W two worlds Season 2 sc

Don't trigger me to speak about W or we are here all night long. I hope you have enough beers in the fridge. I should drink a glass of whiskey. 😅

If the drama didn't strike you like "woo! pure genius", then it's maybe not for you. Ofc, I rewatched tons of times, and even could study the screenplay because the writer published it. It's a resource with a value you can't set a price. Maybe I could write western screneplay but for sure couldn't write korean screenplay without that.

But after years writing a season 2, I took distance with W, as if the new story was now the main thing. When you spend thousand of hours in writing, it's now your own, and so much happens after season 1.

FL been unattractive... It's actress Han Hyo Joo... and... yes... I don't find her really beautiful. Ok, she's a great actress, but not my type about beauty. She's still pretty sometimes, depending of angle of the camera. And the romance story wasn't the greatest point of the drama. I mean, if I want a true love story, I watch "Love story in Harvard" with Kim Tae-Hee, focusing mostly on the love story (not a romance, but deep love).

In a kdrama there is a problem of screentime. You need time for every point. And the drama is so much busy with plot-twists and mind-blowing content, that it's a miracle that the romance still stand enough.

You can notice in people comments "why Do-yoon and So-hee secondary characters are not more developped?". It's obvious: screentime. For an high-paced story, the writer needed to focus on main characters and situations. It's written like a movie, not a kdrama. There is only one useless scene in the whole drama, due to scenes deleted from the screenplay, for screentime reasons, because the whole situation made sens in the screenplay, but too long to tell in the drama.

I can't comment more a lot because I don't remember a lot of details. I watched this drama in holidays with many others dramas. My first watch was "it's ok", but other dramas I watched were better.
Then... I had like an argument with the writer. I disliked every drama she did after, and was bitter they were overated... until I watch her last one "the Glory" and it was damn good. I also watched older dramas from her like "On air" and it was probably the best drama about people making drama, speaking about the drama industry. There is a silly screenwriter in the story, and I thought immediatly: "hey, it's her, she put herself in the story! ahah, she's not afraid to tell how silly she's, I love that!". 😂

I can just testify about consequences in a story. We can think that not taking care of consequences is easy writing, but what I think it's not only the wrong way, but also a more difficult one somehow. When you set causes and situations, it becomes a gold mine.

Check that if you have time:
https://nathanbweller.com/creators-of-south-park-storytelling-advice-but-therefore-rule/
The hard way is just to say "what happens next". And it doesn't produce consequences and logic. The easy and right way is to take seriously the situation. It's magic because you can ask: now there are consequences, which ones? Just take care of that, and:
- it's more easy, as the story write itself.
- It's also a bit difficult because now it needs to dig in the situation, takes many decisions and think a lot.

And by the way, as in story structure, you also do reverse time (I do that a lot), I can also start with a future situation and ask "what was needed before to go now". In intense mystery and suspens story, it's needed to use both linear and reverse time during planification.

I'm still very cool with writers and don't blame them too much when they forget something, because ahh, I forget also or it didn't come to my mind I needed to take care of something, there are thousand of things to think about at the same time. Yeah, if you write a bit, you will be really more cool and less angry about a lot of the mess you see in kdramas! 😄

I know it's counter intuitive. You'd think people writing or doing storytelling should be more critical and harsh about the mess we get in many kdramas. But at least for me, the opposite happened. Kdrama is a story with a closure, so it's like a giant 16 hours movie. And doing the structure of something like that is really difficult. And the terrible thing: if you made a mistake during this phase, it will be really hard to change after. I've the luxury to have time to rewrite, but I think professional korean screenwriters are often in a hurry.

In Korea too it's often same places. It's a problem of budget and setting access. About the director: why I said that, because SWNS was a bad drama and the director did the same OTT bad comedy and annoying sound effects. Writing was bad too, with same strategy than NGNL, accumulating secondary characters.

Well, I always check what did writers because I think it's the most important, but I should had checked director too on this one. But most of people are happy with that here. Hey, I'll just quit the thread because I've stopped watching. 😉

It helps me to understand why it's often bad.

Jeong Dae Yun is a great director, and over the time, I could see his talent is always improving.

Koreans are good at rendering and execution, but I'm agree (with exceptions) that they aren't as creative as japaneses. By the way, Koreans copy-paste also their own content. It's why so many kdrama songs are bland or almost the same than the one of another drama.

For anyone who watched the japanese anime Kaiji (a great one!): the bridge situation is a copy-paste of the same scene in Kaiji.

If you focus on nice characters, maybe you could like HP. Characters are well made, it's what the writer can do good. But about everything else, it's a hell of boredom, "tell don't show" and even confusion.
But I think you would be mad at some point about the couple of first season. The writer is known for playing game with audience, at "who guess who will be the couple". This results in fan wars because people ship couples. It's a bit insane.

Then in HP, the writer ships finally the unexpected couple in an anti-climatic way, when everything was set so it shouldn't happen. But in a couple of scenes, suddenly, here we are. I think you would probably have a great crisis of rage. 😂
I'm not particularly focused on this kind of flaw in kdramas, and if I was disturbed by that in this one, it should be of epic proportion for other people.

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but as you speaks about that.
Actress Ha Ji Won is pretty and good at action scenes. So, even when the drama gives her a boyish aspect, it's impossible to trust it. 😄🥰
I'm not sure about the 2FL. Isn't it Kim Sa Rang?
First time she comes in the screen, I was 😍.
Yep really a lot more pretty. She won Miss Korea prize by the way.

Lot of human flaws. I always watch with a stepback without putting too much of myself and my own opinions. So I like dramas with shitty characters, but when there a consequences to their acts, complications, possibly tragedy.

You are right that the FL is miserable to stick to this guy who doesn't care about her. Love and attraction are irrational. And she's as bad as him when she understands that the jalousy strategy could get him. Not fair for the 2nd male lead. Life is sometimes unfair. I don't remember what becomes this character. I vaguely remembers he get a compensation but not sure. There are countless second leads just here to suffer in kdramas, because everyone suffered to see the one you want going with someone else. So, we can root for those characters.

One of my fav dramas is The Penthouse, were almost all the characters are bad. It's the contract the writer makes with the audience: give us twists and shocking scenes, with dark comedy and satire. Create injustice and make us mad when the bad ones triumph, and assassinate them or make them suffer like hell when their time has come. I'm not sure you could like this drama. 😅

I don't have a lot of time and didn't watch many recent dramas. I have also a feeling of "it's less good than before". Maybe people find NGNL good enough because other dramas today are even worst. It's not a good sign however. If someday I want to watch a romcom, I will probably dig into older dramas.

It's a "jerk dude, courageous woman" drama. I liked it, but it's not in my fav.
There were excellent moments:
- The fall. Someone falling is really not something that can make me laugh. But THIS fall!! Woo!
- I like a lot the actress.
- Main actor is also good at being unpleasant.
- Hospital room scene, let's fart together to be confortable. Oh-Shit.
There where other WTF situations, like:
Live a week with the two men to test the good one? Outrageously funny.
My main problem with the drama was it's too long. There were slow and boring scenes on the whole.

About main thematic: although I don't subscribe to it, I found interesting that the last resort the get love was to make the partner jaleous. It's kinda true in the short run: make someone jalous works! But I don't trust it for true love on the long run. Anyway, it's the concept of the drama, I take it as it is as I enjoyed watching it.

Creator of this drama is my all-time favorite screenwriter Song Jae-Jung. It was a shock for me to learn for once, she didn't create the concept, but used something from a manhwa. What?

Then I understood why: somehow, it's the same dynamic of her dramas, two worlds. Just here it's the one of cells. So for sure, she was the best one to do that. At first, she wasn't the writer: a partner who did dramas with her was in charge, as well as a new writer (probably a former assistant of one of the two seasoned writers). But as she was in the project, and because of her awesome creative skills, she started to write it too. I can understand. They were thinking about creating the drama, and in an interview I could read, it's crazy. Instead of coming to a meeting with ideas and talk about that, she cames with a scene written in ten different ways. Unearthly amount of work.

We can feel in the drama the ping-pong communications between the 3 writers, because scenes are highly reworked and twisted. For example:
- Season 1, episode 6, the transparent bathglass situation. It's peak of comedy with a so prepared and structured comical situation. It wasn't in the manwha!
- Season 2, a situation is highly twisted, when the male lead meet the FL parents, and everything goes wrong, with many little situations twisting the main one.
I made note of all the tricks used in the dramas, and the visual inserts, very creative and usefull in the story. Like: a guy you see only as a cardboard effigy because you never really noticed him.

The drama also propose deep content, under the surface, about everyday little psychological mechanisms. And it's hooking hard.
Your vision of the heroine is kinda true. It's a common woman with flaws. It's the bet of the story: propose something hooking with an everyday woman without great accomplishement and everyday woman flaws. I don't take that as something bad, but as something of the story. She maybe a bit unlikeable, but we dig deep in her, and it's the main point.

The manhwa is long and had several male leads having romantic situations with her. So it's quite normal she used two of them already. If there is a season 3, maybe we'll get the final one and a more concrete resolution of the FL grow. I don't know yet if they will do it. It was in the starting block, but I learned recently that Song Jae-Jung write a sci-fi drama with a female lead. Called "Go west", what is an information not know yet and I know it only because I stalk her information on korean website. So for now, I don't know the future of the Yumi Cell saga.
I can just say I liked the dramas, but still a bit less than her previous mind-blowing dramas.

I found that excellent about storytelling, and I liked a lot "lawless layer" by same writer (a kind of spagghetti western in korea). I don't remember well the points you mention about a rapist past of the ML, and I'd need to rewatch to make sens of it. This drama has a bad point however: the last episode is so bad. It's like a resolution after tension, without anything engaging.

I watched several episodes and even while the pace is slow, I found that good. Alas, I dropped, I couldn't stand the strech image during flashbacks. The pink filter everywhere also started to break my nerves. It's a nice effect but... used all along the drama?! Tss tss tss.
Without that, it probably deserves a 8.5.

You hit really hard on the drama. Even without that ugly point, I'm determined to never watch that because I suffered like hell while watching "Hospital Playlist" by same writer. It was almost a list of points of "what you should never do in a screenplay", so I took notes, and even used it to fix some scenes I made with a potential problem that could be similar to the bad narration of HP.

Good line here. Thanks. 😉

I like time travel stories, but I never watched this one. Everybody says it's a mess. I guess I'll need to try by myself, even if I'm disappointed. As it's one of my fav genre, I can make the effort. I couldn't read your whole review, because I need to avoid spoilers.

I can't really judge this drama about thematic of "strong woman" or "girl power".

It was a time when many dramas were made with the dynamic of "the guy is a jerk", "the woman is courageous and work hard". And more, by the most famous kdrama writer Kim Eun Suk, known to be somehow outrageous or proposing stunning lines out of the box. It's a writer I can both love or hate, depending of her dramas, often in different styles. I can't buy it when she's too cheesy, and she's sometimes a queen of cheese.
I didn't remember the male character didn't change. As a generality, male jerks change. Let's remember a classic with huge rating "Shining Inheritance". Male character change. And in a story, most of the time, characters change, it's what makes the story. So, I find that a bit sad.

I didn't rewatched fully the drama. It's an important point of Kim Eun Suk carrer, when she gave a scandalous interview, saying she wasn't here to do art, and wanted to propose a light story to please maximum of audience. Then, she did "secret garden" to apply her new philosophy. Hug! I was a bit angry to read the interview, but ok, I get her point: productors want success and good rating, and she did it!

I rewatched first episodes, and it was really better than what was in my memory. While the high-concept isn't even into action (the body switch happens when? Episode 4 or 5?), the comedy was already harsh and funny, with the so stupid jerk character and his lines. His stupid clothes (of high price), and the dialogue scene in the hospital (Episode 1?). Here I'd need to rewatch the whole, but it's not a drama I would give a 2/10, probably a 6 or 7. I can't know, I'd need to rewatch all.

This one: I've drop the drama. It wasn't good or bad, just I felt some boredom. Some scenes were funny, but I couldn't stick to the whole. Even when I really like main actress and Park Hae Jin, he was so awesome in "And from now on showtime". About Park Sung Woong, it's like a curse. I find him good actor and he as a FACE ! Damn scary face. But in a weird way, I noticed every drama he did was a bit floopy to my taste. Bad luck.
As I didn't completed the drama and had this feeling of "I don't need to watch more", I'm willing to trust your conclusion.