Isn't the ML very conservative?I mean the boy is a gold standard for a conservative in every sense.the only ones…
It's something I probably saw on X. About liberal women tired to date liberal men because they suck. So they would like a conservative guy, but how? They aren't attracted by women of low moral value. This kdrama makes that fantasy true... in imagination. 😄
As I complete my rewatching, I started to read article about historical context. It remains many mysteries about why King SukJong took decisions. Of course, by painting deeply the context, the drama offers an interpretation. About how Jang Ok Jung could be less bad than often depicted too. History shows she had harsh opponents, not better than her.
As we can guess, the drama isn't an exact copy-paste of history. I'm largely satisfied about how it's faithfull, but not 100% faithfull and maybe experts will notice and be disappointed a bit. It seems first she wasn't daughter of a slave but a family of officials, was introduced in the palace sooner, but meet the King only after In Hyun become Queen. By the way, Sukjong becomes King much sooner, at age of 14.
Now I can't resume all the faithfull points, it would be a spoiler for your watching. I'll just give an example, very surprising one:
The king asks to see Jang Ok Jung's mother. There is a scene where she arrives at the palace gate in a palanquin. Unexpectedly, an annoying official arrives and orders that she be taken down, as her social class does not allow her to ride in a palanquin. He orders the palanquin to be burnt and the porters to be beaten. The King comes, angry, and orders to destituate the official.
I was thinking quickly it was an outrageous scene, to put tension and dramatism, quite typical of something fictional. I was wrong! And history is even more strange. If was not one official but several ministers of West faction. The King gave them death sentence. Here we see some difference between the drama and history. But the whole Palanquin situation was true, even if it seems too outrageous for me to believe it. Even if in history, Jang's mother wasn't a slave, she was still not of high class enough to ride in a closed palanquin (so people don't see her face) and would have to be in an open palanquin. But most of ladies were doing that anyway, it wasn't a law people respected. So, in history, it was clearly a way to bother Jang family and bring them humiliation. Anyway, the palanquin was a King order, and it was foolish to try a move like that.
Kim Tae Hee is bad at comedy, but wonderful in tragic love stories.It's her most difficult role because the way…
I know during a time, some people said she can't act. She got lot of hate and maybe jalousy. Because an older drama? I watched Nine Tail Fox and it's true her acting is a bit bad here. But everyone acting was too in this drama! Soon after she did "love story in Harvard", what is the best love story I could watch in kdramas. Later, IRIS where she was brillant too. And JOJ is her best. Kim Tae Hee isn't a cute girl, she's a beautiful woman, with intelligence. If you know a bit her life, she has amazing adaptation skills. She learned fast and right acting skills. As you could see by yourself, everything people said was wrong.
Drama isn't perfect but the actors here really nailed. I expected it with Yoo Ah In (Sungkyunkwan Scandal, Six…
Kim Tae Hee is bad at comedy, but wonderful in tragic love stories. It's her most difficult role because the way the character evolve during the drama. I like your pseudo. I also love sageuk!
If I wanted western stuff, I'd watch western series.It's low standard for a kdrama.Anyway, it's fun to read comments,…
I've drop the drama because it forces too much not-funny comedy. Stuff like: on each head shake or each eye blink, you get sound-effects like "wii-wii, plic-plic". Maybe you know what I mean. I'm allergic to this. Then, if it annoys you too, I don't recommend this drama.
I'm rewatching Jang Ok Jung, sure it's not romcom, but great historical tragedy with true historical characters, details and events. And true love story too. I just feel better. I don't like recent romcoms. It happens there is a bed scene in an episode, but it's not explicit, only suggested before. The scene is beautiful, and full of love feeling. Far from the vulgarity of NGNL kind of dramas. Rather the kind of drama that makes your heart beat.
Every western concept are added into it . More body FL , Virgin ML . Polygamy , sex fantasy . Why can't Kdrama…
If I wanted western stuff, I'd watch western series. It's low standard for a kdrama. Anyway, it's fun to read comments, this drama seems to be worst and worst.
FYI a lot of people not continue to watch bcs fl no longer in s2
We see Go Youn Jung during first episode, so it's quite normal she's FL of season 2. Two seasons are different. I liked Jung So Min in first one, but I find Go Youn Jung was better for season 2. At least, I'm in the part of people who was happy with that.
I love the comedy in this drama, sometime black comedy. In ep4, I don't remember well the details, but he need to make contact or seduce Jae In. Scenes are hilarious.
This drama is wonderful. Almost perfect storytelling. With a goosebump of historical destiny. It's high on emotions, conflicts, and great love story.
It's adaptation from a novel, and this additional step helps a lot. Deep motivations and historical context could be used. Instead to just show an evil character, like in previous series or movies, we get a larger picture, about how she's also the toy of political forces. What makes her the protagonist in this story.
The "femme fatale" thematic is used a lot in historical dramas, often fictional characters, and it's like coming back to the root, with real historical events, so surprising that it's not always easy to spare what was real and what was novelised a bit.
It's my 4th watch, and I'm still discovering details I didn't spot before.
It's healthy to find comments like your, because I think this drama is "meh".
You are right, there are lot of good lines, but yes, the script isn't great as generality. I can just repeat myself, but a lot of the good work the writer did was wasted by the director/editor, with the awful sound-effects, and about how to direct actors, making them acting over-the-top in a "funny" really not funny way.
I repeat myself again, but the writer wanted to be uselessly edgy with bad sexy jokes, western series like, when it turned mostly in vulgarity and bad situations, like the ones someone dumb and drunk would yells in a bar, so everybody hear, but it creates just a feeling of shame.
you basically described most Kdrama FL's.but yeah, this FL is disgusting, not because she shagged lots of men…
It's a very private question. I think it's better to not talk about that with a woman. Past is past, and somehow buried, once you meet someone new. When it happens, I think it's quite clear it's not a serious relationship. So, maybe you can get some informations about women in this case. 😉
Never seen any women fighting patriarchy to get into front lines of war, like Ukraine or construction or plumbing…
Each time someone use the word "patriarchy" I find that cringe and an outdated post feminist rant, typical of western decrepititude. Lot of boring dramas were done with that recently. However I still like older dramas with strong female leads climbing with difficulty their path in a hard world dominated by men. Just it was less cliché, and done more seriously about the context. Good storytelling is at stake, and the same thematic can be told brilliantly, or be cheap and boring propaganda.
It remains many mysteries about why King SukJong took decisions. Of course, by painting deeply the context, the drama offers an interpretation. About how Jang Ok Jung could be less bad than often depicted too. History shows she had harsh opponents, not better than her.
As we can guess, the drama isn't an exact copy-paste of history. I'm largely satisfied about how it's faithfull, but not 100% faithfull and maybe experts will notice and be disappointed a bit. It seems first she wasn't daughter of a slave but a family of officials, was introduced in the palace sooner, but meet the King only after In Hyun become Queen. By the way, Sukjong becomes King much sooner, at age of 14.
Now I can't resume all the faithfull points, it would be a spoiler for your watching.
I'll just give an example, very surprising one:
The king asks to see Jang Ok Jung's mother. There is a scene where she arrives at the palace gate in a palanquin. Unexpectedly, an annoying official arrives and orders that she be taken down, as her social class does not allow her to ride in a palanquin. He orders the palanquin to be burnt and the porters to be beaten. The King comes, angry, and orders to destituate the official.
I was thinking quickly it was an outrageous scene, to put tension and dramatism, quite typical of something fictional. I was wrong! And history is even more strange. If was not one official but several ministers of West faction. The King gave them death sentence. Here we see some difference between the drama and history. But the whole Palanquin situation was true, even if it seems too outrageous for me to believe it.
Even if in history, Jang's mother wasn't a slave, she was still not of high class enough to ride in a closed palanquin (so people don't see her face) and would have to be in an open palanquin. But most of ladies were doing that anyway, it wasn't a law people respected. So, in history, it was clearly a way to bother Jang family and bring them humiliation. Anyway, the palanquin was a King order, and it was foolish to try a move like that.
But when I look back in my memory, I think you said the exact right words.
Soon after she did "love story in Harvard", what is the best love story I could watch in kdramas. Later, IRIS where she was brillant too. And JOJ is her best.
Kim Tae Hee isn't a cute girl, she's a beautiful woman, with intelligence. If you know a bit her life, she has amazing adaptation skills. She learned fast and right acting skills. As you could see by yourself, everything people said was wrong.
Or maybe learn some things to avoid.
It's her most difficult role because the way the character evolve during the drama.
I like your pseudo. I also love sageuk!
Stuff like: on each head shake or each eye blink, you get sound-effects like "wii-wii, plic-plic". Maybe you know what I mean. I'm allergic to this. Then, if it annoys you too, I don't recommend this drama.
I'm rewatching Jang Ok Jung, sure it's not romcom, but great historical tragedy with true historical characters, details and events. And true love story too. I just feel better. I don't like recent romcoms. It happens there is a bed scene in an episode, but it's not explicit, only suggested before. The scene is beautiful, and full of love feeling. Far from the vulgarity of NGNL kind of dramas. Rather the kind of drama that makes your heart beat.
Soon, they'll practice scatology. 💩🤪
It's low standard for a kdrama.
Anyway, it's fun to read comments, this drama seems to be worst and worst.
Two seasons are different. I liked Jung So Min in first one, but I find Go Youn Jung was better for season 2. At least, I'm in the part of people who was happy with that.
It's high on emotions, conflicts, and great love story.
It's adaptation from a novel, and this additional step helps a lot. Deep motivations and historical context could be used. Instead to just show an evil character, like in previous series or movies, we get a larger picture, about how she's also the toy of political forces. What makes her the protagonist in this story.
The "femme fatale" thematic is used a lot in historical dramas, often fictional characters, and it's like coming back to the root, with real historical events, so surprising that it's not always easy to spare what was real and what was novelised a bit.
It's my 4th watch, and I'm still discovering details I didn't spot before.
... And now I'm rewatching it for the 4th time.
This drama starts well.
I repeat myself again, but the writer wanted to be uselessly edgy with bad sexy jokes, western series like, when it turned mostly in vulgarity and bad situations, like the ones someone dumb and drunk would yells in a bar, so everybody hear, but it creates just a feeling of shame.