose to ignore and settle for the easier path.
Jing wins in "viewers favorite character online contest" and most of voters were women... How to even explain this? Who makes women weak and dependent? Men or, maybe... we ourselves?MountainPine:
Like Kokuto said, I wouldn't put too much stock in these online contests. During its run, there are different parties with vested interests looking to influence viewers' perception. Money was being poured into voting, as well as social media posts, for this reason. It's part and parcel of the Chinese Drama industry, unfortunately.
And there are many people who not only see nothing wrong with Xiao Yao sneaking around with TSJ while he is still engaged, but find the whole thing romantic and "true love". If you don't share their opinions, is there any point in talking with them? Like you said, it's like playing chess with a pigeon. :-).
Summing up, I wanted to ask if there is some thread or collection of all Tong Hua's comments and thoughts about LYF, and the way her attitude changed (probably) during all these years, so it can be possible to better understand what she actually wanted to say with her novel.MountainPine:
There were a few posts that collected these comments. It's somewhere in these 749 pages. I don't have the link, unfortunately.
My personal opinion is that author should leave their works alone instead of attempting to edit and change things down the line. Each work captured the author's thoughts and intentions at the moment of its creation; subsequent revisions may not improve the work, and may even taint it. Not to mention, once you sell the rights to your work, there are compromises to be made to satisfy outside investors. And finally, I think that sometimes the author is not the best person to adapt their work. They are too close and can fail to see the flaws in the work; ego can also come into play.
Playing chess with a pigeon :-). Is that a Ukrainian idiom? I looked up the meaning and, lol!HeadInTheClouds:
😆Yes, that means while you're thinking of a smart move/response, they're just flipping chess pieces and 💩 on the board (I apologize, I hope that is not too harsh on them 🫣).
Where were you having these battles?HeadInTheClouds:
On twitter.
there are different parties with vested interests looking to influence viewers' perception. Money was being poured into voting, as well as social media posts, for this reasonHeadInTheClouds:
Xiao Yao sneaking around with TSJ while he is still engagedHeadInTheClouds:
we are looking at these relationships through the lens of a normal, psychologically healthy individualHeadInTheClouds:
My personal opinion is that author should leave their works alone instead of attempting to edit and change things down the line. Each work captured the author's thoughts and intentions at the moment of its creation; subsequent revisions may not improve the work, and may even taint it. Not to mention, once you sell the rights to your work, there are compromises to be made to satisfy outside investors. And finally, I think that sometimes the author is not the best person to adapt their work. They are too close and can fail to see the flaws in the work; ego can also come into play.HeadInTheClouds:
The other clue to YaoJing is that its shadow relationship is Chuan Zi and Sang Tian Er. Their relationship is exactly as Tong Hua described -- time, setbacks, trials, and not built on romantic love, at least from Sang Tian Er's side. While Chuan Zi's 'love' didn't stop him from cheating on her later on. But the love of family and their life together was the foundation that allowed them both to work on their relationship and stay together.Kokuto:
I specifically reread today the part where Tian Er talks about her life and its outcome. According to Xiao Yao's earlier "plan" that she described to Jing, "fake feelings should eventually turn into real ones." But this is nowhere to be seen between Tian Er and Chuan Zi. Her family was held together solely by her desire for this, by her illusion of a happy family that she created consciously of her own free will ("whatever you want, you have to believe it exists"), and by her ability to forgive her husband. Nothing more. No fake feelings ever turned into real ones! No matter how hard she tried...
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