I'm fine thanks for asking!, I've gotten quite busy these days though.
This was my first show after TKEM, and personally, I think it could be much better. The writer missed a lot of opportunities in making this show a better one.
I find the writing past a certain episode quite lacking and a little bit lazy.
30k what a ride Start Up has been, Thank you for all the people who stayed to help us reach this momentous, albeit useless goal :))))
I wanted to write one last long post to commemorate this occasion.
I've always said that your enjoyment of Start Up really has to do with your own life experience, and your own philosophy. Let us for a moment take away the romantic part of Start Up and focus more instead on the issues that Start Up is trying to portray. Keep in mind, I am 100% sure that the writer does not think this deep, or intended her show to be seen this way, as I am convinced that PHR is just not that complex of a writer.
I wanted to first talk about the psychological impact of Birth Order in Asian society. It is often hypothesized and generalized that Birth Order has a strong impact on how children and adults deal with issues and problems. Below are the general ideas on the generalization of the different birth orders. For this assessment, I will be ignoring gender.
Eldest Child
Normally, they have responsibility thrust into them at an early age. And because of this, most are molded by their parents into being responsible people. There is normally immense pressure set upon them by Asian parents as they feel that one of the job of an eldest child is to take care of the younger children. Part of this job includes being a good role model because the younger brother/sister will look up to the elder child and emulate the older sibling. Eldest children, in Asian society, also acts as the barometer that Asian parents will use when comparing their children with other parents.
Due to all these parental pressure, Eldest Children tend to take the least risk out of all the other children, due to how responsibility, filial piety, and "Good Boy" characterization are imprinted onto them at an early age.
Middle Child
You may sometimes hear the term Middle Child Syndrome when describing Middle Child, and simply put, it means that the middle child often does not know their place in the familial hierarchy and at times feel unloved and unsupported. But I would argue, because Middle Children don't get the apathetic nature of a youngest child, nor the extreme rigidness of the eldest child, they tend to be the most well balanced of the three types of birth order. I myself am a middle child, and I do feel that compared to my older and younger siblings, I tend to be the most well rounded in terms of emotions and thinking.
Although the middle child doesn't have the most responsibilities of being the eldest child, if the eldest child fails to meet the parent's expectation, the second child is expected to pick up the filial slack.
Youngest Child
Depending on the size of the family, youngest child tends to have the least amount of responsibility set upon them, and the least amount of expectations of the parents. In fact, there is an argument that because of the lack of rigid structure and strictness from Asian parents, youngest child's tend to be the one with the most freedom to do what they want. They also tend to get away with the most things, because, depending the size of the brood, by the time the parents reach the youngest child, all their strictness and ire have dulled.
Depending on favoritism, and how parents treat their youngest child, a good amount of them become quite spoiled. There is argument that when you have only one child, there is a coin flip. You either get a child that manifest youngest child mentality, or a child that acts like an eldest child.
Now, that I've explained the birth order in a general manner, I would like to imprint this into Start Up. You see, with out four main characters, we see the birth order theory manifest in how they act.
I find that this puts things in perspective, because if we viewed the four leads as part of one family, we see the family dynamic start to shape up. Just like in a real family, WIJ and HJP are the eldest children of the family, and thus there is a sense of responsibility imprinted unto them. They can't just disappear all of a sudden, as there are people who count on them to show up everyday in a professional manner. This point is driven home when HJP is sick, and Manager park comments how HJP never misses work.
In contrast, we see the two younger children SDM and NDS have their heads in the clouds most of the time. Neither of these children wants the responsibility of an elder child. They both are fairly spoiled in the show, and at the same time, especially in NDS case, has the freedom to do whatever they want. They don't have societal pressures on their shoulder, so there is no need to act proper.
Watching Start Up, actually reminds me of this bible story called the "Prodigal Son". Quickly summarized, Prodigal Son is the story of how the youngest child of a man demands his portion of the inheritance, leaves his home, squanders all the money, and begs to be accepted back in the family as a servant. The father then clothes his son, and throws a party for the returning son. The older son then laments and gets jealous, of how he has always done the right thing all his life, and he has never been shown any thing by his father. The birth order theory can be seen in action here. And the feelings of the eldest son in this parable is very similar to why a lot of people love HJP compared to NDS.
If the prodigal son were to happen in real life, most third party critics/viewers would side with the prodigal son, most would agree with the eldest son. And this is the reason HJP has more support compared to NDS.
There's been a constant debate in real life about people in their 30-40's vs people in their 18-24's. The argument here is that people in their 30-40's have had to follow a strict guideline in their life. Meaning, when they are young, parental, and societal pressure has pigeonholed these men and women to follow these guidelines, sometimes strictly.
1. Go to high school, and study hard 2. Go to college 3. Get into good school 4. Study a course that makes money, Business, Computers, and etc.. Doctor/Lawyers are also accepted. 5. Work a few years 6. Find a wife ASAP 7. Have Children ASAP
I want to touch on another point, and his to do with the philosophical difference of people who belong with the e 25-35 generation, versus the ones who belong to the 18-24 generation.
With today's younger people, the guidelines have increasingly dulled. There is no longer a hard and fast guidelines on how your life is to be lived. In fact I've noticed the path younger folks are taking are drastically different now. I often see these type of lax guidelines now.
1. Go to HS, and study 2. Take a gap year, or enter a general course, and then take the time to choose the course you like. 3. Business, computer, lawyer and doctor are no longer a necessity. Also younger generations have the option to take 5-6 years to finish a course if they want. 4. The rush to get married, and have children right away doesn't have societal pressure anymore.
I don't think there is anything wrong with either paths, but you can see where some of the disagreements between these two generations would come. Both generations can experience success, and it will be through different paths.
The younger generation tends to look for quick and easy money, and are also more resistance to risk. There is more YOLO living, and not worrying too much about the future I find. Also, they are more willing to gamble, as these younger adults will most likely have more supportive parents who will catch them when they fall.
The older generation on the other hand tends to be less risky, and is not willing to throw out hard earned money chasing a dream. They are less willing to gamble. And if the older generation is insecure, they may feel jealous at all the freedoms the younger generation enjoy.
'I don't trusy friend's taste' lmao.You can watch mr queen to forget this mess.Or if you want to see kimseonho…
In fairness, even if the drama had gone on smoothly, and HJP was the main lead, Start Up was far from the best of 2020, considering all the great shows 2020 had to offer.
I got to episode 11 and had to stop. It's too sad and frustrating. I was recommended this by my friend who loved…
I normally recommend new watchers to watch until ep. 6, and if they get heavy SLS to just stop watching, as the remaining episodes can be quite upsetting.
If you remove HJP from the show, NDS character would not be as annoying. It just so happens viewers had someone like HJP to compare to, so NDS paled in comparison with his weak characterization.
You may see me next on Snowdrop, unless I become too busy during the live airing.
This was my first show after TKEM, and personally, I think it could be much better. The writer missed a lot of opportunities in making this show a better one.
I find the writing past a certain episode quite lacking and a little bit lazy.
I wanted to write one last long post to commemorate this occasion.
I've always said that your enjoyment of Start Up really has to do with your own life experience, and your own philosophy. Let us for a moment take away the romantic part of Start Up and focus more instead on the issues that Start Up is trying to portray. Keep in mind, I am 100% sure that the writer does not think this deep, or intended her show to be seen this way, as I am convinced that PHR is just not that complex of a writer.
I wanted to first talk about the psychological impact of Birth Order in Asian society. It is often hypothesized and generalized that Birth Order has a strong impact on how children and adults deal with issues and problems. Below are the general ideas on the generalization of the different birth orders. For this assessment, I will be ignoring gender.
Eldest Child
Normally, they have responsibility thrust into them at an early age. And because of this, most are molded by their parents into being responsible people. There is normally immense pressure set upon them by Asian parents as they feel that one of the job of an eldest child is to take care of the younger children. Part of this job includes being a good role model because the younger brother/sister will look up to the elder child and emulate the older sibling. Eldest children, in Asian society, also acts as the barometer that Asian parents will use when comparing their children with other parents.
Due to all these parental pressure, Eldest Children tend to take the least risk out of all the other children, due to how responsibility, filial piety, and "Good Boy" characterization are imprinted onto them at an early age.
Middle Child
You may sometimes hear the term Middle Child Syndrome when describing Middle Child, and simply put, it means that the middle child often does not know their place in the familial hierarchy and at times feel unloved and unsupported. But I would argue, because Middle Children don't get the apathetic nature of a youngest child, nor the extreme rigidness of the eldest child, they tend to be the most well balanced of the three types of birth order. I myself am a middle child, and I do feel that compared to my older and younger siblings, I tend to be the most well rounded in terms of emotions and thinking.
Although the middle child doesn't have the most responsibilities of being the eldest child, if the eldest child fails to meet the parent's expectation, the second child is expected to pick up the filial slack.
Youngest Child
Depending on the size of the family, youngest child tends to have the least amount of responsibility set upon them, and the least amount of expectations of the parents. In fact, there is an argument that because of the lack of rigid structure and strictness from Asian parents, youngest child's tend to be the one with the most freedom to do what they want. They also tend to get away with the most things, because, depending the size of the brood, by the time the parents reach the youngest child, all their strictness and ire have dulled.
Depending on favoritism, and how parents treat their youngest child, a good amount of them become quite spoiled. There is argument that when you have only one child, there is a coin flip. You either get a child that manifest youngest child mentality, or a child that acts like an eldest child.
Now, that I've explained the birth order in a general manner, I would like to imprint this into Start Up. You see, with out four main characters, we see the birth order theory manifest in how they act.
SDM - Youngest Child
HJP - Eldest Child
NDS - Youngest Child
WIJ - Eldest Child
I find that this puts things in perspective, because if we viewed the four leads as part of one family, we see the family dynamic start to shape up. Just like in a real family, WIJ and HJP are the eldest children of the family, and thus there is a sense of responsibility imprinted unto them. They can't just disappear all of a sudden, as there are people who count on them to show up everyday in a professional manner. This point is driven home when HJP is sick, and Manager park comments how HJP never misses work.
In contrast, we see the two younger children SDM and NDS have their heads in the clouds most of the time. Neither of these children wants the responsibility of an elder child. They both are fairly spoiled in the show, and at the same time, especially in NDS case, has the freedom to do whatever they want. They don't have societal pressures on their shoulder, so there is no need to act proper.
Watching Start Up, actually reminds me of this bible story called the "Prodigal Son". Quickly summarized, Prodigal Son is the story of how the youngest child of a man demands his portion of the inheritance, leaves his home, squanders all the money, and begs to be accepted back in the family as a servant. The father then clothes his son, and throws a party for the returning son. The older son then laments and gets jealous, of how he has always done the right thing all his life, and he has never been shown any thing by his father. The birth order theory can be seen in action here. And the feelings of the eldest son in this parable is very similar to why a lot of people love HJP compared to NDS.
If the prodigal son were to happen in real life, most third party critics/viewers would side with the prodigal son, most would agree with the eldest son. And this is the reason HJP has more support compared to NDS.
There's been a constant debate in real life about people in their 30-40's vs people in their 18-24's. The argument here is that people in their 30-40's have had to follow a strict guideline in their life. Meaning, when they are young, parental, and societal pressure has pigeonholed these men and women to follow these guidelines, sometimes strictly.
1. Go to high school, and study hard
2. Go to college
3. Get into good school
4. Study a course that makes money, Business, Computers, and etc.. Doctor/Lawyers are also accepted.
5. Work a few years
6. Find a wife ASAP
7. Have Children ASAP
I want to touch on another point, and his to do with the philosophical difference of people who belong with the e 25-35 generation, versus the ones who belong to the 18-24 generation.
With today's younger people, the guidelines have increasingly dulled. There is no longer a hard and fast guidelines on how your life is to be lived. In fact I've noticed the path younger folks are taking are drastically different now. I often see these type of lax guidelines now.
1. Go to HS, and study
2. Take a gap year, or enter a general course, and then take the time to choose the course you like.
3. Business, computer, lawyer and doctor are no longer a necessity. Also younger generations have the option to take 5-6 years to finish a course if they want.
4. The rush to get married, and have children right away doesn't have societal pressure anymore.
I don't think there is anything wrong with either paths, but you can see where some of the disagreements between these two generations would come. Both generations can experience success, and it will be through different paths.
The younger generation tends to look for quick and easy money, and are also more resistance to risk. There is more YOLO living, and not worrying too much about the future I find. Also, they are more willing to gamble, as these younger adults will most likely have more supportive parents who will catch them when they fall.
The older generation on the other hand tends to be less risky, and is not willing to throw out hard earned money chasing a dream. They are less willing to gamble. And if the older generation is insecure, they may feel jealous at all the freedoms the younger generation enjoy.
Oh wait.
If you remove HJP from the show, NDS character would not be as annoying. It just so happens viewers had someone like HJP to compare to, so NDS paled in comparison with his weak characterization.
He is one of the leads, but his arc seems to be central to the story.
How to know she's drunk? She's getting life advice from a fortune teller.
Plus HJP was not there, so little chance NDS will punch SDM I think.