Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Not all homophobes are open to being educated, and it's not always safe or practical for us to engage with homophobes. I was lucky my family was open to education
Homophobia is fear, ignorance, and prejudice. It's not a raging libido or a fetish gone wild. Most homophobes avoid BL altogether
How about we compromise? I could agree that a healthy mix of positive and challenging stories is necessary for a well-rounded representation of the gay experience. The happy stories will uplift and empower us. The tragic stories will hopefully knock sense into the homophobes
"We gays?" I'm gay, and I don't need a story to perfectly mirror my experiences in order to enjoy it. I find comfort…
I'm familiar with that user. Their perspective on BLs was misguided. Happy gay stories are as powerful as "gay people = bullied, suicidal" stories in representing the community
You don't need a rainbow flag in your hand to enjoy feel-good gay stories with happy endings
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Fiction can help us detach from the biases of this world and lose ourselves in a welcoming alternate world that doesn't discriminate against gay people. I'm glad we share the same sentiment
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
I'm not annoyed by the idealized, escapist BL content
"Gay people are in pain" isn't a magic bullet for eradicating homophobia. Homophobes take pleasure in our pain. Why play into their hands and show them what they want to see?
It's not our job to educate homophobes. It's their job to learn human decency
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Dramas are, at their core, forms of entertainment. Not every gay story should be a story of discrimination. A gut-wrenching, tissue-soaking story that sends our beloved gay couples six feet under doesn't entertain me
We are not in a never-ending melodramatic soap opera of doom and gloom to be defined by our struggles. We laugh, we love. Positive gay stories can go a long way in raising awareness. Showing that we fret over mundane matters, bad hair days or if our partners will eat the last slice of pizza, will remind the world that gay people are human. This is a slice of insight worth sharing
man i hate comments like these, why can't you just praise the show you just watched without trying to bring down…
No industry is "concerned about representation." Industries are like politicians during election season. Whether they are churning out "straight" stories to appease the homophobic masses or sprinkling in gay stories to keep up with demand, they are after your hard-earned cash
Their intentions aren't noble. The end result is noble and still representation for the gay community
I have no idea what yall are on about, but this was amazing!!!Not being able to handle and understand internalized…
"We gays?" I'm gay, and I don't need a story to perfectly mirror my experiences in order to enjoy it. I find comfort in positive, "sugar-coated" fictional parallel worlds that offer respite from the struggles I've faced. Constant reminders of homophobia or homophobic bullying are triggering and emotionally taxing
The gay experience exists on a spectrum. Some gay people have supportive families and friends. Only depicting hardships perpetuates a limited understanding of the gay experience and invalidates the experiences of those who have had positive journeys
"... just makes everything feel so fake and unrelatable ..."
The horror of seeing happy, supportive people in fiction. Positivity is the worst! /sarcasm
Fiction is fake. It's not reality to be relatable. Do you want relatable and miserable? Watch reality TV, a documentary or something
Anygays, what's the deal with your obsession with what "cis straight women" are into?
Yes you are definitely right about thai bl industry being messed up and also about the dating thing. Though many…
Fanservice can be a powerful, healthy marketing tool for BL actors to harness their on-screen chemistry without compromising their personal lives. Toxicity won't develop, provided that fans understand the context of fanservice
Just as the actors only taking on "straight" roles are not pressured into trying BL roles, actors specializing in BL roles should not be pressured into trying non-BL roles
Encouraging actors to specialize in BL roles challenges the belief that non-BL roles are "more diverse" and contributes to the growth of the genre. The industry is doing the right thing. BL is a diverse enough playground for actors to show their talent and versatility
You’re wrong about everything except for the bl Thai industry being toxic. Mew is not even single 😁 : he…
Practiced responsibly, fanservice and shipping are healthy and enjoyable. They create memorable experiences for everyone, allow fans to explore different relationship dynamics, and promote celebrities' body of work
Fanservice is part of a performance. It doesn't reflect the actors' off-stage relationships. On-stage, they are together. Off-stage, they might not be. Mature fans grasp the distinction
Shaming fans isn't the solution. Respecting celebrities' privacy and not pressuring them to share personal details about who they are "dating" will dismantle toxicity within fan culture
"... and never automatically assume it has to do with homophobia"
Homophobia influences everyone's decision-making. It's the omnipresence of homophobia that channels actors and actresses into "straight" identities and roles. Since you stand against toxicity, encourage them to step out of their toxic comfort zones and take on BL/GL roles
BL has the potential to harmoniously blend with medical, thriller, mystery, horror, action, comedy, etc. Actors can play the roles of doctors, detectives, criminals, heroes, villains, morally grey characters, and bring to life romantic relationships between men. They don't have to play "straight" roles to be "diverse"
Coming from a queer person and within creative community who watches this drama, I freaking love how complex the…
Ever asked yourselves why BLs are filled with fluffy "lovey dovey" goodness?
Picture this. You’ve had a long day at work/school and spent hours honking at traffic. Your boss/principal/professor thinks your name is "Hey You." You come home to kick back, relax and watch a good ol’ gay love story
In comes BL, our shining knight in rainbow armor, transporting us to a gay-friendly world that could have been. A happy-go-lucky world where being gay isn’t an earth-shattering revelation, where gay love is the norm. This is the comforting break I need from the harsh reality of adulting
Life is a drag, and there's no shortage of "LGBTQ+" stories that bury the gays and make you sob into your popcorn. You can have the sob stories. I'll have the happy stories
man i hate comments like these, why can't you just praise the show you just watched without trying to bring down…
You’re a fan of the male gaze? "Straight" content and Bara, BL/yaoi by gay men for gay men, are part of the male gaze lexicon. Get ready for a tour through the dark, twisted depths of traditional gender roles, sexual assault, homophobia, toxic masculinity, pedophilia, bestiality, and plenty of WTF moments
Give the female gaze a chance, and you will sometimes witness a delicate balance between femininity and masculinity, and sensual love scenes between men that’ll make your heart flutter. Gay men have sex. I know, mind-blowing!
Male or female gaze, any gaze can be problematic, or not. It doesn't matter who's doing the gazing. How they are gazing matters. Gaze away, but gaze wisely
How could we "forget" the reality of being gay? I live the ups and downs of being gay every day. When I immerse…
Agreed. The issues we see in BL Kdramas can be chalked up to the short number of episodes and limited screen-time. It's a bummer, and I'm crossing my fingers that we'll get longer BL Kdramas in the future
How could we "forget" the reality of being gay? I live the ups and downs of being gay every day. When I immerse myself in a story, I'm looking to leave my baggage at the door. I'm not looking to relive my daily struggles
Some characters voiced their belief that, "gay is disgusting." Ouch! Where was the character development? We didn't see them grow out of this mentality. It felt like a part of the story was missing. Couldn’t the short screen-time have been used for a story that fosters understanding and compassion? It definitely could
I’d rate the drama a solid 9/10. But there's room for improvement
Judging from your ratings, you give BLs the side-eye and fawn over mid, overrated "straight" storylines like Trash…
And 99% of what I watch is BL/GL. I've watched so much BL/GL that my laptop is trying to tell me something
"#JustSaying. #GoPlaySomewhereElse"
I didn't know this was your personal playground!
Funny how you call me childish, when you're throwing hashtags like confetti in a conversation. There's nothing more mature than bragging about yourself and calling others childish, right?
"... to be honest with my critique as to what makes a good, or bad BL"
Honesty is the best policy ... unless it comes wrapped in condescension and arrogance
I find myself a little conflicted by this drama. There's just something about South Korean BL's that always leave…
Judging from your ratings, you give BLs the side-eye and fawn over mid, overrated "straight" storylines like Trash Landing on You, Doona!, Flex X Cop and It's Okay to Not Be Okay. I will take your opinions on homophobia with a grain of salt
Why? Why do you hope they last? How does their relationship, if there is one, effect your life?
Facts
The fans who publicly congratulate or support celebrity "relationships" are inserting themselves into celebrities' private affairs. Their intrusion establishes a precedent, paving the way for public criticism or cancellation of the same celebrities. The best way to respect their privacy is to refrain from commenting on their personal lives in the first place
Why? Why do you hope they last? How does their relationship, if there is one, effect your life?
I didn't realize that a lack of enthusiasm for celebrity gossip was a sign of misery. I'll make sure to force a smile next time I see a headline about celebrities' latest fling /sarcasm
Tragic BLs are like a stormy day. Cute, happy BLs are the sunshine and rainbows we need to chase the clouds away
Homophobia is fear, ignorance, and prejudice. It's not a raging libido or a fetish gone wild. Most homophobes avoid BL altogether
How about we compromise? I could agree that a healthy mix of positive and challenging stories is necessary for a well-rounded representation of the gay experience. The happy stories will uplift and empower us. The tragic stories will hopefully knock sense into the homophobes
You don't need a rainbow flag in your hand to enjoy feel-good gay stories with happy endings
"Gay people are in pain" isn't a magic bullet for eradicating homophobia. Homophobes take pleasure in our pain. Why play into their hands and show them what they want to see?
It's not our job to educate homophobes. It's their job to learn human decency
We are not in a never-ending melodramatic soap opera of doom and gloom to be defined by our struggles. We laugh, we love. Positive gay stories can go a long way in raising awareness. Showing that we fret over mundane matters, bad hair days or if our partners will eat the last slice of pizza, will remind the world that gay people are human. This is a slice of insight worth sharing
Their intentions aren't noble. The end result is noble and still representation for the gay community
The gay experience exists on a spectrum. Some gay people have supportive families and friends. Only depicting hardships perpetuates a limited understanding of the gay experience and invalidates the experiences of those who have had positive journeys
"... just makes everything feel so fake and unrelatable ..."
The horror of seeing happy, supportive people in fiction. Positivity is the worst! /sarcasm
Fiction is fake. It's not reality to be relatable. Do you want relatable and miserable? Watch reality TV, a documentary or something
Anygays, what's the deal with your obsession with what "cis straight women" are into?
Just as the actors only taking on "straight" roles are not pressured into trying BL roles, actors specializing in BL roles should not be pressured into trying non-BL roles
Encouraging actors to specialize in BL roles challenges the belief that non-BL roles are "more diverse" and contributes to the growth of the genre. The industry is doing the right thing. BL is a diverse enough playground for actors to show their talent and versatility
Fanservice is part of a performance. It doesn't reflect the actors' off-stage relationships. On-stage, they are together. Off-stage, they might not be. Mature fans grasp the distinction
Shaming fans isn't the solution. Respecting celebrities' privacy and not pressuring them to share personal details about who they are "dating" will dismantle toxicity within fan culture
"... and never automatically assume it has to do with homophobia"
Homophobia influences everyone's decision-making. It's the omnipresence of homophobia that channels actors and actresses into "straight" identities and roles. Since you stand against toxicity, encourage them to step out of their toxic comfort zones and take on BL/GL roles
BL has the potential to harmoniously blend with medical, thriller, mystery, horror, action, comedy, etc. Actors can play the roles of doctors, detectives, criminals, heroes, villains, morally grey characters, and bring to life romantic relationships between men. They don't have to play "straight" roles to be "diverse"
Picture this. You’ve had a long day at work/school and spent hours honking at traffic. Your boss/principal/professor thinks your name is "Hey You." You come home to kick back, relax and watch a good ol’ gay love story
In comes BL, our shining knight in rainbow armor, transporting us to a gay-friendly world that could have been. A happy-go-lucky world where being gay isn’t an earth-shattering revelation, where gay love is the norm. This is the comforting break I need from the harsh reality of adulting
Life is a drag, and there's no shortage of "LGBTQ+" stories that bury the gays and make you sob into your popcorn. You can have the sob stories. I'll have the happy stories
Give the female gaze a chance, and you will sometimes witness a delicate balance between femininity and masculinity, and sensual love scenes between men that’ll make your heart flutter. Gay men have sex. I know, mind-blowing!
Male or female gaze, any gaze can be problematic, or not. It doesn't matter who's doing the gazing. How they are gazing matters. Gaze away, but gaze wisely
Some characters voiced their belief that, "gay is disgusting." Ouch! Where was the character development? We didn't see them grow out of this mentality. It felt like a part of the story was missing. Couldn’t the short screen-time have been used for a story that fosters understanding and compassion? It definitely could
I’d rate the drama a solid 9/10. But there's room for improvement
"#JustSaying. #GoPlaySomewhereElse"
I didn't know this was your personal playground!
Funny how you call me childish, when you're throwing hashtags like confetti in a conversation. There's nothing more mature than bragging about yourself and calling others childish, right?
"... to be honest with my critique as to what makes a good, or bad BL"
Honesty is the best policy ... unless it comes wrapped in condescension and arrogance
The fans who publicly congratulate or support celebrity "relationships" are inserting themselves into celebrities' private affairs. Their intrusion establishes a precedent, paving the way for public criticism or cancellation of the same celebrities. The best way to respect their privacy is to refrain from commenting on their personal lives in the first place
Yeah. Western celebrities have turned their personal lives into a full-blown reality circus