Excited for this because I liked Lee Joon Hyuk in Stranger and 365 Repeat of the Year. On a totally unrelated note, (I'm gonna sound very dumb and immature but lol) whenever I read the title 'Dark Hole' my immediate thought is butthole.
This drama tried to be a lot of things and ended up failing miserably. On the last episode I had the sense that…
I agree. Since Lee Min Ho will play a somewhat dispicable/ scummy character in the adaptation of my favourote book Pachinko, I'm curious to see how he will interpret/ potray the role.
Chaerok's father plot line is the only plot line that I dislike completely in this drama. He was clearly abusive…
Yes I completely agree! You worded it perfectly there. It was indeed frustrating when the father's abusive nature was brushed off as 'simply wanting the best for Hobeom' when that is literally the number one manipulative strategy abusers use. That entire scene from episode ten was a bright red flag. As you said, rather than taking accountability, the abusive coach blamed it on Hobeom instead by stating 'it was for his own good'. It's a classic abusive father/ person in power situation.
I genuinely like this drama for the heartwarming messages its trying to spread. But yeah, I do feel iffy about the writer's stance on abusive relationships. They could've handled it much better. And yeah, very unethical of his friend to help a man convicted of child abuse to work in a school again.
True, I agree with your last point too. I don't think the father desrves a second chance with Chaerok. It would be more logical and understandable for Chaerok to cut him out of his life completely.
I just watched episode 1, and feel like to enter a nightmare.
Lol i may be biased but i thought daniel dae kim did a good job of adapting the good doctor. Plus i absolutely adored freddie highmores potrayal of shaun. To each of their own though i guess
Am I missing something? I get that Chae Rok's father wanted his team to be better, but why would you beat up your students when you know it is very illegal and wrong? He reasons his violence was due to 'wanting the best for the team' (even though its an obviouly counterproductive method). But it seems far fetched. I can't wrap my head around why a high school coach is desperate enough to use such means. On high school students.
I don't think this has been mentioned enough but huge props to the music director. The music was so fitting, to the point I could feel the emotions along with the scenes. I especially loved the choice of 'The Night' by Choi Baek Ho playing whenever an ominous scene occured. The song was rather nostalgic, instead of an eerie tune, which made the tragic scenes even more memorable and impactful. I kept getting goosebumps whenever the track played.
Hands down my all time favourite drama. I originally thought Flower of Evil would sweep the awards at the 57th Baeksang's but after watching this, my bets are Beyond Evil.
This is not a binge worthy drama imo, but at the same time I think it would be better to watch a whole episode…
I absolutely agree. I genuinely would watch the whole episode if i had time for it. But lol i can only focus if i do 60 minutes of work then 20 minute break. Any more than 60 min study sessions, i burn out. Any more than 20 min breaks, i lose my motivation to study. Oh well, I genuinely wish i was one of those people that can do 8 hours straight with no breaks and have tons of free time before bed :'''''''')
This drama is great and all... but because its a slow burn + I watch this in between my study breaks (using the pomodoro technique so usually my breaks are 20 minutes) I legit cover nothing in the story and it makes me have the urge of watching the whole episode in one sitting instead.
Lol I would use one of those video speed up tools, but I've tried it before and it ruins the tension
I didn't find it homophobic at all. I thought Han Yang had some complexity to his character and it was his addiction…
"Are you saying that because some people who may be triggered by seeing a gay man threatened..." I was not referring to the LGBT+ group in the audience but rather Han Yang's perspective. He was threatened due to his identity. It may be triggering for him due to his experiences as a marginalized group. My perspective of this is that intentions do not justify actions. People may not have had bad intentions, but that doesn't always justify the means/ consequences. To place this into another scenario (again apologies if this does not make sense, I am rushing); say a non-black person were to blurt out the n slur while singing the lyrics in the song, but they didn't have racist intentions, it is still ignorant and racist. This 'intentions do not justify actions' can also be applied to this scenario. *If* your argument was true and that Captain Yoo had only felt annoyance towards Han Yang (had absolutely no homophobic intentions), him saying 'if someone I was friends with was gay I would beat them up" would still be homophobic (even if he didn't have bad intentions). Because, rather than making an individual comment about Han Yang, he expressed a general comment that discriminates homosexual individuals.
"So Han Yang gets a free pass to do anything he likes because he's gay whether or not what he does is related to his sexuality at all?" I did not say that. Han Yang didn't do anything to Captain Yoo in the first place to warrant a free pass to 'do anything he wants'. Sure, he might have been a handful or annoying to deal with, but that is not on the same level as Captian Yoo's comment on his view on homosexuality.
I didn't find it homophobic at all. I thought Han Yang had some complexity to his character and it was his addiction…
I appreciate you reading through to what I had to say and sending a reply. If you have the time to listen, here are my takes on your opinion. Currently on lunch break so apologies if my writing is rushed or if its jumbled. I will send this in shorter chunks.
"I think the problem is that a lot of people want representation from marginalised groups, but don't want the characters to be portrayed in a negative light." I don't quite understand this... Please do correct me if I misunderstood your point because I'm not sure if this is indeed what you're saying, but here's my stance. Marginalised individuals have a history of being portrayed negatively in pop culture; for example, gay people are portrayed as predatory/ child molesters or drug abusers. Yes, although the minority of individuals can be the mentioned portrayals, to repeatedly push the narrative of the negative stereotypes of LGBT+ in pop culture can aggravate the harmful treatment of LGBT+ in society. Thus, it is much preferable if LGBT+ are not portrayed negatively for once. I recently came across a good theses from the University of Tennessee about how LGBT+ are often portrayed in the media and their effects. I recommend skimming through it if you want a further idea of this argument. I will link it here.
Am I the only one who finds the romance kind of disgusting? I don't even mind the age difference that much but…
Yes, I found it a little unsettling too. The dilemna in this situation is that Je Hyuk was in a position of power, even if it was for a short period of time. When they first met, he was much much older than Jiho and also held a (sort of) guardian-like figure during an early stage of Ji Ho's life. The idea of Je Hyuk pursueing an intimate relationship with Ji Ho can come off as a little predatory. Though as it is fiction, and the characters didn't seem show any alarming red flags in their relationship, it didn't bother me too much. But I do agree that if this happened in real life, it might not be as pleasant as boundaries or lines could be blurred when you're dating someone you once looked after.
I didn't find it homophobic at all. I thought Han Yang had some complexity to his character and it was his addiction…
You don't realise how hurtful Captain Yoo's words can be to some LGBT+ people. Even if you didn't find it homophobic. it doesn't mean everyone else felt the same, including those who are not cishet. Captain Yoo is homophobic, no matter what he felt about Han Yang. Even if he simply found Han Yang annoying, that does not give him a free pass to make threats at a marginalized individual where they are vulnerable to violence. It's the fact that LGBT+ have a long history of violence, oppression and being killed, that makes it very hurtful/ traumatising to hear threats of being beat up. Imagine a world where revealing your identity made you a target for violence. You fear for your life whenever you walk out in the streets. Then say, your brother or your friend found out your sexuality/ whatever marginalized group you are a part of, and threatens to beat you up for said idenity. It's traumatic/ triggering to hear.
As a hardcore Shin Hye Sun stan, my heart leapt out when I saw this. I cannot wait to see more of her works! Even if she doesn't take this offer, I hope she appears in something good soon. Ugh, what a goddess
So kim seo jin developed the drug that the control bureau used... I don't think that would be in her skillset though, since shes specialised in psychiatry. If she was a research/ biomedical scientist, it would be more logical.
I genuinely like this drama for the heartwarming messages its trying to spread. But yeah, I do feel iffy about the writer's stance on abusive relationships. They could've handled it much better. And yeah, very unethical of his friend to help a man convicted of child abuse to work in a school again.
True, I agree with your last point too. I don't think the father desrves a second chance with Chaerok. It would be more logical and understandable for Chaerok to cut him out of his life completely.
Is this common in Korean sports perhaps?
Can believe there are only 4 episodes left.
Lol I would use one of those video speed up tools, but I've tried it before and it ruins the tension
I really liked ABC's adaptation of the Good Doctor. Wonder how this will turn out. I think CBS is the channel that the show will be on.
I was not referring to the LGBT+ group in the audience but rather Han Yang's perspective. He was threatened due to his identity. It may be triggering for him due to his experiences as a marginalized group. My perspective of this is that intentions do not justify actions. People may not have had bad intentions, but that doesn't always justify the means/ consequences. To place this into another scenario (again apologies if this does not make sense, I am rushing); say a non-black person were to blurt out the n slur while singing the lyrics in the song, but they didn't have racist intentions, it is still ignorant and racist. This 'intentions do not justify actions' can also be applied to this scenario.
*If* your argument was true and that Captain Yoo had only felt annoyance towards Han Yang (had absolutely no homophobic intentions), him saying 'if someone I was friends with was gay I would beat them up" would still be homophobic (even if he didn't have bad intentions). Because, rather than making an individual comment about Han Yang, he expressed a general comment that discriminates homosexual individuals.
"So Han Yang gets a free pass to do anything he likes because he's gay whether or not what he does is related to his sexuality at all?"
I did not say that. Han Yang didn't do anything to Captain Yoo in the first place to warrant a free pass to 'do anything he wants'. Sure, he might have been a handful or annoying to deal with, but that is not on the same level as Captian Yoo's comment on his view on homosexuality.
"I think the problem is that a lot of people want representation from marginalised groups, but don't want the characters to be portrayed in a negative light."
I don't quite understand this... Please do correct me if I misunderstood your point because I'm not sure if this is indeed what you're saying, but here's my stance. Marginalised individuals have a history of being portrayed negatively in pop culture; for example, gay people are portrayed as predatory/ child molesters or drug abusers. Yes, although the minority of individuals can be the mentioned portrayals, to repeatedly push the narrative of the negative stereotypes of LGBT+ in pop culture can aggravate the harmful treatment of LGBT+ in society. Thus, it is much preferable if LGBT+ are not portrayed negatively for once. I recently came across a good theses from the University of Tennessee about how LGBT+ are often portrayed in the media and their effects. I recommend skimming through it if you want a further idea of this argument. I will link it here.
https://scholar.utc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1133&context=honors-theses
You and I are the ones brotha
I don't think that would be in her skillset though, since shes specialised in psychiatry.
If she was a research/ biomedical scientist, it would be more logical.