Bliss Ace

I am glad I could shed more light on how any smart human being would do. The ones who behave 'badly' in the eyes of the viewers, you never have to worry about them. They will anyway get criticism and negative comments for their actions on the show. Wooyeol is about to get his part if he pulls the biggest upset with his pick or indecisions.

But for me, its those innocent looking ones I am scared of. I watch them. Fall in love with them and their love story (-ies). And then after all is said and done, they move on like nothing happened. No sneak peek of whether they got a happy ending in real life too. No nothing. Its like we made it all up. All of a sudden they want to keep things private. So you shouldn't inquire. You're disrespecting their space if you dare ask of them that.

But no not really. Its more complicated than that. They go on to do a vlog of every aspect of their life. Like where they travel, their routine, hobbies, friends, hangouts, brand deals and sponsorship etc. All except the one thing we came to know them from. Their dating. And the viewers will never know. It was all a fantasy we were sold. We were promised an epic love story that we will never get to see outside the show. Or at least know its ending. I am in no way saying its scripted. Its just that the end result is often disappointing.

Well, from the movie, I can say waiting for him would totally backfire. You could see time and distance didn't work for our leads. I think what you could say is that it could mean they should both take their chances when they get it. Thats what I meant by saying living without regrets.

Thats some unpopular opinion right there. But to just make it clear. Neither do I. Or to some extent. And the only reason is because when they went to Japan, they had only been together for 8 days. From the dating show perspective, none of his actions are wrong. But on a real world basis, its wrong because the girls fell for him too fast and that could hurt one or the other. He could be a little mindful of his actions. In other words, he should settle for one girl soon. People enjoy a steady and consistent man. And more importantly, they like to see chemistry between a couple that chose to stick with each other. So for now Wooyeol is doing what he wants and not necessarily what the audience would want to see him do.
Its actually bizarre people think that that would be a a great smart plan for someone seeking spotlight. Thats an high school level thinking. Who wants to see how many girls or boys you can pull in on a dating show. A smart plan would be pretending, in this case, to be a loyal dude or girl and showing unwavering interest in them until the end of the show. Make the audience think how unconditional that love is, which is either rewarded or not at the end. But it doesn't matter anyway because now the audience will be on your side.
And then after the show ends, you completely ghost that girl or dude with no explanation at all. Well, not many dating shows asks for a follow up anyway. And the girl or dude will just be embarrassed to come out and say he or she was duped from the dating show. OR simply just come up with reasons to them that you no longer feel attracted like you did on the show. Well, after deceiving us your love was never going to change for a month (but months for us, because we have been watching you for months). But thats an amicable way to end it. And voila you have your fame. And most importantly, you have your good reputation. Smart plan.

I took the liberty and watched the 'Once We Were Us' before Wooyeol and Yugyeong do (based on the show). And wow. Everyone should check it out. I just can't understand why it has low ratings on MDL. Its really a great movie. Haven't had most of those for a while. Almost had me to tears. Anyway, it really has a great message overall. If you watch with someone you are getting to know, I think your dynamics will completely change. So I think their relationship (Wooyeol and Yugyeong) will greatly change after this. Without giving away anything from the movie, you will learn about living without regrets. And the movie does a great job showing that.

That is why having confidence in your partner is important. He promised her the world and even his heart and wanted to give her that. But the reality was different. 'Grew apart from her' is more like saying he couldn't face his failures. He knew he had failed her. He couldn't give her the world he wanted or promised to give her.
I think that was too painful for him to live with. Or for him to face her. Hence, the distance between them. To some extend, I understand him. But he should have shown more confidence in her. That no matter what happens, like you said, she was willing to try. Or better said, she was willing to stay with him. But who would want someone they love so dearly suffer beside them?

I am here because of Wooyeol and Yugyung. I don't know what will happen once they get to watch this movie (obviously they have already watched). But in terms of the show, I know their dynamics will change too. The movie is more about living without regrets.

We don't know if he has a wife. Just the child was heard or can I say mentioned. It was just a way of showing that he 'moved' on. Even though that didn't apparently convince you. But the 'wife' part was and is implied. You could be right to say he had one. And you could be wrong too. But the idea of having a daughter showed life goes on and what remains are the choices we made. The fact they couldn't get back together showed we get to live with those choices. It reflected more on the idea of regret and what could have been.

I see you dissected all the details. If Wooyeol was as loyal as he said (having kept long relationships), I would really hope for him to end up with Yukyung. Only just because I like her more when she is in love. I don't know if that makes sense. She just have that glow if she is in love with someone. And I only hope its the right person who only has eyes for her.
Thats why I don't like Wooyeol just for that reason. He just seems unsure. Its only bad because the girls drawn to him all seem pretty deep into him. So that means one person or some are inevitably going to get hurt. And that doesn't seem to bother him, well in my opinion. But in his defense, I think the panelists mentioned they had only known each other 8 days while they were in Japan.
So its pretty wild that the girls too are that deep. He also said in a conversation I believe with Yukyung on their first date that he takes like months of knowing someone before committing. That's perfectly okay, its only that his actions or the way he flirts that makes him so certain about the other person when in real sense he likes to take things slow.
Back to your arguments, yes, the editing could be misleading. So far, even when he is describing his ideal type, if you noted, it all seem to point to Yukyung. Including when asked by the catfish on their date about what he finds cute in a partner. If you go back and listen to it carefully and try to recall his interactions with Yukyung, you can almost feel like it could fit her.

But then again during a group setting, you can also see he seems too aware of Gyuri, which makes me think they could have something going on. Whether its an edit or not, he seems too bothered by her that I also think that Gyuri has an edge over Yukyung. I might be wrong. Let's see how the future episodes pan out. It might work out with Yukyung because we can also see from the preview that she is planning to be bolder, which might work in her favor.

Yes, please elaborate. I have nothing but time. Because to me, it seemed the other way round. I favored Gyuri more than Yukyung simply because he seemed to lean more to her. And silly me thought that he would reassure Gyuri more and stick to that choice to the end. So other girls will keep trying to get his attention. But didn't think that he would actually entertain all of them. We can tell who he is leaning towards but we can also see he's not closed off to the rest.
On the other point you raised. I agree. Gyuri has a strong personality. She wouldn't like getting dragged around by someone especially emotionally. I unfortunately don't see that romantic connection with Seowoon. Just yet. But I could see her choosing him. I think she's someone who values stability and reassurance. And currently Wooyeol doesn't give that. While Yukyung at this point is too far gone to even save herself. So I can also see why she would choose him.

Unfortunately, when you are in your feels, its hard to look at the situation logically. I am still trying to see how the girls see him as desirable even though they all know he's showing interest to all of them. Yes, they know. In the real world and to most of us, its a turn off. But in the house, the girls will get competitive instead.

I saw someone say he is most likely to end up alone. I have watched lots of dating show to know he won't. I saw how he treated the catfish on the date. He's so boyfriend coded. He's attention to details (the girl he's with) and he can hold a conversation (tiki taka). Those attributes from the girls' POV makes him desirable. I think they are rationalizing his behavior as they all getting to know each other in the house. His behavior wouldn't work on any girl in the outside world. But as far as the show is concerned, he gets to keep the girls somehow on the edge because he's soo unpredictable. For example, I feel like Gyuri doesn't like somehow who goes back and forth. Thats why on their date, she kept hinting to him that she needs to be the only girl. That massage to Yukyung is enough for someone like Gyuri to lose interest. In the outside world, Gyuri seems like the type of person who knows what she wants and wouldn't tolerate nonsense.

But Wooyeol is also confusing. One minute, he is showing interest in her and in the next she is second guessing whether he does. So she can't completely decide to close off her heart to him. Her like the rest, I think she will keep being dragged until the end unless he makes himself clear.

I was with you until I listened to Eana. She justifies it by saying Wooyeol is someone who is fluid depending on the person he's with. He matches the person he is with. He didn't suggest having the rings but he goes along with the other person's idea. He's also true to the present. He lives in the moment and will text the person he interacted with that day.
Because the day can change, he changes together with it. That makes him appear so fickle. I get why so many girls are drawn. While we see how changes from one girl to another, one thing we can also see is that he matches their energies differently. Its as if he knows how to make them each feel special or seen.

Exactly. Thats what I would call a narcissist. And not a psychopath.

Thats the thing. If you decide to see his actions as malice, you wouldn't see it any other way. In your definition, thats a psychopath. First, you must think that there's a satisfaction in getting entangled with people, which would make your point valid.
If you detach from that thinking and give him the benefit of doubt, he's just acting out of his own interest. Just his selfish nature. He's not being careful about the other person's feelings. Narcissistic in some kind of a way. So he's not two faced as you said. He is just saying I have this platform to meet these number of people, and I am just going to take full advantage of it for it all to work out for me. Does it maybe hurt the other person? Probably. But he doesn't seem to care. OR, just giving him a benefit of doubt, he just thinks they're trivial. He is completely ignorant of the magnitude of his own actions, well again because maybe he's narcissistic.

Isn't he the only one who said that he came from long term relationships? I think once he decides to settle for someone, he can be loyal. Problem is you guys are expecting him to be loyal when he's getting to know them. The show format kinda makes it look like cheating when you have different connections. And of course when he is not sticking to your bias.
In my opinion, he just knows too much about a female brain and chemistry. I mean he knows all the right words to use to make a woman excited. Technically, if you exploit that, we call you a player. He's either too experienced dating a woman or grew up around lots of women in his life. On the other hand, you can look at it and say he's a romantic. He brings passion to his romantic partners if he's loyal. I don't know, I would be harsh on him if we are three weeks in and juggling the three women. But again, he said he takes long before committing to someone. So the three weeks may not be enough for him to settle on someone.
He flirts effortlessly that I can't count it as an effort. Its almost in his nature. He's quick witted and knows how to banter. Thats what makes him interesting to the three women. Ye Chan on the other hand, since I watched it, he was mostly a pretty face. Other than that, he was a bit mysterious. The women were drawn to him because he was quiet in a group setting and of course pretty. But what kept them going for him was that he was actually good in keeping conversation on. He was totally different than how he looked. Like he had layers and women liked that.

We are all a child to someone else. I used to think like you at that age. That perception slightly changes. For example, when you are a bit older, you may get someone from 2010 flirting with you. Mathematically, 3 years from now they won't be children. But in your eyes, you just think they are too young to involve them romantically.

People saying the show is getting boring needs to chill, LMAO. Its stressful and unpredictable, but some of us are enjoying it. And if its of any help, LOVE is just messy. And you're unfortunately getting it in form of a show. I know you came here just to escape reality and you're unfortunately thrown back to it. Thats frustrating. But it isn't the shows fault. Thats just how it is. You can cope with some feel good Kdramas. Dating shows not so much.

I am only liking your comment because you said some nice things about Yu Gyeong. And of course, because you gave me hope to my ghost ship.

3 seconds means instinctive. In 10 seconds, a lot of thoughts would have run through your mind. So its like 3 seconds, without even a second thought, who do you feel attracted most to?

Not really. Read the comment I made to Kielle. It addresses the same points you made.

Superior in the sense of that they have more final couples? Well, I just like the Korean Version more because it creates tension and something to look for after each episode. To be honest with you, I never feel that tension with the Chinese version. Their chemistry for me feels like the sibling type. But for the Korean, even if they don't make it on the outside world, the tension and excitement you get when you are getting to know someone, I feel it through the screen.
Now, about there being no lasting couple, I honestly don't mind. Its a reality show. Don't you get to know people and date them and it never lasts for either of you? I mean, if you have similar experience in your life then you won't judge. You just know the show doesn't always have a fairy tale ending. Sometimes reality hits hard. See it this way, the show promises you to meet someone who shakes up your world. But it doesn't promise you the chances of it working out. It boils down to your personalities and the effort both of you guys make into making it work out.
So, in other words, you really can't blame it on the show format or version for the relationships to work out. They helped you meet someone who by the way you choose based on your own free will. Whether it works out or not, it all depends on how much effort you both into it.
That means that the Chinese put more effort into making their relationships work. Since I have watched them, they seem to take a lot of time deciding and once they're fully bought, they put a lot of effort into understanding that person and making the relationship last longer. Koreans are more instinctive. My guess is that they stick it out as long as they is that butterfly in the stomach. Which may not last long if you don't put an effort to understand them deeper.
So for me its a culture issue more than the show issue. Korean version is top for me. Its a pity basing on whether its successful on the personalities of its participants. The show gives you butterflies and that falling in love experience. Making that relationship work is all on you, not the show anymore.