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they didn’t move past the affair though. They already planted seeds of doubt in the husband when he found her jewelry at the crime scene. Plus they are gonna look into who made the call to the police in the coming episodes. It’s kind of insane to expect the writer to put the whole plot in just two episodes. It clear that things are gonna be slowly revealed as the episodes progress.

Got it. I guess I was trying to understand that statement he made to the ML that pretty much shaped how he behaves till today. At one point his mother is disappointed in him and as he walks away he whispers it’s the way to keep you safe.

Why did he kill the son of the concubine? kings kill of their family members all the time. Even if they can’t physically kill them they accuse them of treason and have them drink poison. Thats why I want to get a little more insight into the king so we understand what motivates him behind the seasons.

got it. do you remember the scene where he tells the prince how to keep his mother safe? he told him not to do anything. pretty much stay under the radar. That’s why he pretends to be a “useless” son. He might not be able to outright kill the princes mother I’m pretty sure he would be able to find some other reason to get rid of them both as other kings have done to their siblings. We know that he is impacted by his skin disease and probably by the death of his mother.

The king is such an interesting character that I really hope the story gives us more insight into him. There are so many contradictions in his actions. Why did he let his brother live but kill the concubine’s son? Why did he give advice on how to keep his brother’s mother alive? In some moments, he seems genuinely wise, like when he wanted to bring back the FL’s father because he understood that surrounding himself with nothing but yes-men isn’t healthy for a ruler.
At the same time, it’s hard to understand why he neglects the queen while allowing a clearly scheming concubine to stay so close to him. And why wasn’t he more suspicious of the minister telling him not to tell anyone what he saw? That’s suspicious behavior 101.
The fact that he was able to accept that the FL’s brother was innocent shows that he isn’t entirely evil, just incredibly complicated and difficult to read. Either he never killed the FL’s father at all, or he was so heavily drugged that he hallucinated the tiger.
The ML and FL standing on opposite sides at the end is going to be fascinating. I honestly understand both of their perspectives. The FL deeply cares about the world and sees the suffering caused by the king’s neglect, starving children, rampant disease, and the murder of her father on top of everything else. For the ML, though, that’s still his family, and he understands the devastating consequences of rebellion

yes! Who is the CEO now? It’s the evil dad right? Or is chairman a different title from CEO?

you guys i feel like the son of the CEO is still alive. Also everyone is getting so close so when they discover her identity it’s gonna be heart breaking for everyone. my girls are getting along so well.

Please point me to the post where I supposedly said I sympathized with her. I didn’t. My entire argument has consistently been that the characters are complicated, and that cheating, while wrong,is an unfortunate reality of life. That comment was directed at people who are fixating on the mere depiction of cheating in the show, not excusing it.
I also never brought up Marry My Husband, you did. You’re the one who asked what the difference was between this female lead cheating on her husband and the husband in Marry My Husband who was universally hated. My point was simple: not all cheaters are the same. No reasonable person would seriously equate these two characters, yet you did, and that says more about your argument than mine.
No one claimed her actions were good. They weren’t. Cheating was wrong. Tampering with evidence was wrong. That’s not in dispute. What is being discussed is the difference between characters who are layered and multifaceted versus characters who are outright villainous. The male lead in Marry My Husband was a straight-up villain, with no complexity or tragic backstory, just cruelty and selfishness.
You keep insisting that I’m excusing her behavior because she’s a woman, despite me repeatedly saying that I enjoy stories with morally complex characters of all genders. I watch and love shows full of characters who do terrible things: Suits, House, White Collar, The Mentalist, The Blacklist, Person of Interest, Lie to Me, Prison Break.
In Prison Break, the male lead knowingly helps release dangerous criminals, including a pedophile, for the sake of his family. That doesn’t make him “good”; it makes him complicated. And that’s the entire point. Complex characters do bad things without being reduced to one-dimensional villains.

At no point did this drama ever claim it takes place in a universe where everyone follows the law to the letter. I have no idea what the writers ultimately plan to do with the phone. I’m simply drawing from years of watching Korean dramas where lawyers go up against powerful interests. In those stories, the powerful often control multiple institutions and make evidence conveniently disappear. There’s no guarantee the phone would have even made it into police custody, especially when we’re dealing with an organization that clearly has a cleanup crew.
It’s also worth noting that taking the phone could have seriously complicated or damaged the case as well. Unlike you, I’m not making definitive claims about where the story must go. The narrative could unfold in many different ways, and I’m willing to watch and see where it leads before passing judgment.

Are you okay? You’re making extremely definitive claims when there have only been two episodes. Most people wait until they have more insight into the story and characters before declaring things so confidently. Yet in almost every post, you keep insisting that the show is “trying to force viewers to see the female leads as great,” which just isn’t supported by what’s actually been shown so far.
First, the claim that “lawyers don’t lose cases” is flat-out false, and you know it. Losing cases absolutely impacts both the lawyer and the client. That’s why law firms advertise their win records and why clients seek out lawyers with strong track records. Having a good lawyer matters. Saying otherwise completely ignores how the legal world actually works.
Second, the story is primarily about the case. The personal lives of the main leads are subplots. I genuinely don’t understand what you mean by the show “glorifying three adult women as superior protagonists.” I do agree that the lawyers should have done a better job confirming where the minor and the actor initially met. However, your claim that they “blamed the minor for lying” is inaccurate. They questioned her about why she lied and where the meeting actually took place because they were preparing for an appeal. That’s now the third time you’ve misrepresented something that happened in the plot.
You also keep implying that I blamed the minor, which I never did. All I said was that she lied to the lawyers. I never excused any of the female lead’s actions either. Cheating on her husband was wrong. Leaving after discovering the body was wrong and stupid. But people do stupid, irrational things all the time. That’s why I said these are complicated characters.
I also never said the reporter wasn’t capable of rape. What I said was that the female leads argued about it: one believed he wasn’t capable of it, while the other argued that anyone is capable of rape. As for whether he actually was a rapist, the show made it clear in the last episode that he was killed by the people behind the app, who forced the minor to hold the knife. At this point, I’m honestly not convinced you’re watching the show closely.
When people say things like “he wouldn’t hurt a fly,” that’s a very common human response based on personal experience. Your refusal to acknowledge nuance is wild. Believing that one bad action means someone is capable of every possible evil is just illogical. There are people with deeply conflicting morals. There are killers who would never harm a child but would kill dozens of adults. Human psychology isn’t binary.
Your examples about House also miss the mark. House was a morally repugnant person, misogynistic, racist, and cruel. In the real world, he would’ve been fired repeatedly. And yet, he was also capable of immense kindness and genuine connection with patients. He even had an affair with a married woman. Viewers tolerated all of this because he saved lives. He was a deeply contradictory, complicated character who made you feel conflicting things.
The same applies to The Mentalist. Patrick Jane constantly manipulated people, broke the law, betrayed his team, and pursued vengeance at all costs. He was morally inconsistent and often destructive, yet still capable of good. He’s another example of a “villain-type hero.”
If we followed your standard, where characters must be morally clean or consistently righteous, characters like House or Jane wouldn’t exist at all. Stories would be flatter, less human, and far less interesting

There’s pedos and abusers and all they can fixate on is cheating. There’s an app predators are using to buy women for their twisted fetishes and there in the comments talking about can you believe she cheating on her husband. Yea that was wrong but it’s life and people cheat all the time. Thats one of the most common tropes in kdramas.

You guys have a serious and deep obsession with having gender role conflicts on this app and projecting your personal issues onto others. You guys refuse to see the difference between cheating and abuse. In married my husband the ML was physically, financially, and emotionally abusing the FL to the point where he ultimately killed her. How can any intelligent person possibly compare that plot to this one? He was gleeful waiting for his wife to die so he could cash out on an insurance policy and even stopped paying her hospital bills. Now a person whose crime is cheating on their partner is in no way shape or form similar to that man. A person that cheats and is remorseful is better than a person that cheats gleefully. The problem is that you guys see everything as man and women, good and bad, black and white. No nuances what’s so ever. With the other FL that brought up her divorces she wasn’t even bragging. At this point I’m certain that y’all are not even properly engaging with the plot. She said it for two reasons. To discourage the new man that her mother was trying to force down her throat and to tell her mother that she was no longer going to play by her rules. The story made it clear that the mother controls her daughter and pushed for those two marriages and now she’s pushing for a third. She also wants her to become CEO of her company. There are plenty of ML’s that the audience are sympathetic to when their parents try to dictate their lives/marriages. It’s not a gender issues it’s parental “abuse” overbearing issue. We have millions of ML’s that are arrogant and no one is calling them predators or Narcissist as long as they are handsome and not abusive to others. Based in your reality we live in an unfair world that marginalizes men. I thought I was engaging with an honest person but it’s just someone that refuses to actually engage with the plot and just wants to victimize men. good bye.

when did she exchange sex for information? You guys are allowing your personal feels regarding cheating to create your own plot. If he was a stranger would she have slept with him? Did she say give me information for my case and I will have sex with you? based solely on the plot she slept with him based on their shared history of dating for 7+ years. He said I still miss you and it progressed from there. I don’t know how you managed to turn this into some sort of elicit sex for information scheme when that’s not the case. As for the audience it’s truly up to them to interpret things as they wish. some people like vigilantes and are okay with people operating in grey areas. some people like you are stuck on the cheating and others are more interested in the overall plot. It’s really up to the individual viewer. I see that you guys keep referring to accountability but it’s only been two episodes? Again the show never demanded anything it’s only telling a story. You don’t know if the plot will be that in order to take on the powerful you have to be willing to cut corners like they do. I think you should allow the story to play out instead of making assumptions when we barely have any information.

Please don’t even compare victims of rape to people they have dealt with cheating. It’s neither comparable nor can you reference it in the same sentence. No matter how hurtful cheating it is no where in the realm or even in the same world as cheating. The thing is you keep making these statements that her behavior in the story is being justified, minimized and sympathized with. The writers never justified anything they are simply telling story. They never said her actions were neither good nor bad. You can’t really speak for the audience because you don’t know how everyone is feeling besides the people who might be commenting in this post. Saying that cheating happens in the world is just a statement of fact. Again I can’t read the mind of the FL and I don’t know what her intentions were as the story left it open to one’s interpretation as we didn’t even see anything outside of the kiss. Going to his house might be considered inappropriate due to their history but again up to individual interpretation if you want to consider that cheating or not. Again I don’t understand your position should tv shows not have complicated characters? Some people leave their homes with the intention of cheating on their partners and some leave without that intention but take inappropriate steps that eventually lead them into cheating. Thats is simply a fact of life. You don’t have to love the characters nor agree with them. As someone who watched shows like shameless and house I’m comfortable with flawed characters.

How is this a deflection? I never said it was a mistake as I don’t believe cheating can even be a mistake. I only detailed how cheating usually happens and how in her specific case it started with the texting and eventually lead to her going to his house. If your argument is that she specially went over to his house to have sex with him that’s truly up to your interpretation. I don’t know how you know she had unprotected sex yet as the show hasn’t covered that. From the way she looked at the calendar I think she had just remembered at that moment that it was that specific date. My personal interpretation is not that she went there to maliciously cheat on her husband but I believe she allowed her past relationship with him to cloud her judgment thus cheating on her husband. Cheating is consensual and it can be in different forms be it emotional or sexual. Please do not in any way compare this to rape or any other crimes of that nature. It’s not something that’s even in the same realm. A person that cheats a million times will always be better than a rapist. Rape is one of the worst crimes on this earth. So let’s take that completely out of this conversation. The reason why I said cheating is a human thing was in reference to people that always complain anytime cheating is depicted in TV it’s cause it’s a common thing that many people experience in different forms

I said I am able to separate her cheating from the main central part of the story which is finding out who is behind this app and who in their world is using said app to abuse people. This doesn’t mean that I agree with the FL for tampering with evidence or cheating on her husband. I personally believe they can salvage the phone aspect by accessing the phone to figure out the details or the reporters investigation. I see that the other two lawyers are doing the best they can with the circumstances they find themselves in due to the actions of the third lawyer. If you personally find her actions to be completely irredeemable that’s up to you. It’s only been two episodes and I’m someone that believes in character growth. You refuse to accept the complexities in humans and only want to see depictions of perfect morally upright people. Guess what it’s very easy for a decent person to go down a bad path. You only see in black and white. People can only be good and bad and you refuse to make room for the grey areas. It started with a text and it moved to a conversation. It went from a meeting to a cafe to a house to a kiss to sex to now you have to commit 30 more sins just to cover up all your other sins. I don’t understand how the actions of one woman undermines all the women depicted in this show. Women are human as well and they often make mistakes and commit sins. This show is an adaption if you are looking for perfect morally up right women you might want to watch something else.

You stated that their personal relationship with the victim overrides professional duty. Is this in reference to the minor or the reporter? I don’t understand how this would apply to the minor. When did they emotionally pressure their client? The client has lied twice now to her lawyers and because they have more intel they can be a bit more assertive with said client. They initially lost the case because the client didn’t disclose that she was an escort/prostitute and she met the actor on an app for sickos. Not to mention the other friend was completely willing to go with the idea that the reporter raped her and said that anyone was capable of said crime so this idea that they were willing to pressure the victim to punish her for ruining her friends love life is a complete lie that you just made up. They know that she didn’t kill the reporter and that he was killed for covering that app. Thats why they yelled at the police for interviewing her. Even if she didn’t sleep with him the outcome would have essentially been the same. He would have been killed and the victim would have taken responsibility. Again it’s factual that the actions of one lawyer put the other two lawyers in a very difficult spot. They are doing the best they can to salvage this situation. Btw I don’t even understand what exactly is it that you want to see? Have you never watched tv shows with flawed characters? Ever seen house? The mentalist? Pro bono? Is there someone arguing that these are perfect morally upright characters. I don’t understand what this conversation is even about anymore.

Yes her friends were disappointed in what she did but do you expect them to call up her husband and let him know? The focus of this drama is not the cheating or her tampering with evidence. Unfortunately her bad behavior put them in a tough position. They can report what happened thus undermining all of their hard work or they can operate in the grey area in order to take on a network of killers, abusers and pedos. It really is up to the interpretation of the viewers. My morality is willing to operate a bit grey and on the edges if it means taking on the Epstein’s of the world who are the 1 percent that are powerfully and wealthy. Her husband is already suspicious and will eventually find out about what transpired. It’s only been two episodes let’s at least wait until the story unfolds before making any definite statements. As for the show normalizing cheating I don’t understand what that even means. Cheating happened before tv was invented and it will continue to happen until the end of time. In real life sometimes there’s consequences for cheating and something cheaters get away with it. It’s just a fact of life.

I’m so confused are you a child? Have you never watched tv shows where the main characters are deeply flawed people? They lie and they cheat and they commit all types of sins because that’s what humans do in this world. Do you want to watch tv shows with perfect people? The writers didn’t tell you to relate to her. Sometimes in shows & movies you understand characters and relate to them and sometimes their behavior is upsetting and confusing. This is the nature of story telling. Why you wish to turn this into some sort of gender war is perplexing at best. You can already see with the trajectory of the story that she will have to grapple with the consequences of her actions. For me I understand the complexity of humans so I’m able to separate her personal life from her work life. If perfect morally upright characters are your thing maybe you should consider watching faith based programs.

it’s about time you finally spoke the truth. Hopefully one day you will be willing to accept your secret love of Korean romance dramas. You be clocking in day one like it’s a job. We love a true fan girl.