Just when I was really missing my favourite mafia men Y.Entertainment posted a new behind the scenes video. Prepare for your Sunday smile 😍😍 😍😍 😍😍😍https://youtu.be/J6meIuGozns
Great news🎊! I saw something about the fandom name being a combination of their two fandom names in Thai. Did…
@kikuitadaka Thanks for the link. I’ll take a look. Maybe it should be added to a discussion here with translations of their interviews so it doesn’t get lost in all the traffic
I never noticed Ton before UN but he and Yoon make a great love team and as we know any mafia man laundering his money into the legal economy needs a great Accountant 😃.
Envious incels from that toxic fandom have come together to suppress the rating. This is how they use their loneliness…
@BL MaMa 50 I think KP people the fandom experience for the first time, much like 2Gether at a very stressful time in the lives of millions of people but I don’t know any more than that.
So interesting these anti-BLs using BL to make money off the BL industry while trying to de-centre the long standing community of progressive creators and fans, but they’re never better than the work they’re critiquing and often worse. Interesting propaganda tool but I guess that’s what happens when capitalism takes over art.
I honestly did not expect to but I really enjoyed Yoon as Kamol who had to act as someone different from all his previous 5 BL roles, as well as become the total opposite of himself and didn’t drop character once, and he deserves props for that. I think he looked like an actual mafia man rather than a western person’s idea that they learned from Hollywood shows. Mafia men don’t even look like that in America so it’s hilarious. By the time you get to where you are going around on private jets and having 10 competitive, large businesses in 4-5 sectors that are all flourishing you’re not looking like a street thug because you’ve actually used your brain to get to where you are and at that stage mafia kingpins are indistinguishable from any investment banker or wealthy politician (the quintessential gangsters btw). Check private jet lounges and you’ll see - all smooth, pampered faces.
I especially like that they didn’t give into Western fans expectations that they would make an Asian mafia character look more like the white ideal of a mafia character like Scarface or the Godfather - so 100% for authenticity. The men that survive to be at the top of the mafia food chain don’t look like the Hollywood ideal because they get there through brains not brawn. Intelligent people with experience of the real world wrote this script and deserve praise for this.
Yeah someone told me UN is the most streamed on YT in 2022 so far and that not even BBS had such consistent views but I’ve asked for the data even if just for myself as I don’t want to upset other fandoms.
All in all I’m very happy for their success and I hope to see a lot more from this production company no matter who the actors
Well, I do not know whether this was made for thai and/or international audience. However, it bears all the elements…
Loved it and was especially blown away by Yoon’s portrayal. I went in with no expectations and may’ve discovered my Thai BL of the year for 2022 .
I’m so glad the endorsements and commercial opportunities are continuing to roll in for this talented crew that went above and beyond to make something really impactful as well as faithful to the genre and it’s audiences 💕💕💕
@Yoursforever I find most of the negative comments insincere and the ones that appear genuine seem mostly tainted…
@Nimmerland You started a war unprovoked and now you’re crying because you didn’t win. Hmmmmm
No one told you to go back anywhere. You would do well to learn to respect other cultures that don’t reflect your world view and go and enjoy the things you think are better, instead of bullying others over fiction
@Yoursforever I find most of the negative comments insincere and the ones that appear genuine seem mostly tainted…
@Nimmerland I think you would be better off enjoying your German series then rather than try to tell people who've made up more than 100Million views of mostly Thai people enjoying a series made for them, what they to comment
As an outsider, with a colonising perspective, your view is quite irrelevant compared to the intended audience of Thai people, and that is why I take my view from them.
All the other foreign incels should spend their energy on things they love as much as the intended audience love this series, and stop blitzkrieging xenophobic bile whenever you see people people enjoying things you're not a part of
I liked how Good All the Actors were in this movie.. Kamol was a Mafia Bigshot and was cool headed & fearless…
Yes! Totally different from any role Yoon had before. He altered his voice, he walked, talked and moved his a powerful man and a man who is always contemplating danger and Yoon did not break character once in 12 wonderful episodes! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Should I give it a try or not ? I'm utterly confused 😵 Comments here are so mixed that I can't decide 🤕
@Yoursforever I find most of the negative comments insincere and the ones that appear genuine seem mostly tainted by clearly well-orchestrated trashing from another fandom.
Just look at the feedback from BL fans in the YouTube comments who actually watched UN to see genuine reviews; maybe start from Ep 12 videos or just do it randomly.
I enjoyed this series immensely and re-watched every single episode multiple times and highly recommend it to everyone.
But I have to say if I had seen the MDL negative reviews and the low rating without realising how it has been maliciously forced-down, before I started watching I probably might not have started the most streamed Thai BL on YouTube this year
Some friends have put subtitles on the beautiful Boy Sompob OST for Unforgotten Night. It’s even more special now with the translations added and brings back such lovely memories. Enjoy! https://youtu.be/D4Qj0aqiGt0
First of all it is more than a little homophobic to say that a mafia man or any man must have a certain face to…
@Kikuitadaki So true. I actually started reading the book to find out if there any veracity to these miscasting claims. They literally only removed his moustache in the series and people are having a meltdown! It’s like they will not be satisfied unless they bring the exact non existing man out of the book somehow 🤣.
Honestly I’ve been tracking this and any time a BL series doesn’t have two masc4 masc men together - the very ultimate in heteronormativity, we get endless complaints from western fantis because they want representation to reflect what they have at home - reflect entirely made up things that are culturally relevant only to themselves. This is the opposite off what anyone should expect in Asia BL. But it’s as if they won’t rest until every BL looks like a live action Tom of Finland comic 🤣🤣🤣
First of all it is more than a little homophobic to say that a mafia man or any man must have a certain face to…
@Greenbean Khap khun ka for contributing to the discussion.
It’s called an adaptation which means that the director has a particular vision for how he would like to turn the backbone of the story into a television series. Each David Copperfield book has multiple TV adaptations spanning nearly a century and there are still debates about what kind of men, ethnicities, skin colouring etc were appropriate to star in those roles created by Dickens and a lot of it stems from patriarchal and racist ideas about men and masculinity.
This idea of what is masculine is a topic deeply embedded in homophobia, even straight men are assaulted by these terminologies which are informed by misogyny, that is why the two can never be unrelated. Homonormativity is also an issue in how even queer men influenced by it make their own evaluations of what is the right look for men in certain roles.
The fact that we are talking about Asian men is also important to the racial context of the feedback; the only people saying this are native English speakers and people exposed to the dominance of US and anglophone media. Thai people and BL fans are not the ones are making these backwards contentions and it is significant and relevant to point that out. Someone who is researching gay media in Asia has written an entire book in English - Regimes of Desire, about those perspectives on who looks right for what role, and who is manly, desirable, etc and how this longing for more hegemonically masculine aesthetics is ultimately a discussion about desiring whiteness.
Because you might not be aware that that is what is informing those predjudices does not make it not a phenomenon operating under these critiques and I’m bringing that to attention so people can be more aware of those silent ideologies.
I try to use words as accurate as possible to describe what I’m talking about and certainly didn’t mean to trigger anyone. Luckily reading words used correctly is not as harmful as directing heir meaning to the people we unthinkingly subject to that treatment
PS: I hate to say look it up but if you’ve been reading this thread at least, you will see that many criticisms of Yoon’s unsuitability for the role centered on him having “a baby face” (and I think we can agree that baby face isn’t a descriptor used to positively evaluate men’s masculinity, right??)
First of all it is more than a little homophobic to say that a mafia man or any man must have a certain face to…
Yes indeed. We’re all hoping for the same thing.
What I liked about the Unforgotten Night is that it was showing that even though Kamol is a tough guy involved in very deadly and criminal business when it comes to the person that he loves he’s very soft, he’s vulnerable with him, doesn’t rely on hierarchies and dominance in their romantic relationship and treats Kim like an equal.
That is: the world may be on fire but we don’t need to have a perfect world before we can be good partners to the people we love and who love us.
I think that more than anything else that is what BL is trying to model and to demonstrate aspirationally and that’s what I think UN did an excellent job at, never mind other more superficial things. It delivered the most important things
@Chelsea Black The BDSM is what brought them together, but as you would know if you’ve ever been in a relationship,…
Well many millions more do not agree and the data is there to prove it.
Yes it’s called unforgotten night not repeat the same thing every night. People in love have complete rich lives where they enjoy friends, family, work, food and even pets.
I also remember the night I met my lover and every day we add new memories to the basic things that brought us together. What’s patronising about acknowledging how relationships actually work?
First of all it is more than a little homophobic to say that a mafia man or any man must have a certain face to…
Ok sorry for the writing part. I’m responding to a few things and isn’t want to leave anything out and forget.
Yoon was a good actor before this and absolutely killed it in this his first role. If you recall from his other work Yoo changed his voice, the way he walked, his body language, how he held himself -completely unlike Earth for example who simply plays himself in every single BL as emotionally constipated man number one. If you think about how powerful men behave they speak slowly, they react slowly especially to provocation, they’re cautious, they don’t get hysterical as we just saw in that series where is someone who is supposed to be a mafia don is scrabbling around on the ground with a university student who wants to hire like that would never happen. He’s always very calculating and projects Power ever frivolousness.
Everything in the portrayal is like real life - it comes down to how cerebral he is and how much he can out-strategise his enemies rather than his facial looks. I think he did all those things brilliantly.
Then I think you need to watch a few more BLs including perhaps some from Japan and you will see how unforgotten Night is really signalling a return to Classic BL production and performance.
There has been a lot of new creators flooding the industry with bogus not quite BL or BL-adjacent productions that got a lot of attention sometimes from people who were new to the genre and not watching it for decades like some of us and they think that those standards of Mediocrity is what the bl should look and feel like.
BL has been setting its own agenda, it has its own politics which are progressive and way beyond what is available in western queer media, it avoids not just heteronormativity but also homonormativity which is all the rage in the west and so when people don’t see it sometimes they miss it and start crying about why it isn’t there, it doesn’t just attack heteronormativity but also hierarchies within gay politics. For eg you would certainly not see such a backward conclusion as the man who came into the relationship as the more powerful mafia boss ending up with the exact same power differential at the end of the story vis-a-vis his partner who has to give up his education and independent source of income as a white, 1950s American housewife might do.
So our view can be warped by the things that get a lot of promotion, a lot of marketing hype and a massive loudmouth fandom but it doesn’t mean that they are BL or that objectively they can be counted as within the state of the art
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Yoon tweeted today about the Special Ep and made everyone so happy. Still no date yet but it’s enough to keep us going for now
I never noticed Ton before UN but he and Yoon make a great love team and as we know any mafia man laundering his money into the legal economy needs a great Accountant 😃.
So interesting these anti-BLs using BL to make money off the BL industry while trying to de-centre the long standing community of progressive creators and fans, but they’re never better than the work they’re critiquing and often worse. Interesting propaganda tool but I guess that’s what happens when capitalism takes over art.
I honestly did not expect to but I really enjoyed Yoon as Kamol who had to act as someone different from all his previous 5 BL roles, as well as become the total opposite of himself and didn’t drop character once, and he deserves props for that. I think he looked like an actual mafia man rather than a western person’s idea that they learned from Hollywood shows. Mafia men don’t even look like that in America so it’s hilarious. By the time you get to where you are going around on private jets and having 10 competitive, large businesses in 4-5 sectors that are all flourishing you’re not looking like a street thug because you’ve actually used your brain to get to where you are and at that stage mafia kingpins are indistinguishable from any investment banker or wealthy politician (the quintessential gangsters btw). Check private jet lounges and you’ll see - all smooth, pampered faces.
I especially like that they didn’t give into Western fans expectations that they would make an Asian mafia character look more like the white ideal of a mafia character like Scarface or the Godfather - so 100% for authenticity. The men that survive to be at the top of the mafia food chain don’t look like the Hollywood ideal because they get there through brains not brawn. Intelligent people with experience of the real world wrote this script and deserve praise for this.
Yeah someone told me UN is the most streamed on YT in 2022 so far and that not even BBS had such consistent views but I’ve asked for the data even if just for myself as I don’t want to upset other fandoms.
All in all I’m very happy for their success and I hope to see a lot more from this production company no matter who the actors
I’m so glad the endorsements and commercial opportunities are continuing to roll in for this talented crew that went above and beyond to make something really impactful as well as faithful to the genre and it’s audiences 💕💕💕
No one told you to go back anywhere. You would do well to learn to respect other cultures that don’t reflect your world view and go and enjoy the things you think are better, instead of bullying others over fiction
As an outsider, with a colonising perspective, your view is quite irrelevant compared to the intended audience of Thai people, and that is why I take my view from them.
All the other foreign incels should spend their energy on things they love as much as the intended audience love this series, and stop blitzkrieging xenophobic bile whenever you see people people enjoying things you're not a part of
Just look at the feedback from BL fans in the YouTube comments who actually watched UN to see genuine reviews; maybe start from Ep 12 videos or just do it randomly.
I enjoyed this series immensely and re-watched every single episode multiple times and highly recommend it to everyone.
But I have to say if I had seen the MDL negative reviews and the low rating without realising how it has been maliciously forced-down, before I started watching I probably might not have started the most streamed Thai BL on YouTube this year
Honestly I’ve been tracking this and any time a BL series doesn’t have two masc4 masc men together - the very ultimate in heteronormativity, we get endless complaints from western fantis because they want representation to reflect what they have at home - reflect entirely made up things that are culturally relevant only to themselves. This is the opposite off what anyone should expect in Asia BL. But it’s as if they won’t rest until every BL looks like a live action Tom of Finland comic 🤣🤣🤣
It’s called an adaptation which means that the director has a particular vision for how he would like to turn the backbone of the story into a television series. Each David Copperfield book has multiple TV adaptations spanning nearly a century and there are still debates about what kind of men, ethnicities, skin colouring etc were appropriate to star in those roles created by Dickens and a lot of it stems from patriarchal and racist ideas about men and masculinity.
This idea of what is masculine is a topic deeply embedded in homophobia, even straight men are assaulted by these terminologies which are informed by misogyny, that is why the two can never be unrelated. Homonormativity is also an issue in how even queer men influenced by it make their own evaluations of what is the right look for men in certain roles.
The fact that we are talking about Asian men is also important to the racial context of the feedback; the only people saying this are native English speakers and people exposed to the dominance of US and anglophone media. Thai people and BL fans are not the ones are making these backwards contentions and it is significant and relevant to point that out. Someone who is researching gay media in Asia has written an entire book in English - Regimes of Desire, about those perspectives on who looks right for what role, and who is manly, desirable, etc and how this longing for more hegemonically masculine aesthetics is ultimately a discussion about desiring whiteness.
Because you might not be aware that that is what is informing those predjudices does not make it not a phenomenon operating under these critiques and I’m bringing that to attention so people can be more aware of those silent ideologies.
I try to use words as accurate as possible to describe what I’m talking about and certainly didn’t mean to trigger anyone. Luckily reading words used correctly is not as harmful as directing heir meaning to the people we unthinkingly subject to that treatment
PS: I hate to say look it up but if you’ve been reading this thread at least, you will see that many criticisms of Yoon’s unsuitability for the role centered on him having “a baby face” (and I think we can agree that baby face isn’t a descriptor used to positively evaluate men’s masculinity, right??)
What I liked about the Unforgotten Night is that it was showing that even though Kamol is a tough guy involved in very deadly and criminal business when it comes to the person that he loves he’s very soft, he’s vulnerable with him, doesn’t rely on hierarchies and dominance in their romantic relationship and treats Kim like an equal.
That is: the world may be on fire but we don’t need to have a perfect world before we can be good partners to the people we love and who love us.
I think that more than anything else that is what BL is trying to model and to demonstrate aspirationally and that’s what I think UN did an excellent job at, never mind other more superficial things. It delivered the most important things
Yes it’s called unforgotten night not repeat the same thing every night. People in love have complete rich lives where they enjoy friends, family, work, food and even pets.
I also remember the night I met my lover and every day we add new memories to the basic things that brought us together. What’s patronising about acknowledging how relationships actually work?
Yoon was a good actor before this and absolutely killed it in this his first role. If you recall from his other work Yoo changed his voice, the way he walked, his body language, how he held himself -completely unlike Earth for example who simply plays himself in every single BL as emotionally constipated man number one. If you think about how powerful men behave they speak slowly, they react slowly especially to provocation, they’re cautious, they don’t get hysterical as we just saw in that series where is someone who is supposed to be a mafia don is scrabbling around on the ground with a university student who wants to hire like that would never happen. He’s always very calculating and projects Power ever frivolousness.
Everything in the portrayal is like real life - it comes down to how cerebral he is and how much he can out-strategise his enemies rather than his facial looks. I think he did all those things brilliantly.
Then I think you need to watch a few more BLs including perhaps some from Japan and you will see how unforgotten Night is really signalling a return to Classic BL production and performance.
There has been a lot of new creators flooding the industry with bogus not quite BL or BL-adjacent productions that got a lot of attention sometimes from people who were new to the genre and not watching it for decades like some of us and they think that those standards of Mediocrity is what the bl should look and feel like.
BL has been setting its own agenda, it has its own politics which are progressive and way beyond what is available in western queer media, it avoids not just heteronormativity but also homonormativity which is all the rage in the west and so when people don’t see it sometimes they miss it and start crying about why it isn’t there, it doesn’t just attack heteronormativity but also hierarchies within gay politics. For eg you
would certainly not see such a backward conclusion as the man who came into the relationship as the more powerful mafia boss ending up
with the exact same power differential at the end of the story vis-a-vis
his partner who has to give up his education and independent source of income as a white, 1950s American housewife might do.
So our view can be warped by the things that get a lot of promotion,
a lot of marketing hype and a massive loudmouth fandom but it doesn’t
mean that they are BL or that objectively they can be counted as within
the state of the art