Eternal Love of Drama

@Chelsea Black The BDSM is what brought them together, but as you would know if you’ve ever been in a relationship, 1) your sexual kink is not the thing that you’re indulging in every single night or is it 2) the essential element - even of your sex life, that will keep you together.

This is a romance series and it makes sense that as the series went on it was more about the growing love and emotional connection between them. Just because somebody met in a nightclub or a coffee shop doesn’t mean they’re going to do that every day for all the time that they spend together because that was the thing that originally brought them together

I did not think that you intended to be homophobic but I think the statement is the same thing a homophobic person would say so it has the same effect even though the intention was not there. As you say we are all learning and those are seemingly small things which are actually very significant in how we think about and pigeonhole men and I don’t even want to dwell on the racial aspect because we do that to Asian men A Lot.

It means that when an Asian man looks more like what a US or European cultural/media idea of whata mafia man should look like ie more white, then people exposed to that Western media will rush to say that particular Asian man suited a mafia role better. Saying that typically Asian males are not masculine enough is something that has been done to Asian men by colonisers for 100s of years and something we need to really stop doing.

I didn’t watch this drama for Yoon but decided to give episode one a try. I have seen Yoon in other series that we are not as well written in which he did an okay job and I forgot about it. But in this production where they have a proper script, a proper plot, proper character depictions and excellent world building
(we actually know what Yoon’s criminal enterprises are, what industries he would not get involved with, who are his business and commercial enemies and why they want to kill him in general, and what is the biggest deal that he’s currently working on that is putting everyone’s life in danger in particular, and we actually see this man working from morning till night - the other non-BL about mafia that people like to compare it UN to, none of those things occurred)
so you understood their motivations and back stories without belabouring it with lazy exposition dumps in the last episode as other wannabe BL have done.

For example even bad buddy had a lot of plot, continuity and pacing issues and never lived up to audience expectations (go and look at the numbers - 8+M for 1/4 of Ep 1 But subsequent segments fell off by at least half and continue to stay there even the episode five 4/4 with The famous kissing scene that made many people come back and give it another chance, never reached the episode one 1/4 level. Yet no one criticises Bad Buddy To the extent they are criticising Unforgotten Night for things that they’re far better at than bad buddy.

Meanwhile unforgotten night rakes in more than 1 million viewers every night when it was airing for every segment and has not fallen off. It is on track to at least be as comparable as bad buddy on performance even though I did not have two massive leading men, the most well-known director in Thailand BL, the biggest production studio with the biggest budget, or enormous social media and advertising clout. I haven’t even added GagaOOLala views.

UN also achieved all this with a concerted hate campaign against it for the entire time it was running and even now it has ended people are still spending energy to criticise a series that if you look under any of the YouTube videos has a 99.9% approval rate. At this rate they will soon criticise it for not been Oscar nominated

I saw fans are talking about it but nothing official yet. We live in hope 💕

Its often a conscious effort by the creators to make one of the secondary relationships vague, especially if there is is a continuation of the original source material, so that they might make that secondary couple more prominent in any continuation of the stories in that universe.

But also lots of people have crushes on older men and it’s just tingly and nice to know the feeling is reciprocated, but bc of his job and maturity the older person has far more reservations and can’t just act on his feelings like the younger person obviously wants, and nothing physical happens in ghe end. That’s fine too and very realistic.

I usually never support second seasons but for this one I think the creators really did their homework and they’ve created a classic BL but I would at least be happy for a Special Episode which I hope they make 2 hrs long ha ha

@BL MaMa 50 It doesn’t make sense to me either why they are comparing an ordinary Lakorn series to this BL. I think Unforgotten Night can only be compared to trap the Taiwanese BL Trapped.

Unforgotten Night has experience BL, it actually has a plot; you understand the motivations of the protagonists as well as the antagonist and why they want to kill Kamol; you know what their business; is you know what crimes they do and don’t do for money; you know the major deal that is causing the current conflict; you actually see Kamol working every day, every night except when they went on that holiday.

Some fans of some other series that had a lot of advertising drew in a lot of people and even its own fans were so disappointed they started fighting among each other and simply have not stopped, are so sad bitter and disappointed they just go around trying to prevent other people who like BL from enjoying the series and its extremely crazy and pathetic.

We should feel sorry for them because if they had had a good show from the beginning they would still be busy talking about it because it just finished a few weeks ago. Look how people are still talking about The Untamed happily with other fans and that ended years ago. That’s what
happens when you create a good BL.

It is not the fault of Unforgotten Night that their series didn’t get over 1 million views every night while it was airing and the only series that got that much traction and it wasn’t even consistent was Bad Buddy a year ago. UN passed 100 MILLION views when it still had two episodes to go and that’s only on the small studio’s own channels not even counting
GagaOOLala and other platforms.

All these haters needed to do was get their faves to write a better story with a plot and with acting and they would be so busy enjoying it for the next 5 years they wouldn’t find time to harass other fans to feel the joy they’re not getting from their fave

I agree. I also would never understand why instead of going and hyping the series that you love you come where other people are enjoying something and tell them that they shouldn’t and how much you hate it.

Only a demented person could do such a thing. I hope they’re at least being well paid for embarrassing themselves in public like this

In the series Baiboon is in university and he and Khom are 3 years apart

First of all it is more than a little homophobic to say that a mafia man or any man must have a certain face to take on a male role. Kamol is perfectly masculine, he looks powerful in his role, he behaves like an actual powerful man in whatever business - mafia otherwise would behave.

Some of you may find it helpful to know your own history and also queer history and look up what actual mafia we are like and also their sexuality; you will learn a lot.

In the United States for example one of the most famous and deadly mafia kingpins in history is literally called Baby Face Nelson and he goes down in the annals of criminal gangsters whereas other more straight-passing men have been less impactful mafias and long since forgotten much like the series you’re desperately trying to link with this one every day.

For what it’s worth I not sure it’s relevant to compare UN to ordinary lakorns/series that are not even BL.

It’s embarrassing to hear both ignorant and homophobic takes coming from people reviewing a BL of all things

I just advise people to stop when you see them looking at each other and smiling gently in the street after all the fuss has died down in Ep 37 and they have accomplish the goal.

100 million views on the studio channels alone up to Ep 11. Not sure how many on GagaOOLala and other places. This is why the haters can’t get any sleep 🤣

Envious incels from that toxic fandom have come together to suppress the rating. This is how they use their loneliness time

You’re right it should be no less than 8.5. I loved it and everyone I know that watched did too

I don’t think there’s an air date yet. I think Unforgotten Night is a very different series from Checkout. UN for one thing, is a BL, a romance series and it has an actual plot and a great script that touched people’s heart.

CO I don’t think qualifies under any BL metric because it’s challenging nothing, deconstructing nothing, just soft porn with lipgloss but just wants the BL fandom engagement because it’s the fastest route to money in media right now.

Yes Japanese BL industry came first but when Thailand decided to initiate the live-action series space they used the Korean K-pop model as the business model and that’s where the fan service comes in. So when you look at the history of Thai BL FS service you see that it doesn’t originate in Japan or even China, both of which are also countries influenced by super successful K-pop and the marketing of K-pop idols.

Thailand has become so popular with its BL business model things have come full circle in that they’ve even influenced the Korean K-pop idol industry which is now following Thailand by putting their idols into the live action BL series like Semantic Error for instance, to boost their Kpop careers. The big Chinese FS moment for this started with the Untamed Actors,

I’m not sure about the K-pop music idols but certainly in the BL industry in Thailand those young actors do not make their money from the series; the real money is in the fan service part of the industry that’s where they do the promotions, sponsorships, live events and fan meets and all of those centre around the fan service. It’s not like in Hollywood where actors can get multi million dollar cheques for acting; in Thailand, China until very the last couple of years though less so than Thailand, and increasingly in Japan since covid, the money in liveaction BL comes from the acting-adjacent work -ie the FanService

Yes the video is lengthy but it goes quickly, I just listen while I’m working out or doing something else like a podcast rather than sit all the time and watch it?

Yes I’m also a nerd about Asian BL, fandom and different fandom cultures 😁

Actually we agree in many ways but not disagreeing in the way you think. Maybe I didn’t express myself well.

FS in integral to Thai BL because the industry business model follows the Kpop model where FS that engages a queer audience is central.

FS is quite political. So international fans who come at Thai BL from a particular cultural background embrace the parts that look relatable to them and reject the parts they don’t understand but that are precisely the parts that have meaning for queer communities in Asia.

This is well documented through the Asian region in countries that produce BL, most of it focussing on Korean, Thailand and now more recently Japan but to make it easier I’ll link an English language presentation from one of the foremost English-speaking authorities on Asian BL and Kpop to queer communities globally.

Thomas’ talk centres on how FS is perceived among fans in Asian and how it differs from Anglophone communities and why. https://youtu.be/_gkIvEOMjGo

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Very good review. I was blown away with Yoon’s acting from Ep 1

You mention the lack of consent - not in the bedroom but in terms of Yoon stalking Kim and and using the distraction that their sex play could be for Kim to finally persuaded him to come and live with him and I think that is the beginning of their consent arc in terms of consenting to be in a meaningful relationship based on love, as equals. Did you finish the final episode yet? I did and I am just so happy and still floating on cloud nine

It is an orchestrated campaign by that fandom. People can enjoy 10 series you don’t need to trash something for other people to enjoy your fave. At least everyone notices it’s extreme so you know the criticisms are not genuine. Once can spot a genuine fan making a criticism and a hate campaign.

Yes Kamol killed it from Ep 1 with his acting! He moved, spoke and looked like a actual powerful man and he didn’t break character once in 12 episodes. Even if you’re not in the mafia and you’re a powerful man in business that is how you move, you talk; it’s slow, it’s controlled - the way he turns around when someone calls his name, constantly on guard and on the look out. He doesn’t scream and get hysterical. He’s not pally pally with his subordinates. Even with Khom who is his trusted confidant there is a line they don’t cross. A powerful man is never going to be caught scrabbling about on the floor with a university student while his bodyguard standby because that was just be ridiculous. Kamol contemplates every move before he makes it and honestly I was blown away with his acting from episode one 👏🏽

On this visuals, it always makes me laugh when people say his face is too smooth or pretty for the role because first of all that’s homophobic and I don’t think I need to say more. But when I hear it from English speakers esp Americans it’s even more hilarious as those people do not even know their own history because one of the most famous and deadly gangsters in American history was literally called BABY FACE Nelson.

So a lot of the criticisms are just ignorant and come from people who do not know anything about media analysis and know even less about BL’s history and impact because the purpose isn’t to just be giving people erections. BL is dealing with challenging homophobic stereotypes that even many queer people have internalised, and challenging STEREOTYPES about MASCULINITY especially imposed by western colonialism, as well as Homonormativity.

So I think UN really returned BL to its classical roots and that’s why it’s so loved. We need more like this

I actually didn’t understand any of those criticisms about the sex scene in episode one. If you ever had sex you know the more you get to know each other the better is the sex and I think they communicated the feelings that both people had that night (acting is first and foremost the transmission of Emotions) both in the moment and afterwards, and that was more important to imo than simple visuals.

My only demerit point would be because I would've like to see more care scenes, which seem to have been relegated mostly to the secondary couple or to Kim caring for Kamol, but I would’ve liked to see even in the last episode a longer time with Kamol physically caring for Kim while he was sick.

Yes we need at least hand holding from Khom and Baiboon but I hear there is a special episode so we might just get that as well.

Definitely a must watch, highly Rewatchable - I think I’ve watched episode 10 10 times as episode 11 was really stressful because it was the peak of the conflict, and I will be re-watching the beautiful finale episode for the third time this weekend. Loved it!

It’s the morning after the finale and I’m still swooning over this beautiful, romantic mafia series with some nice dramatic tension to make pure hearts beat even faster. HIStory3:Trapped lovers you’ll love Unforgotten Night too.

Just to remind everyone the unhappy incels will be mad hectic in this comment section after such a perfect finale so please remember that like Danil, angry and cruel people are looking for always looking for the love and attention that they don’t have, so don’t stare at them whatever they do. They’re working so hard trying to hate this series they will soon lose weight too 🤣

Bravo to YoonTon and congratulations to all the team at Y.Entertainment for an excellent job and for bringing happiness and joy to so many millions of BL fans🥳. Onto the next 100 Million views!

Can’t wait for the Special Ep and more of Khom/Baiboon 💕

The antis only hate fan service when it isn’t masc4masc men abusing each other. Men being decent human beings to the person they love, being romantic and caring for each other, and treating each other as equals in a loving relationship is their problem.

I loved it and I’m glad the vast majority of BL fans adored it. Can’t wait for the special Ep and yes more of Khom/Baiboon 😍