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That's a refreshing perspective.

I already explained everything in detail regarding why I found her response too blunt.
And I'm perfectly ok with orchid trying to understand his conflicts and look for befitting solutions. I just didn't like her reactionary approach. It's like she failed to see the conflicts and the history.
Also, moon supreme might have been reluctant to explain all the history & everything to orchid to make her understand the reason why he plans to invade heavenly realm. So he must have fabricated the excuse of "protecting her from bullies in the heavenly realm" to justify his plans. He thought she'd be too stupid & just accept this reason. Unfortunately , dong fang underestimated her loyalty to her friends in heavenly realm & her blind loyalty to shuiyuntian.

And apart from the historical aspects, there's another big reason why Dongfang chooses to initiate attack in heavenly realm. He & orchid shares the heart curse. So far, most of the times, Dongfang gets physically hurt when orchid is physically hurt. So she's a potential easy weapon for the rulers of the heavenly realm. Through her, they can kill or injure Dongfang if required.
So, Dongfang prefers to keep orchid near him & that way he'll be safe. But at the same Dongfang is starting to get attached to orchid & doesn't want to see her pining for her old home. So he thought like an anti-hero & decided that invading the heavenly realm after killing off all potential threats & returning her old home to her this way is the perfect plan.
Orchid hasn't noticed and understood this other main reason yet.

If what you theorize becomes true, Xunfeng is just being logical & practical. He just doesn't want to see xiao lan hua standing in the way of his bro's plans, so maybe he doesn't mind getting rid of her.
Xunfeng is not attached to orchid like the way Dongfang is starting to be.
Dongfang is not cold as Xunfeng for now because of his rapidly recovering love tree, so feels strongly for his past and new found attachments.
Whereas Xunfeng stays the same just thinking about protecting his realm, his family & his tribe.

I never said xiao lan hua can't speak what's on her mind.
Considering the history & the adventures they shared in the episodes so far, the way she reacted was too blunt!
I'm perfectly ok with both main leads wanting to protect their people and realms.
So she should be more open about her feelings regarding Dongfang and use some other approach to prevent him from initiating the attack on heavenly realm. Moreover, she forgets the fact that the heavenly realm invaded some part of the territory ruled over by the dad of moon supreme. So she instead of just making a blunt response to show her resistance to Dongfang's plans, she could also figure out ways to make the heavenly realm hand over the invaded territory back to dongfang. That might make him more receptive to her idea of not initiating an attack on the heavenly realm because he not only got justice but also because he's starting to care about orchid. This both can get what they want.
S o it's perfectly reasonable for the anti-hero to respect his father's wishes & take back the territory invaded by the heavenly realm in the past. And if such a thing happens, he can't expect to stand like a fence & let orchid's friends kill him. That would be downright stupidity.
For a border-line anti-hero like him, he's willing to be flexible enough to spare her friends if they surrender.
Why should he brush his problems & the problems of his tribe under the carpet?
Dongfang is a borderline anti-hero for now. So he won't think about negotiations for now. And I doubt the corrupt, hypocritical heavenly realm rulers is going to heed his peace talks.
In addition, xiao lan hua is becoming more capable & less stupid. She even took the initiative to solve the misunderstandings between Dongfang & his dad by jumping into some whirlpool like thing to visit the realm of the ruin.
So if she can meddle in other matters concerning the moon supreme & find solutions without giving up on Dongfang, she could use the same approach here too.
See whether there are other solutions to not let him initiate the attack on the heavenly realm without giving up on him or their love all of a sudden with that blunt remark. It's like pushing Dongfang into a corner.

For your kind information, you accuse me of not being happy seeing xiao lan hua become all smart & resourceful to protect her friends.
That's just blind accusation. Looks like you made this personal accusation without reading my earlier comments properly.
This is called being immature.

And I have been stating the same thing that you have saying --- orchid figuring out a way to prevent another war. You just repeated the same thing I kept repeating in my previous comments.
The only problem I had was with her blunt response. In my opinion, that happened too soon.

Maybe because Xufeng is starting to care about the safety of his brother & his people more?
Perhaps that could be one reason or maybe he really wants to use the sword to kill Dongfang... it's a mystery.

As as far as I saw in the episodes so far, Dongfang has been trying to understand what's on her mind, what she's thinking etc, even before his emotional tree started to recover at a fast pace. Even if, for argument's sake, his motive to know her thoughts were selfish, a part of him is also tuly curious & concerned about what orchid thinks even though Dongfang hasn't realised that yet.

Moreover, xiao lan hua isn't that stupid, useless, and timid like the way she used to be in shuiyuntian.
Her diverse experiences ( different from the usual routine life she used to live) has made her mind sharper & better developed.
As far as I know, as Dongfang himself said in one episode, she kept meddling in his other things and continues to meddle.
So, what I think is instead of giving a blunt response, she could've just voiced her disapproval differently.
Even Dongfang remains quiet these days in the mortal realm mulling over the differences between him & orchid. He must be trying to figure things out,
And I never said I place my expectations on xiao lan hua alone and expect only her to be ethical and straightforward.
From what I observed in the episodes so far, Dongfang Dongfang has been trying to understand her right from the beginning ( for selfish purposes) and trying to understand her from episode 9 or 10 onwards ( out of care and concern too).
So it is impulsive to conclude Dongfang doesn't understand xiao lan hua or dongfang never did any smart thinking to save them both at the same time carry out his priorities. Ep 13 is an example.
Also, drama version of Dongfang is not evil nor are his actions pure evil like many viewers assume. Compared to Dongfang in the novel, this version of moon supreme is nothing.
He's just being a borderline anti-hero --- not even a proper anti-hero.

As long as the events & the ending play out satisfactorily, I have no complaints.
Also, even though I felt a bit frustrated hearing one or two dialogues in episode 19 & episode 20, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy watching those two episodes. Those two episodes were quite interesting, entertaining.

Dongfang is an anti-hero not a righteous hero at least in the episodes so far & in the novel too. So as a viewer, expecting all his approaches to be perfect and ethical all at once is being unreasonable. How can a person whose self & people suffered for 30,000 yrs be expected to be patient & not take initiative to attack.
Also, does orchid expect Dongfang to stand like a fence & not do anything when her friends try to kill him when he invades the heavenly realm?
He'll surely get killed.

Now that's what can be called totally unrealistic type of thinking.


If xiao lan hua has a problem with that and wants to change Dongfang's attitude, she mustn't go for the blunt "I'll be your enemy approach". That will only make the moon supreme more stubborn to stick to his impulsive devilish ways.

I only have a problem with Xiao Lan Hua's blunt response, "I'll become your enemy" in episode 19 or episode 20.
She could've used other choice of expression & wording after all the adventures they went through together.
Everything else in those episodes are perfect.
Also, I too want to see orchid find out her true nature, and Dongfang carry out his responsibilities but without damaging their relationship. Otherwise how will the plot be unique, interesting, refreshing from the plots of most other xianxia dramas where the main leads torture themselves by forgetting or erasing their mutual love by placing filial piety & patriotism towards their realms & duty towards their people above everything else?
What I think is there should be a possibility where the main leads, orchid and devilish dongfang can focus simultaneously on each other as well their other equally big priorities and reconcile everything satisfactorily. Orchid should realise this (now that she is becoming more mentally developed & not as stupid as before) instead of just sticking to her blunt reactionary response.

Ok, I agree with you there on not tapping on someone's emotions 24/7, especially if orchid isn't comfortable with it.
But what else can one expect from a devilish Dongfang? That's what makes him anti-hero Dongfang & not some righteous
hero .
Still, your point of view is kind of reasonable.

But it's the devil who's always trying to get close to her. He just can't be open about it because he's suspicious of her because of her blind loyalty to shuiyuntian & the people of heavenly realm.

So to complete his mission, he needs to be shrwed, because if he is straightforward, how will he unseal his soldiers?

Him being Straightforward didn't work in the past. When he straightforwadly requested to fix the destiny book for him, she kept delaying , and accidentally fixed it only only for the sake of someone she thought was her first crush. And Dongfang was extremely patient and didn't punish her. This is quite surprising considering the fact that this incident took place before Dongfang's emotional recovery therapy session.


Dongfang doesn't want to waste his time and wants to unseal his soldiers fast. If he is straightforward, orchid won't help him., So he's forced to use underhand methods so that he can get justice for his realm. At least this intention is far nobler compared to the demon king's intention behind reviving the chi di nu zi in the novel.

If he goes all Straightforward again, then that will imply he's not the devilish anti-hero Dongfang but some stupid Dongfang muddled by love.

I agree with the part where you mentioned how orchid says emotions bring people together and make them work together, so emotions are beneficial.

But now orchid is being inconsistent here by hiding her emotions from Dongfang by wearing the heart pin. This will only make the devilish Dongfang more suspicious, more alert and he is also starting to hide things from her.
Actually, in the beginning, he used to take off his jade ring now and then to simply feel her emotions, especially the positive ones, and he even took the initiative to ask her to remove the heart pin and give it to him when they were in the woods.
Now why would a devilish person like him do that? Won't that only add to his headache & emotional issues?

As fas as as I see, from the moment in the woods, orchid is the one holding back, and Dongfang simply mirrors her thinking style because he's a devil after all and just as stubborn like her.

As far as I see, he did take initiative to be more open about sensing each other's emotions in the woods scene. Orchid keeps resisting because in her subconscious, she's fixated on protecting only other kinds of love at the cost of erasing their romantic love ( at least that's what's conveyed in the episodes so far).
But the devil dongfang, though he hasn't realized & confessed his love for orchid, he knows he is reluctant to erase their romantic love to salvage all other kinds of love.
Maybe if she's more open & not hold back, and as she said in an earlier episode , if they work together, perhaps there can be other ways.

But I had to see & hear her blunt statement, "I'll become your enemy." That's too blunt & curt from someone kind and supposedly a bit stupid & naive like her. It's like she's going suddenly out of character despite being with him during his emotional therapy scene.

Dongfang already has an inkling of how his mastery over hellfire will be affected if he starts to feel emotions.
There is one scene in a certain episode where he is really frustrated & voices his concern aloud to Xiao Lan Hua regarding how he can fulfill his responsibilities to his people as a moon supreme leader if his emotional tree is cured? This implies that he needs hellfire as a tool to fight his enemies & to protect himself & his loved and dear ones.
So he orders that he don't want to see her face again because he knows it'll be difficult to resist her plans. He'll be pulled into it.
Again, at the ruined palace underwater, he resists her & tries to take her back because he knowns one half of him craves to be normal & feel emotions whereas the other half of his mind warns him of the dangers if he becomes weak & loses mastery over hellfire.

If Dongfang were not aware of the risks involved with orchid's plans to make him talk to his father, he wouldn't have resisted at first.

Looks like Dongfang was always aware of the relationship between his ability to feel emotions & the mastery over hellfire.
He might be puzzled in the one later episode when he felt cold was because maybe subconsciously (like the demon king in the novel), he feels he is capable of maintaining his mastery over hellfire even if he's starting to feel emotions.
Also, it's difficult to properly analyse the heart curse with absolute clarity.
It seems the heart curse works in special ways. It seems Dongfang can feel the effects of the heart curse sometimes but not some other times. For e.g, when orchid was whipped at shuiyuntian by the heavenly emperor, we are shown how Dongfang becomes aware of this because of the heart curse but the audience is never shown whether Dongfang also received the wounds from all those lashes and whippings that orchid endured. Whereas in some scenes in other episodes, the audience gets to see the cuts & slashed on Dongfang's wrist whenever orchid receives one.


And for those sections of the audience who watch episode 19 & episode 20, and think romantic love shouldn't be given importance, that's downright being silly. It will lead to inconsistencies in the nature of the characters as well the tone of the whole story.
Dongfang is starting to give importance to all kinds of love : paternal, brotherly love + romantic love. He's trying to salvage and sustain all kinds of love at once, whereas orchid , all of a sudden, is trying to salvage only other kinds of love( love for mum like Siming, lover for heavenly creatures + love for heavenly realm) at the cost of erasing the romantic love between her & moon supreme.
Dongfang hasn't done that yet. He's trying to salvage all kinds of love( love for his realm, his people and his romantic love).
Dongfang doesn't think their romantic love should be given up just because he has his responsibilities & needs to care , protect & love others.
If really as some viewers say, the plot as well as Dongfang didn't focus on romantic love, then Dongfang would've forged the special sword that would finish off orchid right there & then & thus got rid of his perpetual headache (emotional dilemmas ) once and for all.
Moreover, he's devilish. It is a suprise he has gone out of character to this extent & took this much risk by asking Shangque to throw the fragments away.
If Dongfang were all patriotic like orchid all of a sudden & obsessed with protecting his identity alone, throwing away the sword fragments is out of the question.
Also, this isn't a palace drama where politics & identity related goals reigns supreme over everything else. If it's going to turn out that way, then there's no fun to watch because this xianxia drama won't stand out from other xianxias , and other wuxia drama where the hero prioritises duty alone above everything else.
Then the title of this drama will also be quite misleading. There should be something about the plot & characters of this drama that makes it stand out compared to the usual dramas with repetitive tropes.

Same here.

Right.

That kind of interpretation is too bleak & defeats the purpose of this romantic Xianxia drama. This is not a palace drama.
Also then the drama title will become too misleading. Where will be the happy ending?
Actually, my aim was not to accuse anyone of anything.

Moon supreme ordered the fragments of the special type of sword to be thrown away. This itself reveals how orchid is really becoming his weakness.
But orchid doesn't know all that he has done for her. Had his people known about this, they'd have frowned in disapproval. His brother is becoming suspicious too.
I just found orchid's response too blunt when she said "I'll become your enemy". Maybe she could've voiced her displeasure or disapproval in some other manner...used some other choice of expression or wording.

It just didn't sit well with me after watching all those previous episodes loaded with sweetness.

Also, orchid is expecting & hoping that Dongfang will somehow let go or transcend his & his tribe's years of suffering just like that.
If she expects that from him, then she should also be ready to transcend the reactionary response and let go of the tit for tat enemy mode. She forgets she's unable to transcend the influence of territorial disputes and politics between the two realms. So won't it be unreasonable to expect Dongfang alone to transcend everything & let go especially after his 30,000 yrs of imprisonment in the enemy land?
That kind of expectation is too one-sided & kind of insensitive. And here's Dongfang unknowingly becoming sensitive towards orchid and endangering his realm by keeping orchid alive, ordering to destroy remaining fragments of the special sword, and also subconsciously treating her as a friend & maybe even loving her.
From what I saw in the episodes so far, his love for her seems deeper although he hasn't realized it so far.
Also Dongfang seems to tolerate everything about orchid more than she tolerates everything about him.

Good line of reasoning.

I never said it was only orchid's job to figure out a way....
As far as I see, Dongfang and orchid's lady friend has been doing all the smart work all along.
And I think Dongfang is turning into a gentler, more reasonable version compared to his past self.
His past self would've have killed orchid's parent -like Siming or orchid's first crush (the second male lead)on the spot without waiting for reasoning or explanation.
I just found it frustrating that she forgot to notice or understand that considering his devilish nature, she can't expect him to simply brush all his sufferings under a carpet all of a sudden. It takes time.

New poster looks good.