Oh My God seeing you after such a long time!!This comment section really feels like a start up reunion...
That it is! It's unfortunate though that I feel the other side of the Start Up ship war seems to have set dock here as well, for the sole reason of antagonizing.
But it is what it is.
I am personally here, as an observer, that is wanting to see this trope done right. But definitely SMA and KSH chemistry is really cute! I'm kind of glad, that they didn't give SMA such a sharp tongue, I'm going to love seeing her soften HDS's tough exterior with her naivety and misguided societal misunderstandings :D
I can't understand the hype of this drama, it's cute but not amazing. Hong Doo Shik's smile is adorable - E2
I think the drama isn't built on mass appeal. Some people are looking for hairpins, plot twist, and an ascending plot tempo. This isn't it. This drama is fueled by the simplicities of province life, which leads to make the simple characters seem much more vibrant in such a staid backdrop.
The most annoying thing is when they come to talk shit about a drama like this in the comment section when it's…
In fairness, this is fairly normal in most dramas, people will judge the breadth of the drama based on the first few episodes. I feel there is enough to keep me engage through the whole run, as I am invested in seeing how the writers will write a believable City Girl falls for Province Guy trope.
But other viewers, may be expecting a drama with more plot twist, more tears, more controversial topics, which I don't think this drama has a lot of.
Man I don’t understand why people don’t like healing drama and healthy relationships I guess people like watching…
I think rather, a drama that has a toxic relationship is more controversial and thus will have more viewers divided. Some people just want drama in their dramas lol!
Just finished watching the first episode, and I am liking it so far, it's definitely a more slow burning plot, which may seem slow to some.
Often times, I feel that when this trope of City Girl visits Province is shown, it's normally done so in Movie format, which really limits the amount of character development that the movie can do to convince the viewers that the City Girl fell for the Province guy and town. I'm a bit intrigued at seeing this concept expounded in a 16+ hour format. I feel, logically that this mean we will see more interesting and believable character development, where are the end of the run, not only will YHJ be convinced that this is the life for her, but so will we, the viewers.
I have to comment, the chemistry of these two so far is very cute. And I find it interesting that other than differing personalities, I feel that YHJ and HDS have varying beliefs of how to act within society.
YHJ is so concerned with how people view her, her status, and etc.. We see samples of this in the opening scene where she speeds up to outrun some students, and her infatuation with brands and status. Personally for me, in my experience, this is really just the result of living in the city, especially Seoul, where these things are at the forefront.
Contrast this with HDS, who really just does not care what people may think of him, nor does he care about his look. He is free from societal pressures.
Also, one thing of note is that you will notice, there are not a lot of young people (20-30's) in this community. It's either old or young. Which leads me to believe just like in real life, most people YHJ and HDS age, would have moved to the big city for better career, or better enjoyment. Which is sad as these communities start to age with no one to really help them.
I will be there for both Mr. Hong and Snowdrop hopefully :)))
It may be another one of those "This comment section is more fun than the drama situations". We will see.
As much as it would be nice for him to wait for a quality plot, he has to hit the pan while it's hot, otherwise he may be lost in the sea of Kdramas out there.
Nice explanation. HJP reminds me a lot to Warren Buffet. The man invested steadily and managed to become one of…
It's a difference of opinion really. Back in the older times, it was literally do or die, there was not very much financial safety nets, there were less life saving medicines, and there was more rigid family structures. The younger generation enjoys a lot of freedoms and convenience pioneered by the older generation. And it's just a continuous cycle with the younger generation and the much younger generation. There's always going to be a difference of opinion between generations.
The thing is, the older generation believes that success is gained from hard work, from blood and sweat, from being conservative and etc.. The younger people believe in chasing dreams, making money from odd jobs, and eventually when their older, figuring it out. But the thing is, when you don't have a safety net, or parents willing to support you, the older way is better. But when your young, your parents pay for your college, give you a place to live until your in your 30's, you have the freedom and space to do whatever you want to reach success. This can involve doing odd jobs until you find something you like, it can mean taking a gap year for mental health, and it can involve taking risky gambles knowing someone will bail you out. These crutches allow the younger generation to eventually succeed in a more unorthodox way. Take out the safety net, and yes, most younger generation will definitely fail. Similarly take out HJP, and NDS will surely not be successful.
I believe the goal of Start Up was to encourage people to get into the tech Start Up of Korea. And what better way to do this than to show how easy it is to do? It oversimplifies the method, and focuses more on the rewards. Similar to being a chef in a restaurant, cooking shows simply shows you the glamorous side of the culinary world, without showing you the poor work conditions that goes along with it. That's TV for you. Which is why I never understood some people were claiming the show as super accurate.
I think what Start Up has thought me is that it's people like you and me who will eventually ensure the positive development of humanity. For people like NDS to survive, they need people to do the adult thing.
What I mean to say is that we need to be adults, do the right thing, be the "Good Boy" in the world, so people like NDS can survive off our hard work. You need 80% of the world to be fairly good people, so that the 20% of the remainder can continue to be idiotic. It's an unfortunate reality of real life.
The life lessons are there if you really look for it. Unfortunately, the good things the shows tries to portray are overshadowed by the bad things that seem out of place in 2021. The show does a great job of showing the harsh realities of real life, but the message becomes diluted and confusing as it inserts too many unrealistic scenarios that makes it's original message muddled and lacking.
Like I've said before in these comment sections, I watched each episode expecting brilliance, but was saddled with clichés and predictability instead, which the show refuses to admit to the audience it does in spades.
It sounds like her other shows/stories does a better job in making the audience think about the morality of situations. This motif is seriously lacking in Start Up.
After Ep. 6 I kind of loss interest as the show ended up becoming more of HS drama than mature rom-com. The feelings of NDS are plain as day to see, as PHR wrote his character fairly one-note. HJP's feelings on the other hand seems to be buried in his complex characterization.
I'm fine thanks for asking!, I've gotten quite busy these days though.
This was my first show after TKEM, and personally, I think it could be much better. The writer missed a lot of opportunities in making this show a better one.
I find the writing past a certain episode quite lacking and a little bit lazy.
30k what a ride Start Up has been, Thank you for all the people who stayed to help us reach this momentous, albeit useless goal :))))
I wanted to write one last long post to commemorate this occasion.
I've always said that your enjoyment of Start Up really has to do with your own life experience, and your own philosophy. Let us for a moment take away the romantic part of Start Up and focus more instead on the issues that Start Up is trying to portray. Keep in mind, I am 100% sure that the writer does not think this deep, or intended her show to be seen this way, as I am convinced that PHR is just not that complex of a writer.
I wanted to first talk about the psychological impact of Birth Order in Asian society. It is often hypothesized and generalized that Birth Order has a strong impact on how children and adults deal with issues and problems. Below are the general ideas on the generalization of the different birth orders. For this assessment, I will be ignoring gender.
Eldest Child
Normally, they have responsibility thrust into them at an early age. And because of this, most are molded by their parents into being responsible people. There is normally immense pressure set upon them by Asian parents as they feel that one of the job of an eldest child is to take care of the younger children. Part of this job includes being a good role model because the younger brother/sister will look up to the elder child and emulate the older sibling. Eldest children, in Asian society, also acts as the barometer that Asian parents will use when comparing their children with other parents.
Due to all these parental pressure, Eldest Children tend to take the least risk out of all the other children, due to how responsibility, filial piety, and "Good Boy" characterization are imprinted onto them at an early age.
Middle Child
You may sometimes hear the term Middle Child Syndrome when describing Middle Child, and simply put, it means that the middle child often does not know their place in the familial hierarchy and at times feel unloved and unsupported. But I would argue, because Middle Children don't get the apathetic nature of a youngest child, nor the extreme rigidness of the eldest child, they tend to be the most well balanced of the three types of birth order. I myself am a middle child, and I do feel that compared to my older and younger siblings, I tend to be the most well rounded in terms of emotions and thinking.
Although the middle child doesn't have the most responsibilities of being the eldest child, if the eldest child fails to meet the parent's expectation, the second child is expected to pick up the filial slack.
Youngest Child
Depending on the size of the family, youngest child tends to have the least amount of responsibility set upon them, and the least amount of expectations of the parents. In fact, there is an argument that because of the lack of rigid structure and strictness from Asian parents, youngest child's tend to be the one with the most freedom to do what they want. They also tend to get away with the most things, because, depending the size of the brood, by the time the parents reach the youngest child, all their strictness and ire have dulled.
Depending on favoritism, and how parents treat their youngest child, a good amount of them become quite spoiled. There is argument that when you have only one child, there is a coin flip. You either get a child that manifest youngest child mentality, or a child that acts like an eldest child.
Now, that I've explained the birth order in a general manner, I would like to imprint this into Start Up. You see, with out four main characters, we see the birth order theory manifest in how they act.
I find that this puts things in perspective, because if we viewed the four leads as part of one family, we see the family dynamic start to shape up. Just like in a real family, WIJ and HJP are the eldest children of the family, and thus there is a sense of responsibility imprinted unto them. They can't just disappear all of a sudden, as there are people who count on them to show up everyday in a professional manner. This point is driven home when HJP is sick, and Manager park comments how HJP never misses work.
In contrast, we see the two younger children SDM and NDS have their heads in the clouds most of the time. Neither of these children wants the responsibility of an elder child. They both are fairly spoiled in the show, and at the same time, especially in NDS case, has the freedom to do whatever they want. They don't have societal pressures on their shoulder, so there is no need to act proper.
Watching Start Up, actually reminds me of this bible story called the "Prodigal Son". Quickly summarized, Prodigal Son is the story of how the youngest child of a man demands his portion of the inheritance, leaves his home, squanders all the money, and begs to be accepted back in the family as a servant. The father then clothes his son, and throws a party for the returning son. The older son then laments and gets jealous, of how he has always done the right thing all his life, and he has never been shown any thing by his father. The birth order theory can be seen in action here. And the feelings of the eldest son in this parable is very similar to why a lot of people love HJP compared to NDS.
If the prodigal son were to happen in real life, most third party critics/viewers would side with the prodigal son, most would agree with the eldest son. And this is the reason HJP has more support compared to NDS.
There's been a constant debate in real life about people in their 30-40's vs people in their 18-24's. The argument here is that people in their 30-40's have had to follow a strict guideline in their life. Meaning, when they are young, parental, and societal pressure has pigeonholed these men and women to follow these guidelines, sometimes strictly.
1. Go to high school, and study hard 2. Go to college 3. Get into good school 4. Study a course that makes money, Business, Computers, and etc.. Doctor/Lawyers are also accepted. 5. Work a few years 6. Find a wife ASAP 7. Have Children ASAP
I want to touch on another point, and his to do with the philosophical difference of people who belong with the e 25-35 generation, versus the ones who belong to the 18-24 generation.
With today's younger people, the guidelines have increasingly dulled. There is no longer a hard and fast guidelines on how your life is to be lived. In fact I've noticed the path younger folks are taking are drastically different now. I often see these type of lax guidelines now.
1. Go to HS, and study 2. Take a gap year, or enter a general course, and then take the time to choose the course you like. 3. Business, computer, lawyer and doctor are no longer a necessity. Also younger generations have the option to take 5-6 years to finish a course if they want. 4. The rush to get married, and have children right away doesn't have societal pressure anymore.
I don't think there is anything wrong with either paths, but you can see where some of the disagreements between these two generations would come. Both generations can experience success, and it will be through different paths.
The younger generation tends to look for quick and easy money, and are also more resistance to risk. There is more YOLO living, and not worrying too much about the future I find. Also, they are more willing to gamble, as these younger adults will most likely have more supportive parents who will catch them when they fall.
The older generation on the other hand tends to be less risky, and is not willing to throw out hard earned money chasing a dream. They are less willing to gamble. And if the older generation is insecure, they may feel jealous at all the freedoms the younger generation enjoy.
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But it is what it is.
I am personally here, as an observer, that is wanting to see this trope done right. But definitely SMA and KSH chemistry is really cute! I'm kind of glad, that they didn't give SMA such a sharp tongue, I'm going to love seeing her soften HDS's tough exterior with her naivety and misguided societal misunderstandings :D
But other viewers, may be expecting a drama with more plot twist, more tears, more controversial topics, which I don't think this drama has a lot of.
Often times, I feel that when this trope of City Girl visits Province is shown, it's normally done so in Movie format, which really limits the amount of character development that the movie can do to convince the viewers that the City Girl fell for the Province guy and town. I'm a bit intrigued at seeing this concept expounded in a 16+ hour format. I feel, logically that this mean we will see more interesting and believable character development, where are the end of the run, not only will YHJ be convinced that this is the life for her, but so will we, the viewers.
I have to comment, the chemistry of these two so far is very cute. And I find it interesting that other than differing personalities, I feel that YHJ and HDS have varying beliefs of how to act within society.
YHJ is so concerned with how people view her, her status, and etc.. We see samples of this in the opening scene where she speeds up to outrun some students, and her infatuation with brands and status. Personally for me, in my experience, this is really just the result of living in the city, especially Seoul, where these things are at the forefront.
Contrast this with HDS, who really just does not care what people may think of him, nor does he care about his look. He is free from societal pressures.
Also, one thing of note is that you will notice, there are not a lot of young people (20-30's) in this community. It's either old or young. Which leads me to believe just like in real life, most people YHJ and HDS age, would have moved to the big city for better career, or better enjoyment. Which is sad as these communities start to age with no one to really help them.
As much as it would be nice for him to wait for a quality plot, he has to hit the pan while it's hot, otherwise he may be lost in the sea of Kdramas out there.
The thing is, the older generation believes that success is gained from hard work, from blood and sweat, from being conservative and etc.. The younger people believe in chasing dreams, making money from odd jobs, and eventually when their older, figuring it out. But the thing is, when you don't have a safety net, or parents willing to support you, the older way is better. But when your young, your parents pay for your college, give you a place to live until your in your 30's, you have the freedom and space to do whatever you want to reach success. This can involve doing odd jobs until you find something you like, it can mean taking a gap year for mental health, and it can involve taking risky gambles knowing someone will bail you out. These crutches allow the younger generation to eventually succeed in a more unorthodox way. Take out the safety net, and yes, most younger generation will definitely fail. Similarly take out HJP, and NDS will surely not be successful.
I believe the goal of Start Up was to encourage people to get into the tech Start Up of Korea. And what better way to do this than to show how easy it is to do? It oversimplifies the method, and focuses more on the rewards. Similar to being a chef in a restaurant, cooking shows simply shows you the glamorous side of the culinary world, without showing you the poor work conditions that goes along with it. That's TV for you. Which is why I never understood some people were claiming the show as super accurate.
I think what Start Up has thought me is that it's people like you and me who will eventually ensure the positive development of humanity. For people like NDS to survive, they need people to do the adult thing.
What I mean to say is that we need to be adults, do the right thing, be the "Good Boy" in the world, so people like NDS can survive off our hard work. You need 80% of the world to be fairly good people, so that the 20% of the remainder can continue to be idiotic. It's an unfortunate reality of real life.
Like I've said before in these comment sections, I watched each episode expecting brilliance, but was saddled with clichés and predictability instead, which the show refuses to admit to the audience it does in spades.
It sounds like her other shows/stories does a better job in making the audience think about the morality of situations. This motif is seriously lacking in Start Up.
After Ep. 6 I kind of loss interest as the show ended up becoming more of HS drama than mature rom-com. The feelings of NDS are plain as day to see, as PHR wrote his character fairly one-note. HJP's feelings on the other hand seems to be buried in his complex characterization.
You may see me next on Snowdrop, unless I become too busy during the live airing.
This was my first show after TKEM, and personally, I think it could be much better. The writer missed a lot of opportunities in making this show a better one.
I find the writing past a certain episode quite lacking and a little bit lazy.
I wanted to write one last long post to commemorate this occasion.
I've always said that your enjoyment of Start Up really has to do with your own life experience, and your own philosophy. Let us for a moment take away the romantic part of Start Up and focus more instead on the issues that Start Up is trying to portray. Keep in mind, I am 100% sure that the writer does not think this deep, or intended her show to be seen this way, as I am convinced that PHR is just not that complex of a writer.
I wanted to first talk about the psychological impact of Birth Order in Asian society. It is often hypothesized and generalized that Birth Order has a strong impact on how children and adults deal with issues and problems. Below are the general ideas on the generalization of the different birth orders. For this assessment, I will be ignoring gender.
Eldest Child
Normally, they have responsibility thrust into them at an early age. And because of this, most are molded by their parents into being responsible people. There is normally immense pressure set upon them by Asian parents as they feel that one of the job of an eldest child is to take care of the younger children. Part of this job includes being a good role model because the younger brother/sister will look up to the elder child and emulate the older sibling. Eldest children, in Asian society, also acts as the barometer that Asian parents will use when comparing their children with other parents.
Due to all these parental pressure, Eldest Children tend to take the least risk out of all the other children, due to how responsibility, filial piety, and "Good Boy" characterization are imprinted onto them at an early age.
Middle Child
You may sometimes hear the term Middle Child Syndrome when describing Middle Child, and simply put, it means that the middle child often does not know their place in the familial hierarchy and at times feel unloved and unsupported. But I would argue, because Middle Children don't get the apathetic nature of a youngest child, nor the extreme rigidness of the eldest child, they tend to be the most well balanced of the three types of birth order. I myself am a middle child, and I do feel that compared to my older and younger siblings, I tend to be the most well rounded in terms of emotions and thinking.
Although the middle child doesn't have the most responsibilities of being the eldest child, if the eldest child fails to meet the parent's expectation, the second child is expected to pick up the filial slack.
Youngest Child
Depending on the size of the family, youngest child tends to have the least amount of responsibility set upon them, and the least amount of expectations of the parents. In fact, there is an argument that because of the lack of rigid structure and strictness from Asian parents, youngest child's tend to be the one with the most freedom to do what they want. They also tend to get away with the most things, because, depending the size of the brood, by the time the parents reach the youngest child, all their strictness and ire have dulled.
Depending on favoritism, and how parents treat their youngest child, a good amount of them become quite spoiled. There is argument that when you have only one child, there is a coin flip. You either get a child that manifest youngest child mentality, or a child that acts like an eldest child.
Now, that I've explained the birth order in a general manner, I would like to imprint this into Start Up. You see, with out four main characters, we see the birth order theory manifest in how they act.
SDM - Youngest Child
HJP - Eldest Child
NDS - Youngest Child
WIJ - Eldest Child
I find that this puts things in perspective, because if we viewed the four leads as part of one family, we see the family dynamic start to shape up. Just like in a real family, WIJ and HJP are the eldest children of the family, and thus there is a sense of responsibility imprinted unto them. They can't just disappear all of a sudden, as there are people who count on them to show up everyday in a professional manner. This point is driven home when HJP is sick, and Manager park comments how HJP never misses work.
In contrast, we see the two younger children SDM and NDS have their heads in the clouds most of the time. Neither of these children wants the responsibility of an elder child. They both are fairly spoiled in the show, and at the same time, especially in NDS case, has the freedom to do whatever they want. They don't have societal pressures on their shoulder, so there is no need to act proper.
Watching Start Up, actually reminds me of this bible story called the "Prodigal Son". Quickly summarized, Prodigal Son is the story of how the youngest child of a man demands his portion of the inheritance, leaves his home, squanders all the money, and begs to be accepted back in the family as a servant. The father then clothes his son, and throws a party for the returning son. The older son then laments and gets jealous, of how he has always done the right thing all his life, and he has never been shown any thing by his father. The birth order theory can be seen in action here. And the feelings of the eldest son in this parable is very similar to why a lot of people love HJP compared to NDS.
If the prodigal son were to happen in real life, most third party critics/viewers would side with the prodigal son, most would agree with the eldest son. And this is the reason HJP has more support compared to NDS.
There's been a constant debate in real life about people in their 30-40's vs people in their 18-24's. The argument here is that people in their 30-40's have had to follow a strict guideline in their life. Meaning, when they are young, parental, and societal pressure has pigeonholed these men and women to follow these guidelines, sometimes strictly.
1. Go to high school, and study hard
2. Go to college
3. Get into good school
4. Study a course that makes money, Business, Computers, and etc.. Doctor/Lawyers are also accepted.
5. Work a few years
6. Find a wife ASAP
7. Have Children ASAP
I want to touch on another point, and his to do with the philosophical difference of people who belong with the e 25-35 generation, versus the ones who belong to the 18-24 generation.
With today's younger people, the guidelines have increasingly dulled. There is no longer a hard and fast guidelines on how your life is to be lived. In fact I've noticed the path younger folks are taking are drastically different now. I often see these type of lax guidelines now.
1. Go to HS, and study
2. Take a gap year, or enter a general course, and then take the time to choose the course you like.
3. Business, computer, lawyer and doctor are no longer a necessity. Also younger generations have the option to take 5-6 years to finish a course if they want.
4. The rush to get married, and have children right away doesn't have societal pressure anymore.
I don't think there is anything wrong with either paths, but you can see where some of the disagreements between these two generations would come. Both generations can experience success, and it will be through different paths.
The younger generation tends to look for quick and easy money, and are also more resistance to risk. There is more YOLO living, and not worrying too much about the future I find. Also, they are more willing to gamble, as these younger adults will most likely have more supportive parents who will catch them when they fall.
The older generation on the other hand tends to be less risky, and is not willing to throw out hard earned money chasing a dream. They are less willing to gamble. And if the older generation is insecure, they may feel jealous at all the freedoms the younger generation enjoy.