oh my godddddd. a kdrama portraying a polygamous relationship feels like seeing unicorns. I'm conflicted about…
Welcome in a world of mental disorders. I'll be curious to read comments to know if the writer treat the thematic seriously, or if it's just a futile plot-device, as other never-treated thematics of this drama.
Reflection in the lake: so good!! Just in time as a cliffhanger.
Ep4: Princess Hwa Wan push a big dramatic boost unexpectedly. I'll like the character, she's horribly mean and create problems.
Then it's about punishment and prince decision. The plot points lead to decisions to take. Yep, I enjoy the drama.
There isn't a clear picture yet, about a bigger plot. However, Ep4 ending makes me think we could get this soon. At least, a main goal for the Prince.
Ep5: Lady Jo tells how the prince's father was mad. Here I see a missed opportunity. It could be nice to get flashback of the terrible events she tells. Or at least, insert of scary fastflashes.
Ep5 halfway: goals become more precise now, it's about transition of power. Time for the Prince to become King. It seems to be his main goal. But now, looks like the old King is ready to prepare that too. Only, many people oppose that, because his father was mad, and they fear he becomes mad too.
Cliffhanger on an emotional peak rather than a danger. But also well done.
About script quality: Raise the stakes, use obstacles and tension. It happens often, so I just choose one situation as example. SPOILER from episode 3.
Duk Im write 6 books for the king, so he forgives the prince. - Then: Gives the book to princess, so she offers the books to the king and ask forgiveness. - But: the king doesn't want any audience. - So, princess go to see the Queen. - But: the Queen just confirm there is no audience. - Twist: There could be audience, but only for a servant (Duk Im of course). - But: court lady chief says Duk Im to be silent and doesn't ask forgiveness if the King is in bad mood. - Raise stake: a court lady confirms the King is in bad mood. - Twist: she meets the King, he's welcoming and he seems in good mood instead. - So, he offers her to taste his meal first, before to speak about the books. - But: she doesn't find a way to speak about the prince and leaves. Failure. - Twist: the King calls her to wait before to leave. Ask her if she has a wish. - She asks for the prince, but the king turns in bad mood, orders to burn the books. - King speech is coherent and offers a new perspective about what the prince did wrong. - Raise stake: He says Duk Im will be killed for asking prince forgiveness. Now she's in a deep shit. I stop here because it continues.
On episode 3 now. It's good, but not so great than expected. There is a good script, scenes are interesting. It keeps the hooking effect. Some woobly plot-device, giving pretext for reading a book and tiger hunt. This part doesn't stand well, too much contrivance. But I saw this kind of woobly elements in big historicals too. Not a problem.
For now, there isn't a big dramatic question. The drama is somehow in "warm up the engine" mode.
Sadly, I don't like the main actress. To say it politely: total opposite of my ideal type. To be frank: I find her ugly. It will be hard to trust the romance with her. However, I'm ok with her acting.
Additional good point: I see new characters only in episode 3. It seems there will be lot of characters, and in a clever way, the writer introduce them slowly, so we don't suffer an overload. EDIT: I've speak a bit fast. Half of episode 3, it's a bit difficult about that. I just read the list of actors to check who's who. Now, I know who is a princess and who is the Queen!
Weird point: how the court servant in charge to serve the prince never see him until adult age? No more than his conferencer. When they are always in the building next to the library. And suddenly, the drama starts (episode 2), and she cross them non stop. EDIT: that point is explained later. Well done.
Before, the writer did this drama: https://kisskh.at/20806-the-emperor-owner-of-the-mask I enjoyed to watch because of good pace. There was a good SFL and her faithful bodyguard-in-love trope. Lot of dramatic moments but at the end of the day: It was just average.
Awesome dramatic moment and true proof of love by self-sacrifice. I take it but in this case, it needs another plot-twist: FL answers that now she has STD. SHOCK! What means... She lied or more revelations... ML transmited her? what means... He wasn't virgin?... Or he fucked a goat out of frustration? π Wait, can goat transmit STD? Monkey maybe? π€£
I agree with you on the lack of chemistry part but I think Kim Young Dae is alright in this. I just do not like…
Forced romance, forced comedy, forced secondary characters. Everything here taste like the previous disaster from same director: "strong girl namsoon", where the ML was also a carpet. The writer has nothing to say and fills the void with artifices. It reminds me also this other disaster drama: "my demon".
Im absolutely loving this series but KYD's character feels one dimensional. There is no chemistry between him…
There were few good scenes at start when he was answering, but soon, ML became no more than the carpet everybody walk over. He could be used as the FL's menstrual pad in next episode.
read a comment here saying this show is not for conservatives, I've watched 1 ep, and I liked it but does it get…
I'm not sure it has something to do with conservative or not. I think you pointed it out: - It's immature and superficial, and a romance you don't care about, without true feeling. - Comedy is forced, based on annoying sound-effects start to end of every episode, making a clown show in a circus more funny. It was so painful that I've drop the drama at episode 6. - Sex jokes or situations are overused, like it wanted to provoke, but turns out commonly vulgar. - Story lack focus and needs to rely on a lot of ready-to-serve secondary characters for filler scenes. So, you jump from one to the other, creating the feeling of boredom you get in episode 1.
Isn't the ML very conservative?I mean the boy is a gold standard for a conservative in every sense.the only ones…
Is it a man or a sex toy? π Or maybe, it reminds me a french comedy movie: "Didier", it tells the story of a dog whose mind go into a man body. So, of course, it's a good concept for comedy. πΆπ
I know many people don't like love triangle. So, this drama open a great way to end any love triangle in kdramas. Just make everybody sleep and have open relationship with everybody. But I'm worried there would be no more love story.
Isn't the ML very conservative?I mean the boy is a gold standard for a conservative in every sense.the only ones…
It's something I probably saw on X. About liberal women tired to date liberal men because they suck. So they would like a conservative guy, but how? They aren't attracted by women of low moral value. This kdrama makes that fantasy true... in imagination. π
As I complete my rewatching, I started to read article about historical context. It remains many mysteries about why King SukJong took decisions. Of course, by painting deeply the context, the drama offers an interpretation. About how Jang Ok Jung could be less bad than often depicted too. History shows she had harsh opponents, not better than her.
As we can guess, the drama isn't an exact copy-paste of history. I'm largely satisfied about how it's faithfull, but not 100% faithfull and maybe experts will notice and be disappointed a bit. It seems first she wasn't daughter of a slave but a family of officials, was introduced in the palace sooner, but meet the King only after In Hyun become Queen. By the way, Sukjong becomes King much sooner, at age of 14.
Now I can't resume all the faithfull points, it would be a spoiler for your watching. I'll just give an example, very surprising one:
The king asks to see Jang Ok Jung's mother. There is a scene where she arrives at the palace gate in a palanquin. Unexpectedly, an annoying official arrives and orders that she be taken down, as her social class does not allow her to ride in a palanquin. He orders the palanquin to be burnt and the porters to be beaten. The King comes, angry, and orders to destituate the official.
I was thinking quickly it was an outrageous scene, to put tension and dramatism, quite typical of something fictional. I was wrong! And history is even more strange. If was not one official but several ministers of West faction. The King gave them death sentence. Here we see some difference between the drama and history. But the whole Palanquin situation was true, even if it seems too outrageous for me to believe it. Even if in history, Jang's mother wasn't a slave, she was still not of high class enough to ride in a closed palanquin (so people don't see her face) and would have to be in an open palanquin. But most of ladies were doing that anyway, it wasn't a law people respected. So, in history, it was clearly a way to bother Jang family and bring them humiliation. Anyway, the palanquin was a King order, and it was foolish to try a move like that.
Kim Tae Hee is bad at comedy, but wonderful in tragic love stories.It's her most difficult role because the way…
I know during a time, some people said she can't act. She got lot of hate and maybe jalousy. Because an older drama? I watched Nine Tail Fox and it's true her acting is a bit bad here. But everyone acting was too in this drama! Soon after she did "love story in Harvard", what is the best love story I could watch in kdramas. Later, IRIS where she was brillant too. And JOJ is her best. Kim Tae Hee isn't a cute girl, she's a beautiful woman, with intelligence. If you know a bit her life, she has amazing adaptation skills. She learned fast and right acting skills. As you could see by yourself, everything people said was wrong.
I'll be curious to read comments to know if the writer treat the thematic seriously, or if it's just a futile plot-device, as other never-treated thematics of this drama.
Don't feed the troll. π
Just in time as a cliffhanger.
Ep4: Princess Hwa Wan push a big dramatic boost unexpectedly.
I'll like the character, she's horribly mean and create problems.
Then it's about punishment and prince decision.
The plot points lead to decisions to take. Yep, I enjoy the drama.
There isn't a clear picture yet, about a bigger plot.
However, Ep4 ending makes me think we could get this soon.
At least, a main goal for the Prince.
Ep5: Lady Jo tells how the prince's father was mad.
Here I see a missed opportunity.
It could be nice to get flashback of the terrible events she tells.
Or at least, insert of scary fastflashes.
Ep5 halfway: goals become more precise now, it's about transition of power.
Time for the Prince to become King. It seems to be his main goal.
But now, looks like the old King is ready to prepare that too.
Only, many people oppose that, because his father was mad, and they fear he becomes mad too.
Cliffhanger on an emotional peak rather than a danger. But also well done.
It happens often, so I just choose one situation as example.
SPOILER from episode 3.
Duk Im write 6 books for the king, so he forgives the prince.
- Then: Gives the book to princess, so she offers the books to the king and ask forgiveness.
- But: the king doesn't want any audience.
- So, princess go to see the Queen.
- But: the Queen just confirm there is no audience.
- Twist: There could be audience, but only for a servant (Duk Im of course).
- But: court lady chief says Duk Im to be silent and doesn't ask forgiveness if the King is in bad mood.
- Raise stake: a court lady confirms the King is in bad mood.
- Twist: she meets the King, he's welcoming and he seems in good mood instead.
- So, he offers her to taste his meal first, before to speak about the books.
- But: she doesn't find a way to speak about the prince and leaves. Failure.
- Twist: the King calls her to wait before to leave. Ask her if she has a wish.
- She asks for the prince, but the king turns in bad mood, orders to burn the books.
- King speech is coherent and offers a new perspective about what the prince did wrong.
- Raise stake: He says Duk Im will be killed for asking prince forgiveness.
Now she's in a deep shit. I stop here because it continues.
There is a good script, scenes are interesting. It keeps the hooking effect.
Some woobly plot-device, giving pretext for reading a book and tiger hunt.
This part doesn't stand well, too much contrivance.
But I saw this kind of woobly elements in big historicals too. Not a problem.
For now, there isn't a big dramatic question.
The drama is somehow in "warm up the engine" mode.
Sadly, I don't like the main actress.
To say it politely: total opposite of my ideal type.
To be frank: I find her ugly.
It will be hard to trust the romance with her.
However, I'm ok with her acting.
Additional good point: I see new characters only in episode 3. It seems there will be lot of characters, and in a clever way, the writer introduce them slowly, so we don't suffer an overload.
EDIT: I've speak a bit fast. Half of episode 3, it's a bit difficult about that. I just read the list of actors to check who's who. Now, I know who is a princess and who is the Queen!
Weird point: how the court servant in charge to serve the prince never see him until adult age? No more than his conferencer. When they are always in the building next to the library. And suddenly, the drama starts (episode 2), and she cross them non stop.
EDIT: that point is explained later. Well done.
Before, the writer did this drama:
https://kisskh.at/20806-the-emperor-owner-of-the-mask
I enjoyed to watch because of good pace.
There was a good SFL and her faithful bodyguard-in-love trope.
Lot of dramatic moments but at the end of the day: It was just average.
I take it but in this case, it needs another plot-twist:
FL answers that now she has STD. SHOCK! What means... She lied or more revelations... ML transmited her? what means... He wasn't virgin?... Or he fucked a goat out of frustration? π Wait, can goat transmit STD? Monkey maybe? π€£
So, I'll start with this one. Maybe comment a bit here, as episodes go.
EDIT: Just 20 minutes in first episode and already hooked.
Overhype is something on MDL!
- It's immature and superficial, and a romance you don't care about, without true feeling.
- Comedy is forced, based on annoying sound-effects start to end of every episode, making a clown show in a circus more funny. It was so painful that I've drop the drama at episode 6.
- Sex jokes or situations are overused, like it wanted to provoke, but turns out commonly vulgar.
- Story lack focus and needs to rely on a lot of ready-to-serve secondary characters for filler scenes. So, you jump from one to the other, creating the feeling of boredom you get in episode 1.
Or maybe, it reminds me a french comedy movie:
"Didier", it tells the story of a dog whose mind go into a man body.
So, of course, it's a good concept for comedy. πΆπ
So, this drama open a great way to end any love triangle in kdramas.
Just make everybody sleep and have open relationship with everybody.
But I'm worried there would be no more love story.
It remains many mysteries about why King SukJong took decisions. Of course, by painting deeply the context, the drama offers an interpretation. About how Jang Ok Jung could be less bad than often depicted too. History shows she had harsh opponents, not better than her.
As we can guess, the drama isn't an exact copy-paste of history. I'm largely satisfied about how it's faithfull, but not 100% faithfull and maybe experts will notice and be disappointed a bit. It seems first she wasn't daughter of a slave but a family of officials, was introduced in the palace sooner, but meet the King only after In Hyun become Queen. By the way, Sukjong becomes King much sooner, at age of 14.
Now I can't resume all the faithfull points, it would be a spoiler for your watching.
I'll just give an example, very surprising one:
The king asks to see Jang Ok Jung's mother. There is a scene where she arrives at the palace gate in a palanquin. Unexpectedly, an annoying official arrives and orders that she be taken down, as her social class does not allow her to ride in a palanquin. He orders the palanquin to be burnt and the porters to be beaten. The King comes, angry, and orders to destituate the official.
I was thinking quickly it was an outrageous scene, to put tension and dramatism, quite typical of something fictional. I was wrong! And history is even more strange. If was not one official but several ministers of West faction. The King gave them death sentence. Here we see some difference between the drama and history. But the whole Palanquin situation was true, even if it seems too outrageous for me to believe it.
Even if in history, Jang's mother wasn't a slave, she was still not of high class enough to ride in a closed palanquin (so people don't see her face) and would have to be in an open palanquin. But most of ladies were doing that anyway, it wasn't a law people respected. So, in history, it was clearly a way to bother Jang family and bring them humiliation. Anyway, the palanquin was a King order, and it was foolish to try a move like that.
But when I look back in my memory, I think you said the exact right words.
Soon after she did "love story in Harvard", what is the best love story I could watch in kdramas. Later, IRIS where she was brillant too. And JOJ is her best.
Kim Tae Hee isn't a cute girl, she's a beautiful woman, with intelligence. If you know a bit her life, she has amazing adaptation skills. She learned fast and right acting skills. As you could see by yourself, everything people said was wrong.