Tsukushi Makino

Both the ML's manipulated FL but only SML is condemned for it not the ML who used the Red thread to manipulate FL's Mortal trial knowing very well that Moon Immortal is a fate deity and is responsible for the Love and marriage of all mortals.
Now where is FL's Consent ? was she allowed to find herself ..NO, she was manipulated and forced to do things by everyone around her but in the end only SML is to be blamed for but what about others? BTW FL is herself responsible for killing ML also, the ML knew that his mother had something to do behind the death of FL's parent but he never told her moreover, RY didn't knew about the weapon FL had so yes he may had planned to stop XF from ruining his plan but killing was out of the option. Now after ML's death it was FL who kept coming back to heaven realms but never went back to floral realm. If RY is a villain so as for JM and XF who are responsible for the death of so many around them.

IKR, Love is just a mere word in this drama, its all about infatuation between the leads. This drama is more like Tribulation of RY, who went through a lot to bring Justice but the issue is that he just the second male lead due to which got titled as Villain.

L&R is far better than AOL in terms of portraying true, pure and innocent love between XJ and SF..<3.
For me, in case of AOL:-
1. There is no love story in AOL its all about Infatuation between the lead characters. XF side of love is all about being physical rather than understanding your partner.
2. Personally for me acting doesn't depend on the face value rather how well they portray and Chemistry between lead comes from how well their character is written. YZ acting is one dimensional except for the emotional scene other was looking over exaggerated and XF character was so bland.
3. I didn't find that wow factor in AOL except for RY's character which was quite well written and LYX nailed it.
4. XF and JM character was so despicable, hypocrites and awful...
5. Very draggy but ost was good
6. Side character like Moon Immortal, Yan Yu, Demon princess, Emperor and Empress are biased towards XF. Demon princess and Muci doesn't add much to the story so even if there love story is excluded it will still work..
7. The FL was just unable to fall in love but showing her like a mentally incapable was just so lame. Both the leads manipulated her but she just condemned RY but what about XF just bcoz u like him so its fine?
8. In short the protagonist feels like antagonist and vice versa, it's more like Tribulation of RY.

In case of L&R
1. less draggy compared to AOL and has a good music
2. Love story between XJ and SF didn't felt force type, SF gave XJ enough space when he misunderstood her feeling for Minyan.
3. L&R isn't just about falling in love but also a journey of self discovery.
4. Loved the friendship, sisterhood and brotherhood between the characters.
5. Loved how XJ kept on arguing with Hao Chen for SF<3
6. It was very well shown when a person gets stuck between love and family they do make hard decisions and most of the time end up hurting themselves.
7. Even when XJ didn't had six senses she was able to act according to her understanding.
8. When XJ misunderstood SF, she didn't go on blaming this and that rather understood her mistake and tried everything to make amend for it.

The priest who got murdered was like a father figure to her but when he was framed for bribery and sexual harassment she didn't do anything rather even after knowing that the evidence are fake, she said that the priest was engaged in such activities which was really awful ... Yes the detective guy is incompetent but it wasn't him who had a fatherly relationship with the priest but the prosecutor..

true that, he is a graceful actor but such a great talent is getting wasted without any projects.

oky cooll

I m not here to change your opinion i just gave some explanations to things which u have mentioned.
Initially XF was able to run from the alliance bcoz her mother supported her decision and the alliance wasn't formed yet, Crown prince was one of the contender not the selected one. Plus Liang state had Danchi clan backing them up that's why Liang state posed threat to Emperor which is why he tracked them down. Moreover, Liang and central plain are already in an alliance bcoz Grand Empress daughter married XF's dad.

As for GJ he did some regretful actions and it cannot be undone but doesn't that means he is unforgivable, the guy did protected XF at all cost without caring for his life and yeah i also don't like how GJ kidnapped XF without thinking that he won't be able to protect her forever as he has limited time but that was for the best and didn't XF wanted to run away from LCY after he killed GJ bcoz the guy she loved and LCY are diff in nature. LCY will do anything to get the throne and anything which posses threat to that plan will be eliminated, he won't kill XF but he will use her if needed.

Its not about marriage it about the being used by someone u trust so much due to which your whole family and loved ones are dead it just painful to even think about that. More imp that you cannot avenge but still have to marry the guy. Also, in the end XF brother did said that he won't use a woman for alliance.
Well i have seen worse FL than this, XF is still far better than those at the very least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PFkA331Rk&t=1159s

This is link of interview with cast explaining about their characters. You will find Pei Zhao character intro too, the actor did mentioned that Pei Zhao also has feelings for her but he knows the boundary rd 18:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PFkA331Rk&t=1159s

This is link of interview with cast explaining about their characters i hope it can help to understand the character better.

LCY is not a hateful character but he and XF won't end up together was an undeniable fact due to what happened between them.
Yes GJ made a huge mistake but he paid for it and XF isn't selfish or a weak person.

There is a difference in XF and LCY personalities:
XF grew in Liang state which didn't have much political issues within the court the life was simple not much complicated plus she was the most favorite princess so sort of spoiled too and GJ is also there to protect her. XF is simple, mischievous, impulsive and she loves her family and friends . This is one of the reason why LCY loves XF.
Where else, LCY grew up in Place with all sort of cunning people around him trying to use and make there way up to the Throne, he is well aware of how things work in the palace that's why he mentioned that if he is not ruthless enough then how can he sit on the throne.

I will be talking more about XF only in the discussion below:
I know many mentioned that XF should have taken revenge etc etc ...but its not that easy, LCY is a prince and the Emperor hold more power than other small kingdoms that's why whichever kingdom posses thereat to him will be annihilated like Danchi. So, even if XF wants to take the revenge there is a lot of this and that involved bcoz if it gets out that the Princess of Liang state tried to kill or hurt LCY then more people will have to die bcoz of that, is that kind of revenge worth it ?

Since, it wasn't possible for her to kill him directly that's why she agreed to be the crown princess so, once she becomes the crown princess she will use that status to avenge Danchi clan but little did she knew that everything GJ, Pei Zhao and others did was just to make way for LCY to the Crown Prince tittle. Now it was impossible for her to avenge neither she can be with LCY it was more like a guilt bcoz of her love, whole Danchi clan was destroyed, caused her mother's death and made her father go mad that's why she jumped into the river of forgetfulness.

After XF lost her memories she is bound by the place etiquettes bcoz of the marriage alliance but due to the incident with Danchi and all that what happened she was given the slack but obviously she knows that she is just a piece of item it doesn't matter what she wants all she can do is wait for the day to become the Crown Princess. We all know that LCY used XF against his fight with the 2nd Prince due to which XF got heavily poisoned but still she believed in him. Here, XF doesn't understand the cunning and ruthless power struggle which is involved in the palace.
When XF learned about Danchi clan she wanted to run away from the marriage but after Grand Empress made her understand the importance of marriage alliance, XF didn't run instead she stayed for the people then how is she selfish ??. If it wasn't for her smart move to call GJ for help when LCY and A'du was on the verge of death they wouldn't have made it back alive. Just bcoz XF was enjoying herself outside the palace doesn't make her selfish, the palace wasn't actually the home it was a prison.
XF never got jealous or irritated with the fact that LCY loves Sese bcoz she knew that's the life in the palace the prince will always have more than 1 wife.

When XF gained her memory back what was more painful for her that she still fell in love with LCY and she has to live as his wife by his side pretending to be happy. I would say XF is in a more painful situation bcoz neither she can take revenge nor she is allowed to leave the palace its like being caged.

One more point is that XF was just 15/16 when she entered the Palace and she died when she was 18yrs old as per the novel. I can only say that the time she forget everything was just the borrowed time otherwise, she would have died the very day she jumped in the river of forgetfulness.

" I still remember the part where DengLun stab himself. Kinda reminds me of Naruto(because he said he'll bear all of the grievances of the past)".

If u weren't actually correlating it in anyway then, what's the point of bring Naruto into the the review for this drama out of nowhere . I thought u r a Naruto fan so u might understand in which sense i m saying but anyways they say na.. A self evident fact requires no proof.
BTW my a*s is down unlike urs...... PEACE OUT dude.

Don't compare Naruto with XF's character, XF watched RY getting being treated badly by his mother for so long but he never really stood up against his mother for him however, if it had been Naruto the things would be different he would rather fight to protect or do anything to protect his brother.

It doesn't matter what u think about the drama BUT DO NOT DISSRESPECT NARUTO bcoz of some despicable characters.

XF is an immortal who has seen and learned a lot not only that he was even a King during his mortal trial do u think a king can be slow learner so people would suffer in misery. It was XF who learned first that JM doesn’t even know gender diff or socially well-equipped and it was XF with whom JM stayed for 100yrs (as per may viewers comment) after first arriving in the heaven realms, do you still feel the time was not enough for XF to understand JM? XF knew about how RY was living but did he really do anything?? This kind of action isn’t called slow learner but Sheer Ignorance. Even after staying with JM for so long if, XF is still unable to understand then who’s fault is that?? slow learners are those who can't make any judgement easily bcoz of various reasons but in XF case its Sheer Ignorance.

As per my comment above I did mention, RY only knew about JM love means normal love since, he does understand that JM isn't socially well equipped. And yeah, after figuring out about his memory loss pill, he was able to understand that perhaps it’s the same for JM which happened after JM and XF came back from Mortal Realm.

I told you earlier also JM already started suspecting XF, unless they find out the real person behind the murder XF is still the only suspect. RY only assumed that XF can't be the killer on the basis of their relationship of years however, there is no evidence which proves this. About the case it’s all up to emperor not on RY and even with RY not helping XF about the case, XF still had 3 years to prove his innocence or even use some lead to make JM suspicious but what did he do??
As for my comment above i also, mentioned that in future if they suffer any injustice then do, they have the right to complain? With which u agreed. Everything has a start point and end point and I do pick things from the beginning not for middle.

I guess that's bcoz Water immortal isn't a womanizer unlike that scumbag Emperor.

I know right, well for me also RY deserves better and JM isn't the one.
But i would also blame JM for a lot of things, being a woman doesn't necessarily mean that u have to be weak or depend on a guy to support her.
JM should have thought about how XF made came to Mortal Realm and how they were connected etc, neither she really made an attempt to know her parents past better. It was like no matter how many people dies or get hurt then only thing mattered it just one. JM did said that she treats RY as a friend but did she really?? the way she treats Pu chi and Rou Ruo was different than how she treated RY.
So, though XF did manipulate JM trial but JM accepted it as to why? Due to pathetic old reasons of just being a ML.

It’s not easy to break a contract Tai Wei is damn cunning he will have its own way of doing thing.

Initially i thought too, although i didn't really care for Tai Wei bcoz after all he is a Rapist. But still i felt bad since, he was their dad so someone back then made a comment on YT mentioned about the poison was only meant to make him loose his powers since, translation was not accurate. And it’s not the first time many Chinese audience have mentioned that translations are inaccurate. You can check the translation in Viki its different than one u has in YT.
XF already had his suspicion that RY will rebel on the wedding day so he could have told his father and restrain RY and it would have been great for XF as it might be possible that the wedding will be cancelled in the end and RY getting caught without killing him. However, announcing it in public is actually killing RY not saving bcoz normally rebels are killed.

I have mentioned the same thing No matter how much XF cares for RY, he will never do anything out of his line for him unlike in case of his mother and JM it’s like a skeptical love.

War is all about strategies and planning which make you smart enough to use ur skill in normal life so stop making such excuses.

RY learned about JM pill after he learned about how Tu Yao kept him by using some memory Elixir. The only things RY knows is for JM like means normal like not love one and that was something RY did mentioned in XF presence too.
Yes u got that correct about how XF never really understand JM bcoz all he cared was about hugging, kissing or getting intimate with her, he never really understood her even after spending years with her.
When u really love someone u rather spend time in understanding that person instead of just physical appearance.
Initially RY just wanted to spend his time peacefully but then things were forced and drastic actions were needed.

Again i will say it's a cultural thing in china if u had watched historical drama u can know if the Main wife does not have kid the child with concubines will be called as the main child moreover it was something recognized by everyone including both wind and water immortal then others doesn't have a say in it.
U feel like more sure than JM herself regarding whom she like, i just mentioned in my above comment that what JM pill thing is not known to anyone, only thing RY and XF knows is that both love her since, it has come down to that RY is her fiance then why should he back off ? When JM doesn't love any of them, its like a simple arrange marriage stuff.
So running after your brother fiance makes you what a creepy stalker?

Yes its the both ways i do wanted to mention that above but forgot to do that.
You talking about events before mortal trial but then giving me reasons based on mortal trial like between it nothing happened. You keep on saying contract marriage and all that then why in the world Water immortal married wind immortal when he also didn't love her.
Just like that the marriage contract they had is not the normal one which u can break of easily.

RY did poisoned his dad which will make him loose all his powers not enough for killing him but he had a choice to use last bit of his power in order to protect himself which can be concluded from the convo between Moon and Tai wei.

Then ask yourself the moment JM learned that all the evidences are against XF then why she didn't killed him in that instance rather she waited for whole 3 yrs. 3 yrs is still a long time for JM to learn and for XF to know the real culprit. And don't start that RY already knew who who did it bcoz it's wrong he learned after XF's death.

Read my comment properly it was my suggestion if XF wanted to protect JM he could have had a word with his mother rather than following her but obviously going to mortal realm is more advantageous to him. And after the mortal trial he did threatened his own mom bcoz that will favour him more.
So, filial piety is the thing but not marriage. XF and RY are not some 3/4 yrs old they r rd 4000 yrs old and u r saying that XF stood up for RY then why RY was still living in pain ? or why he had to stay on alert all the time knowing Tu Yao might kill him any time.
If XF was that worried about RY after what happened in the Nirvana then after getting well did he directly checked upon RY ?? NO unless and un-till he is told he won't care.
Tu Yao is a child abuser who mentally and physically assaulted RY for thousand of yrs and XF watched it but never actually did anything. Not only them but all those who knew are equally guilty.

Well, that’s how u feel not me. I won’t call JM a Blockhead specially after Mortal Trial bcoz she planned well to trap Tu Yao in her own game. Moreover, JM pill was just restring her to recognize feeling related to love other than that she was completely normal.

Do you think XF who called “God of War” is slow to pick up things? If that would be the case then I doubt about him getting such praise worthy tittle he has. You are Partially wrong bcoz JM did said “Everyone is supposed to get married” though she doesn’t the depth of it but she does have an idea about it. It’s a historical drama not a modern period drama so u cannot treat the situation same otherwise, do u think water immortal would have married wind immortal, a marriage decree by the Emperor needs to be honored or else u will have to face the consequences.
Coming to marriage, First it was Tu Yao who kidnapped RY and fed him memory lost Elixir in order to control him otherwise it would have XF engaged to JM and RY living his own life. 2nd is it’s a marriage granted by Emperor himself Since, RY wasn’t given a choice then why should he let it go when it’s with the person he likes. 3rd breaking engagement will be punishable and as usual RY will get the worse where else, water immortal won’t get the worse.

A simple thing is JM doesn’t know about who she love and the pill, which goes for everyone including RY. Such being the case both RY and XF had equal chance of winning her heart but the point where it was revealed that JM is RY’s fiancé XF should stop forcing his love on JM. Just, above u mentioned she isn’t aware of things but since she kissed XF doesn’t mean XF can do the same it’s sexual assault dude bcoz she is not aware of physical intimacy otherwise don’t u think RY had better chance when JM herself was asking for mutual cultivation. Why r u talking about Loveless marriage ??did JM confessed to XF that she loved him while signing the marriage agreement? Yes RY knew that XF likes JM but same goes for XF who also, picked that RY started liking JM where else JM doesn’t have strong feelings for anyone. How can anyone decide that for JM?
There is no probability when it comes to Moon Immortal how can he think that XF and JM are fated? He is a fate fairy of mortal realm not of immortal Realm.
Seriously u r not making any sense, XF who is proud arrogant and self-centred would be drag back? That's too lame.
At this stage RY isn’t aware of Tu Yao plotting however XF is this is the biggest difference. If, XF really wanted to save JM he could have confronted his mother or should have done something useful bcoz in the end Tu Yao is doing all this as she doesn’t like JM. RY who isn’t even aware of this plot keeps an eye on JM on frequent basis and gave her his dragon scale to call him whenever she is in trouble. Moon Immortal already tied XF and JM with his red thread which manipulated JM fate so, even if RY comes up it won’t change the fate JM came with Mortal realm.

XF straight forwardly told RY after having sex with JM who was presently his future sister-in-law, it is adultery bcoz she had already signed the marriage agreement so it was just about a matter of before they officially get married.
Literally its weird XF kissing JM when he knows she doesn’t have social understanding or knowledge regarding diff between Male and Female is fine even XF attempt to have sex with JM under the impression of sister was still fine did XF considered JM's consent?
RY might gamble to injure XF or prison him but killing he will never do that bcoz he never did that to Tu Yao or Tai Wei, if not u can tell that from his reaction when he saw JM stabbing XF from behind. More importantly RY isn’t aware that JM is learning about Internal alchemy or she has some kind of weapon given to her by the Water immortal. See, Phoenix fire is something which can be used by only 2 people one is XF and another one is Tu yao since, Tu yao was imprisoned the only suspect left is XF. XF did had a word with his mom regarding water and wind immortal death bcoz besides him only one person can use it but still he never told JM about that. Further, JM already started doubting on XF even before RY changed her dream colour even without that unless they get the real culprit XF will always be a suspect in JM's eyes though the pill was locked but still XF had 3 yrs to prove but what was he doing ?? all he cared about was JM not marrying RY rather than helping JM find out the real culprit.
Took filial piety quite seriously but what about the time when he kept on arguing with them when it comes to JM but shows his filial piety when it’s about RY what kind of Hypocrisy is that?

Those who commit sin are called Evil but those who are aware of the truth and does nothing to uphold justice or support the right are even worse so, in future if they suffer any injustice do u think they posses the right to grieve over it or complain?
Ignorance isn't a bliss which basically goes for both XF and JM but since they chose it so, they can only blame themselves for it

Sorry for the late reply i was busy with exam prep and Job so couldn't reply earlier, i m really in a tight schedule for a while.
Agreed, it's more like if someone is famous then that person will surely get a role even if the acting isn't good.

Thanks, I started my drama journey with K-dramas and i m also a huge fan of Animes. Same here i love historical dramas too bcoz of costumes and setting which makes it even more interesting.

I keep reading here and there that Nirvana in the Fire is just awesome, Frankly i did tried it initially but that time i was new to C-drama and it was a lot for me so i put it on hold.

I have heard this from lot of people who can speak Chinese well, they have mentioned this to me also that how the sub-tittles are misleading or inaccurate.

It's quite impressing the way you have mentioned and explained it.

I agree that morality isn't written anywhere and constructed by humans hence its bias but i do believe that there is a distinction between right and wrong. I think even if Mortality is constructed by humans there is still few things which exist from the moment we are born like limitations between parents and kids. For me Morality, principles and ethics these all have same purpose i.e so we can live in harmony with other beings in the environment. Do u think that world will be at peace if everyone goes by their own selfish reasons? Just like flesh and blood is real so as the human emotions that’s why we are the biggest predators or knowledgeable species depending upon what we choose.
Recently, I heard a news that in some University in UK almost all girls in primary school are sexually assaulted by their peers or classmates. These girls were of age between 8 to 14 years old that’s why they were not able to complain or scared to tell bcoz they believe that they will be blamed. If there isn’t any proper method or way to define one's action ultimately people will do whatever they want instead of what they should. That's why people talk about retribution, karma etc in order to scare one from committing such heinous crime which in turn will not only save the other person but also themselves. Do u still feel that what happened with these girls cannot be distinguished as right or wrong?

I do know what cannibalism is but i m really not aware of its origin bcoz it’s a very old practice, it might be possible that it started out for a different purpose however with time it was changed into Traditions.
Example there used to be a Ritual called Sati Pratha, it was a very famous ritual for burning a widow alive with her dead husband even if the woman does not wants to and it was followed for many years why? bcoz of stupid lame reasons.
Initially this wasn't a ritual it was basically a Practice which started out for a very different purpose, back in history when Khilji invaded India with his troops they killed many soldiers and used their wife as Sex Slaves so, in order to save themselves women used to commit Juhar i.e burning themselves in the worst case scenario that too with their own consent but with time people changed it and turned it into a Ritual.

For me I believe that there is a distinction between right and wrong but to what extent one wants to draw that line to which directions depends upon person to person. There are things which we learn as a child from our parents, in school and from our surroundings however, when we grow up its all about our choice but choice not necessarily will be right or wrong.
So, doubts do exists while choosing between 2 options when the u are in a tough situation but whatever the option u chose or chose to not do anything will still have it own consequences and the person needs to face it themselves.

Plz don't be bcoz i m in the same boat, i m a very curious person :)

Here is the latest pic of CWN hugging MR (for me its new), its a treat to see

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSR66VYrOz2/

heheh, sorry my fault actually i logged into YT after my exams and saw a pretty guy in the thumbnail that time he was looking exactly like Moran bcoz of smoky eye, don't know what happened without actually thinking i already made a post but after ur comment i realized ohh i made a mistake...

i m also waiting for HYX , BTW i did have a dream once about the air date it was 12/10 (like oct 12) ... don't know about the dream but i want HYX to air ASAP..

Sorry i forgot its Arthur

I know she started to fight back bcoz of her safety but in the process she did realized how wrong she was that's why she wanted to take that chance in order to walk into the right path....
There are people who do not accept their wrongful deeds till end however some do like to repent so, they can free themselves.