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Hiding or removing rating from airing dramas

Ivy

This is an ongoing thing and I think it's easily mitigated by just hiding the ratings of ongoing dramas.

The problem: Drama discussions become dominated by discussions of the rating. And minor fluctuations are debated and dissected. A rating too low on an airing dramas (despite its actual merits) turns off viewers who might have otherwise given it a chance. 

At this point I just see ratings on airing dramas as detrimental and a distraction from the dramas they represent. 

I propose we either:

+ Allowing rating but hide the results until it's complete 

Or

+ Not allow rating at all until it's complete and anyone who liked it or disliked it enough to rate it can come back


As for users being able to decide whether or watch a drama or not, reviews and comments are still available so I don't see the overall star rating as necessary for airing dramas (especially, again, because it does fluctuate).

ETA: also not o mention the ongoing allegations of rating manipulation. Despite what MDL says this is a common belief amongst users, especially when an airing drama rating changes drastically. A debate that would cease if we just hide the rating.

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tintin92

I saw this when "Our Movie" was airing. some who didn't like the leads apparently made fake accounts to rate and downvoted the drama so badly until real users showed up and rated. This is not a glitch. it has to stop.

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roddib VIP

This might really help. I agree that people are currently overly obsessed about ratings. 

I personally think it's an urban myth that users would create multiple profiles just to downvote or upvote a drama.  Or, such cases are rare (In the case of Lovely Runner bot downvoters army is true).  Rating obsession does dominate discussions.

It's a mystery to me why people think there's only one correct rating. Or that there exists users on on a mission to create bots to downvote an adult niche drama like Our Movie. C-romance creates most user wars.

As said, to prevent user wars and urban legends, I support the suggestion.

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Sim Yeon

i also think hiding the rating until a drama completes is a good option.
they can even make an extra setting where we can turn off/on the drama rating. that way people who wants the rating can still see it while those who don't care about it can just turn it off and decide on their own whether to start a drama or not. but i dont think this will help the situation to control the bots. becoz humans are weird, still better than doing nothing ig. 

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Sim Yeon
 roddib:

This might really help. I agree that people are currently overly obsessed about ratings. 

I personally think it's an urban myth that users would create multiple profiles just to downvote or upvote a drama.  Or, such cases are rare (In the case of Lovely Runner bot downvoters army is true).  Rating obsession does dominate discussions.

It's a mystery to me why people think there's only one correct rating. Or that there exists users on on a mission to create bots to downvote an adult niche drama like Our Movie. C-romance creates most user wars.

As said, to prevent user wars and urban legends, I support the suggestion.

honestly these cases aren't rare anymore, from the dramas i have seen so far many of them have bot ratings from both sides - people who love the drama and people who don't want the drama to be so highly rated. some of them which i can remember are - twinkling watermelon, Friendly Rivalry, Lovely Runner, When the Phone Rings, See You in My 19th Life etc. there might be more. these things mostly happens during the airing time of the drama either to spite the lovers or haters of the drama. nobody cares a week after the drama has been completed. see the reviews on these dramas, many of them are straight up bots. those users stopped activity on mdl within a week after the drama completed.

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Ivy
 Sim Yeon:

i also think hiding the rating until a drama completes is a good option.
they can even make an extra setting where we can turn off/on the drama rating. that way people who wants the rating can still see it while those who don't care about it can just turn it off and decide on their own whether to start a drama or not. but i dont think this will help the situation to control the bots. becoz humans are weird, still better than doing nothing ig. 

I think allowing users to toggle it on or off would defeat the purpose a bit? My idea is that without the perceived incentive to negatively or positively affect the drama as it airs this sort of behavior might cease. I mean it might not stop the review bombing but according to mods those don't affect the overall rating anyway. And at least comments and reviews have words attached that provide context and can be countered. 

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Sim Yeon
 Ivy:

I think allowing users to toggle it on or off would defeat the purpose a bit? My idea is that without the perceived incentive to negatively or positively affect the drama as it airs this sort of behavior might cease. I mean it might not stop the review bombing but according to mods those don't affect the overall rating anyway. And at least comments and reviews have words attached that provide context and can be countered. 

you are an optimistic person ig. i m too pessimistic to think that this would work positively, there's no harm in trying tho, since it probably will make things better than what it is right now. i have seen reviews and comments that don't make even a little sense and still aren't deleted from the drama-page. here's an example : https://kisskh.at/764499-friendly-competition/reviews?page=6 see the review done by lolwhosxie . there's a ton of them. some of them by haters as well. this drama has 532 reviews, i bet 200+ are done by accounts that were made during that time and stopped activity immediately within a week or so. these things are in a lot of dramas. and no one cares. 

as for the setting to toggle it on/off, i thought there might be people who start a drama based on the rating so why take their freedom from them but i do think it would diminish the purpose. 

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Ivy

One of the common refrains I've seen from mods when the question of ratings comes up is that no one complains when it's all 10s and the rating is artificially inflated. I'd argue a) that's harder to spot and b) ignores the actual issue at hand.

It's not so much the numbers themselves, it's the confidence users have in the rating system and the debate and importance put on those numbers, especially while a drama airs. If users are artificially inflating drama ratings that's also bad. And I believe the incentive to inflate or deflate the overall rating could be curbed by just not allowing user to see it in the first place. They can't target a thing if it's not there for  them to target. 

By hiding the ratings I believe that would cut down on any manipulation that is happening, cut down on the discussions surrounding the ratings so the comments can go back to talking about the drama, cut down on support tickets questioning the ratings on dramas, hopefully restore confidence in the ratings, etc. Even is mods suggest that ratings aren't manipulated and only long terms users are impacting the ratings in meaningful ways (which I've seen suggested in other threads on this topic) - the user base definitely doesn't feel that way. 

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Ivy
 Sim Yeon:
i thought there might be people who start a drama based on the rating so why take their freedom from them but i do think it would diminish the purpose.

This works in the opposite way too, take The Nice Guy, imo not a bad melodrama but has a 7.2 which users have said has turned them off from even bothering to watch it. Whether the drama deserves a 7.2 is beside the point imo, the rating fluctuates while airing, it might stay 7.2 it might rise, idk. But right now all that 7.2 is doing is sparking a discussion on why it's rated so poorly and people saying they wanted to watch it but now they aren't sure they should  continue because of the rating, etc. 

The comments and reviews are still there for people in their decision making process. And if we hide the ratings while airing it would cut down on all the other detrimental stuff. If we take the drama you've mentioned there are like 16 pages of reviews, some more quality than others. I'd say that's plenty of data for users to make an informed decision, even if some of them are nonsense. 

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Sim Yeon
 Ivy:
One of the common refrains I've seen from mods when the question of ratings comes up is that no one complains when it's all 10s and the rating is artificially inflated. I'd argue a) that's harder to spot and b) ignores the actual issue at hand.

well it's obvious why the users don't agree with this sentiment because they want that sense of gratification they achieve when the rating aligns with what they want either in a good way or in a bad way. and i think these people are in the majority here. so ig MDL is just fearing that it would lose a lot of users had this action been taken.

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Sim Yeon
 Ivy:
This works in the opposite way too, take The Nice Guy, imo not a bad melodrama but has a 7.2 which users have said has turned them off from even bothering to watch it.

yeah i can see that happening. it was in my ptw list as well since the cast is someone i hardly miss out on. but i will think of starting this after it completes. melodramas drive me crazy if i watch them while airing. currently i am ignoring it so that i don't start it by mistake. i started "our movie" while it was airing and the wait was driving me crazy so i put that on hold. now it will be on hold for a few months until i completely forget it and then will watch it from scratch. somehow i have turned this discussion into a different direction. let's ignore my BS.

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AlfatogodeQFBere VIP

Rate a drama must be accepted only after a robot check from cloudflare or google or yandex. It is easy to implement it.

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