Woah, what a reach. From the series' bad rating, to global catastrophe. Let me tell you, while I wholeheartedly…
Today’s youth ditched valuable traditions for an ageist "out with the old, in with the new" mentality and a never-ending hunt for the latest trends. They left behind mountains of waste, misguided individualism, hypersexuality and moral decay
Wars and humanity are inseparable. Thanks to the younger generation's obsession with the superficial, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be no shortage of new conflicts and divisions
exactly. that's what stinks about actors doing even 1 BL. everyone expects or demands that they keep doing them…
Wait, we're not owed anything? I've spent countless hours daydreaming about these actors. Sticking to BL is the least they could do to pay rent in my headspace!
BL fans aren't toxic! They are passionate and invested in the stories that they love
You believe that the more NSFW the content, the more "upgraded" it is. This liberal, modern obsession with on-screen…
What are you talking about? Do you have a PhD in jumping to conclusions and accusing people of being "someone else?" Too bad you've got the wrong person. You didn't put that detective work into checking your facts first
the manhwa featured two gay couples. swapping a gay couple for a "straight" one sidelines and reduces gay representation.…
They erased the second gay couple to make room for a straight storyline we didn't ask for
Chapters 50 to 89 cover the development of the second gay couple's relationship. That's a lot of content. They could have bidden farewell to the unnecessary straight storyline or extended the drama to accommodate both gay couples. The second gay couple deserves more than a cameo in the final moments
"Values change over time" is an excuse to avoid making changes. We can't wait for society to catch up. Starting conversations on the importance of gay representation, demanding better representation, this is how we will change society
"... which we all already thought would end up together"
We didn't. A significant portion of the audience didn't expect a straight relationship in a story centered on gay relationships. Chan Young and Ji Yu were in the friend zone, they didn't end up together, and that's not what the story should be about. It's healthy to be angry that the spotlight isn't being kept on the gay romance
You believe that the more NSFW the content, the more "upgraded" it is. This liberal, modern obsession with on-screen…
I'm in good company with the "narrow-minded" people who prefer to keep their brains safely nestled inside their skulls and not see creepy "sexual content." Liberals are so open-minded that their brains fell out
Let's hope we see less stories like these in the future. That way, you all genophobe-phobes will cry the shit out of yourselves
"We gays?" I'm gay, and I don't need a story to perfectly mirror my experiences in order to enjoy it. I find comfort…
Happy BLs are a form of activism. They push back against the common belief that gay relationships are negative, unhappy, or doomed
The issue with "Jazz for Two" wasn't the depiction of internalized homophobia. It was the lack of nuanced and sensitive handling of the subject matter. The resolution was hasty and unfulfilling. The characters experienced an abrupt change of heart. They didn't undergo a journey of personal growth and understanding
It makes sense that "straight" identifying women are drawn to BL. The genre doubles the presence of male characters
Issues arise when insensitive comments are made. "He's hot, I can change him," "I can wear a strap-on for him," "why are all the good ones gay." Expressions of possessiveness over male characters diminish the significance of gay content. Women should respect the male characters' romantic involvement with each other
I agree with valuing GL and BL equally. Valuing both allows for a more comprehensive understanding of the lesbian/gay experience
The masculine top/feminine bottom dynamic is a valid expression of gay relationships, but introducing masculine top/masculine bottom or versatile dynamics would be a refreshing change
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Not all homophobes are open to being educated, and it's not always safe or practical for us to engage with homophobes. I was lucky my family was open to education
Homophobia is fear, ignorance, and prejudice. It's not a raging libido or a fetish gone wild. Most homophobes avoid BL altogether
How about we compromise? I could agree that a healthy mix of positive and challenging stories is necessary for a well-rounded representation of the gay experience. The happy stories will uplift and empower us. The tragic stories will hopefully knock sense into the homophobes
"We gays?" I'm gay, and I don't need a story to perfectly mirror my experiences in order to enjoy it. I find comfort…
I'm familiar with that user. Their perspective on BLs was misguided. Happy gay stories are as powerful as "gay people = bullied, suicidal" stories in representing the community
You don't need a rainbow flag in your hand to enjoy feel-good gay stories with happy endings
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Fiction can help us detach from the biases of this world and lose ourselves in a welcoming alternate world that doesn't discriminate against gay people. I'm glad we share the same sentiment
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
I'm not annoyed by the idealized, escapist BL content
"Gay people are in pain" isn't a magic bullet for eradicating homophobia. Homophobes take pleasure in our pain. Why play into their hands and show them what they want to see?
It's not our job to educate homophobes. It's their job to learn human decency
Struggles and discriminations against lgbt community are must to be shown in present times in each and every lgbt…
Dramas are, at their core, forms of entertainment. Not every gay story should be a story of discrimination. A gut-wrenching, tissue-soaking story that sends our beloved gay couples six feet under doesn't entertain me
We are not in a never-ending melodramatic soap opera of doom and gloom to be defined by our struggles. We laugh, we love. Positive gay stories can go a long way in raising awareness. Showing that we fret over mundane matters, bad hair days or if our partners will eat the last slice of pizza, will remind the world that gay people are human. This is a slice of insight worth sharing
man i hate comments like these, why can't you just praise the show you just watched without trying to bring down…
No industry is "concerned about representation." Industries are like politicians during election season. Whether they are churning out "straight" stories to appease the homophobic masses or sprinkling in gay stories to keep up with demand, they are after your hard-earned cash
Their intentions aren't noble. The end result is noble and still representation for the gay community
I have no idea what yall are on about, but this was amazing!!!Not being able to handle and understand internalized…
"We gays?" I'm gay, and I don't need a story to perfectly mirror my experiences in order to enjoy it. I find comfort in positive, "sugar-coated" fictional parallel worlds that offer respite from the struggles I've faced. Constant reminders of homophobia or homophobic bullying are triggering and emotionally taxing
The gay experience exists on a spectrum. Some gay people have supportive families and friends. Only depicting hardships perpetuates a limited understanding of the gay experience and invalidates the experiences of those who have had positive journeys
"... just makes everything feel so fake and unrelatable ..."
The horror of seeing happy, supportive people in fiction. Positivity is the worst! /sarcasm
Fiction is fake. It's not reality to be relatable. Do you want relatable and miserable? Watch reality TV, a documentary or something
Anygays, what's the deal with your obsession with what "cis straight women" are into?
Yes you are definitely right about thai bl industry being messed up and also about the dating thing. Though many…
Fanservice can be a powerful, healthy marketing tool for BL actors to harness their on-screen chemistry without compromising their personal lives. Toxicity won't develop, provided that fans understand the context of fanservice
Just as the actors only taking on "straight" roles are not pressured into trying BL roles, actors specializing in BL roles should not be pressured into trying non-BL roles
Encouraging actors to specialize in BL roles challenges the belief that non-BL roles are "more diverse" and contributes to the growth of the genre. The industry is doing the right thing. BL is a diverse enough playground for actors to show their talent and versatility
You’re wrong about everything except for the bl Thai industry being toxic. Mew is not even single 😁 : he…
Practiced responsibly, fanservice and shipping are healthy and enjoyable. They create memorable experiences for everyone, allow fans to explore different relationship dynamics, and promote celebrities' body of work
Fanservice is part of a performance. It doesn't reflect the actors' off-stage relationships. On-stage, they are together. Off-stage, they might not be. Mature fans grasp the distinction
Shaming fans isn't the solution. Respecting celebrities' privacy and not pressuring them to share personal details about who they are "dating" will dismantle toxicity within fan culture
"... and never automatically assume it has to do with homophobia"
Homophobia influences everyone's decision-making. It's the omnipresence of homophobia that channels actors and actresses into "straight" identities and roles. Since you stand against toxicity, encourage them to step out of their toxic comfort zones and take on BL/GL roles
BL has the potential to harmoniously blend with medical, thriller, mystery, horror, action, comedy, etc. Actors can play the roles of doctors, detectives, criminals, heroes, villains, morally grey characters, and bring to life romantic relationships between men. They don't have to play "straight" roles to be "diverse"
Coming from a queer person and within creative community who watches this drama, I freaking love how complex the…
Ever asked yourselves why BLs are filled with fluffy "lovey dovey" goodness?
Picture this. You’ve had a long day at work/school and spent hours honking at traffic. Your boss/principal/professor thinks your name is "Hey You." You come home to kick back, relax and watch a good ol’ gay love story
In comes BL, our shining knight in rainbow armor, transporting us to a gay-friendly world that could have been. A happy-go-lucky world where being gay isn’t an earth-shattering revelation, where gay love is the norm. This is the comforting break I need from the harsh reality of adulting
Life is a drag, and there's no shortage of "LGBTQ+" stories that bury the gays and make you sob into your popcorn. You can have the sob stories. I'll have the happy stories
man i hate comments like these, why can't you just praise the show you just watched without trying to bring down…
You’re a fan of the male gaze? "Straight" content and Bara, BL/yaoi by gay men for gay men, are part of the male gaze lexicon. Get ready for a tour through the dark, twisted depths of traditional gender roles, sexual assault, homophobia, toxic masculinity, pedophilia, bestiality, and plenty of WTF moments
Give the female gaze a chance, and you will sometimes witness a delicate balance between femininity and masculinity, and sensual love scenes between men that’ll make your heart flutter. Gay men have sex. I know, mind-blowing!
Male or female gaze, any gaze can be problematic, or not. It doesn't matter who's doing the gazing. How they are gazing matters. Gaze away, but gaze wisely
How could we "forget" the reality of being gay? I live the ups and downs of being gay every day. When I immerse…
Agreed. The issues we see in BL Kdramas can be chalked up to the short number of episodes and limited screen-time. It's a bummer, and I'm crossing my fingers that we'll get longer BL Kdramas in the future
How could we "forget" the reality of being gay? I live the ups and downs of being gay every day. When I immerse myself in a story, I'm looking to leave my baggage at the door. I'm not looking to relive my daily struggles
Some characters voiced their belief that, "gay is disgusting." Ouch! Where was the character development? We didn't see them grow out of this mentality. It felt like a part of the story was missing. Couldn’t the short screen-time have been used for a story that fosters understanding and compassion? It definitely could
I’d rate the drama a solid 9/10. But there's room for improvement
Wars and humanity are inseparable. Thanks to the younger generation's obsession with the superficial, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be no shortage of new conflicts and divisions
BL fans aren't toxic! They are passionate and invested in the stories that they love
Chapters 50 to 89 cover the development of the second gay couple's relationship. That's a lot of content. They could have bidden farewell to the unnecessary straight storyline or extended the drama to accommodate both gay couples. The second gay couple deserves more than a cameo in the final moments
"Values change over time" is an excuse to avoid making changes. We can't wait for society to catch up. Starting conversations on the importance of gay representation, demanding better representation, this is how we will change society
"... which we all already thought would end up together"
We didn't. A significant portion of the audience didn't expect a straight relationship in a story centered on gay relationships. Chan Young and Ji Yu were in the friend zone, they didn't end up together, and that's not what the story should be about. It's healthy to be angry that the spotlight isn't being kept on the gay romance
Let's hope we see less stories like these in the future. That way, you all genophobe-phobes will cry the shit out of yourselves
The issue with "Jazz for Two" wasn't the depiction of internalized homophobia. It was the lack of nuanced and sensitive handling of the subject matter. The resolution was hasty and unfulfilling. The characters experienced an abrupt change of heart. They didn't undergo a journey of personal growth and understanding
It makes sense that "straight" identifying women are drawn to BL. The genre doubles the presence of male characters
Issues arise when insensitive comments are made. "He's hot, I can change him," "I can wear a strap-on for him," "why are all the good ones gay." Expressions of possessiveness over male characters diminish the significance of gay content. Women should respect the male characters' romantic involvement with each other
I agree with valuing GL and BL equally. Valuing both allows for a more comprehensive understanding of the lesbian/gay experience
The masculine top/feminine bottom dynamic is a valid expression of gay relationships, but introducing masculine top/masculine bottom or versatile dynamics would be a refreshing change
Tragic BLs are like a stormy day. Cute, happy BLs are the sunshine and rainbows we need to chase the clouds away
Homophobia is fear, ignorance, and prejudice. It's not a raging libido or a fetish gone wild. Most homophobes avoid BL altogether
How about we compromise? I could agree that a healthy mix of positive and challenging stories is necessary for a well-rounded representation of the gay experience. The happy stories will uplift and empower us. The tragic stories will hopefully knock sense into the homophobes
You don't need a rainbow flag in your hand to enjoy feel-good gay stories with happy endings
"Gay people are in pain" isn't a magic bullet for eradicating homophobia. Homophobes take pleasure in our pain. Why play into their hands and show them what they want to see?
It's not our job to educate homophobes. It's their job to learn human decency
We are not in a never-ending melodramatic soap opera of doom and gloom to be defined by our struggles. We laugh, we love. Positive gay stories can go a long way in raising awareness. Showing that we fret over mundane matters, bad hair days or if our partners will eat the last slice of pizza, will remind the world that gay people are human. This is a slice of insight worth sharing
Their intentions aren't noble. The end result is noble and still representation for the gay community
The gay experience exists on a spectrum. Some gay people have supportive families and friends. Only depicting hardships perpetuates a limited understanding of the gay experience and invalidates the experiences of those who have had positive journeys
"... just makes everything feel so fake and unrelatable ..."
The horror of seeing happy, supportive people in fiction. Positivity is the worst! /sarcasm
Fiction is fake. It's not reality to be relatable. Do you want relatable and miserable? Watch reality TV, a documentary or something
Anygays, what's the deal with your obsession with what "cis straight women" are into?
Just as the actors only taking on "straight" roles are not pressured into trying BL roles, actors specializing in BL roles should not be pressured into trying non-BL roles
Encouraging actors to specialize in BL roles challenges the belief that non-BL roles are "more diverse" and contributes to the growth of the genre. The industry is doing the right thing. BL is a diverse enough playground for actors to show their talent and versatility
Fanservice is part of a performance. It doesn't reflect the actors' off-stage relationships. On-stage, they are together. Off-stage, they might not be. Mature fans grasp the distinction
Shaming fans isn't the solution. Respecting celebrities' privacy and not pressuring them to share personal details about who they are "dating" will dismantle toxicity within fan culture
"... and never automatically assume it has to do with homophobia"
Homophobia influences everyone's decision-making. It's the omnipresence of homophobia that channels actors and actresses into "straight" identities and roles. Since you stand against toxicity, encourage them to step out of their toxic comfort zones and take on BL/GL roles
BL has the potential to harmoniously blend with medical, thriller, mystery, horror, action, comedy, etc. Actors can play the roles of doctors, detectives, criminals, heroes, villains, morally grey characters, and bring to life romantic relationships between men. They don't have to play "straight" roles to be "diverse"
Picture this. You’ve had a long day at work/school and spent hours honking at traffic. Your boss/principal/professor thinks your name is "Hey You." You come home to kick back, relax and watch a good ol’ gay love story
In comes BL, our shining knight in rainbow armor, transporting us to a gay-friendly world that could have been. A happy-go-lucky world where being gay isn’t an earth-shattering revelation, where gay love is the norm. This is the comforting break I need from the harsh reality of adulting
Life is a drag, and there's no shortage of "LGBTQ+" stories that bury the gays and make you sob into your popcorn. You can have the sob stories. I'll have the happy stories
Give the female gaze a chance, and you will sometimes witness a delicate balance between femininity and masculinity, and sensual love scenes between men that’ll make your heart flutter. Gay men have sex. I know, mind-blowing!
Male or female gaze, any gaze can be problematic, or not. It doesn't matter who's doing the gazing. How they are gazing matters. Gaze away, but gaze wisely
Some characters voiced their belief that, "gay is disgusting." Ouch! Where was the character development? We didn't see them grow out of this mentality. It felt like a part of the story was missing. Couldn’t the short screen-time have been used for a story that fosters understanding and compassion? It definitely could
I’d rate the drama a solid 9/10. But there's room for improvement