People wonder why is Boon Ok so selfish and greedy?Look no further at the current situation. Almost every single…
Do we know about the history between Boon Ok and Ms. Pi? If I told you it is Ms. Pi's fault Boon Ok's sister died, would it change your views? Why is Old Man's son so angry at him? Old man is so nice? Do we know the reason?
Hye Roung is shown to be nice to Young Ro, even treat her as her BFF, same for Seoul Hee, but when their life is in danger, they were so quick to just ignore that friendship. Only Jeong Min wanted to stay with Young Ro.
So you like Cheong Ya because she admits she's not a good person, but you don't like Boon Ok because she pretends she's not a bad person? We don't like her because she's deluded? While Cheong Ya accepts her faults? So the dislike is based on how delusional a character is? So if Boon Ok was to be self-aware like Cheong Ya, she will be beloved you think?
Gyeok Chan accepts who he is also, should we feel sorry for him also? He never pretends to be anyone else.
Nam Tae il, has been consistent as well, I guess we pity him as well?
Boon Ok is by far my favorite character. I find her the most realistic and complex one. Maybe it's because I enjoy watching shows like Game of Thrones that I enjoy her characterization. She's like that underdog that keeps getting in her own way.
3. i wish they give us more background to them. and i wish kangmoo has a character development, not blindly catching…
The writing has suffered in the second half of the show. The show just has too many episodes, and spent way too much time in the dorm. And for such a long running show, not enough time is spent on character development. A lot of holes have to be filled by viewers imagination.
I don't know Soo Ho is weird, Kang Moo has betrayed them so many times, and yet he keeps trusting him. I think they will be BFF enough for him not to kill Soo Ho.
For Boon Ok apologists:Boon Ok’s background & upbringing was the blueprint of her vile character. She had to…
People wonder why is Boon Ok so selfish and greedy?
Look no further at the current situation. Almost every single character in that dorm right now, has someone who cares for them and wants to save them:
Kang Moo has Hanna Hostages has their parents Young Ro has her dad PLUS Soo Ho wiling to sacrifice their lives to save hers Old man, even has his son who is with him even Cheong Ya has Nam Tae il
Who does Boon Ok have? who is on the TV crying for her? who is her white knight? who wants to see her safe? who gives her the benefit of the doubt? If Boon Ok dies, you may a well as kill her dad as well. No one is coming to save Boon Ok, no one really cares if she is killed. So, exactly what is wrong if she is selfishly trying to survive? She has no plot armor, she has no white knight. Boon Ok only has Boon Ok... And she knows it... I know it....
In life, it's easy to be free, it's easy to judge, it's easy to take risk, when you know there is somebody there to catch you, an anchor to keep you steady, and support to make sure you do not tumble.
When you have no one to catch you, no one to keep you steady, and no one to support you, then maybe Boon ok's characterization will make more sense.
I believe it's unfair to blame Boon Ok's parent's for what she has become? You make it sound like Boon Ok is the biggest antagonist in the show. You portray her a terrorist, when she is in the presence of ACTUAL terrorist, which I feel is unfair. All because she DARES try to harm Young Ro? You know who else was goading her to harm Young Ro? Cheong Ya...
What is your opinion on Cheong Ya then? Hasn't she done worst than Boon Ok? Boon Ok, almost killed Ms. Pi, but Cheong Ya almost killed, literally everybody.
3. i wish they give us more background to them. and i wish kangmoo has a character development, not blindly catching…
They need more plot points to finish 3 more episodes, adding one more double cross will be good for about 30-40 minutes in next episodes, then they will be BFF again.
She's being portrayed as an emotional punching bag, who just laden's herself with guilt every episode. The plot…
This brings up the question, does a romance between a 27 year old man and a 15 year old girl considered consensual and not rape? But the man is not abusive, and is very nice to the girl? Why is this not romanticized? The fact of the matter is, because of Soo Ho's identity as her captor, there is a power imbalance. So the whole relationship from Ep. 1 can already be seen as an unhealthy one, because they are fostering a love where one person in that relationship has the power to dictate what happens to other person.
Let me give you an example from the Drama. Let us look at Soo Ho and Cheong Ya. She has a power imbalance with Soo Ho where she has the upper hand. She is leaving the dorm and getting the 300M, but if she for a second suspects that Soo Ho doesn't love her, she can easily just betray Soo Ho, keep the money, and let them all die out of spite. And that's the problem with Soo Ho and Young Ro's relationship, because of fantastical and blind romance, Young Ro is allowing Soo Ho to be in the abusive power position. Sure if Soo Ho is all sweet, then that is great, but the minute he decides to not be, then Young Ro is in trouble.
A lot of these abusive relationship you read on the news, start great. Then something happens that is not great, then the relationship turns abusive, then domestic violence, and eventually sometimes even death. And when you read those articles, someone pulling a gun on the spouse, even as a joke, is sometimes there.
But I get it, it's a kdrama, it's not meant to be realistic, but I am just pointing out the message the Kdrama is making is not an ideal one. This reminds me of the Kdrama Start Up. Nam Do San was a very manipulative guy who ends up getting the girl in the end. This romance is just the same IMO, in kdrama it works, because it's all fantasy romance, but in the real world, no way this is the foundation of a healthy romance.
That is an objective assumption. You may feel nothing Soo Ho has done is irredeemable, another person may feel that he has done too much to be redeemed, that depends on the viewer, you can't state it as a fact. But personally for me, the way Young Ro is built, even if Eun Chang Su was to get shot by Soo Ho, she would just find some way to rationalize it because of her feelings for Soo Ho.
That's the confusing part, people say, of she's 20 years old, and she's naive. And suddenly she has the maturity and depth to understand all that Soo Ho is doing, without him telling her the specific details?
To me it seems more like a 20 year old girl who has a crush, who will find any rational so that they can be together. It's like the straight A student who has a crush on the bad boy in class, and she can't explain it, but she keeps defending him anyway.
I just want to clarify three major characters. Soo Ho, Young Ro and Boon Ok.
The truth of the matter is, if we compare the situations of the three characters, Young Ro has plot armor, while both Soo Ho and Boon Ok don't have it and are pretty naked.
The thing is, it's really hard to really pity Young Ro's character because when you think about it, in terms of plot line, she has been given the most plot armor. Think about it this way. Literally almost every thing she has done, or everything that has happen in the plot has helped her situation, by making her more tragic, and more sympathetic. None of the scenes has painted her in a poor light, all the paint has been white.
People bring up her wanting to martyr herself. But in reality, she keeps trying to, but it never happens. She has so much plot armor, that none of her reckless acts have any ramifications, in fact her standing actually improves within the dorm. Her dad, although she cares about Young Ro, does want to kill Soo Ho, but Young Ro has kind of saved Soo Ho's life a few times by shielding him with her plot armor. She is literally the only character I don't see dying in the drama.
So it really becomes hard to believe when she acts like a victim. It's like for example, she pulls the comes from a poor family card, that she is just like Boon Ok storyline and etc... But that's not true, because even though she started poor in the first few episodes, she always had the backing of her dad, in fact her dad may end up being the reason she and the hostages will end up leaving alive.
The only tragic thing I can see happening to her is if Soo Ho dies, she loses her crush, which she will forget in her mid 20's anyway. Cause and effect are important aspects of drama watching, because when we see the ML or FL get away constantly with reckless and heroic acts, with ZERO ramifications, we as viewers start to suspect the existence of plot armor, and that became so much clearer when we see the end of EP. 12.
Soo Hoo on the other hand, has no plot armor. If you look at it from an neutral perspective. The more he redeems himself in Young Ro's eyes, the more he betrays his country and his year long ideology. Because he strays from his mission, he actually in essence puts the life of his sister on the line, the life of his team members. Although Soo Ho has a little bit of plot armor (didn't get killed by Gyeok Chan), you can see that his actions actually do have ramifications. We see the inner turmoil within him. We are also constantly reminded that Soo Ho has done crimes, he has killed people, he pulled a gun on Young Ro. So we are not even allowed to full pity Soo Ho. Young Ro on the other hand, literally every plot point is put in place for us to feel even more sorry for her.
His defection, his deviation from his parties ideology has caused him to be a wanted man, that may not be able to escape the dorm alive. The betrayal of his father is far more grieving to Soo Ho than whatever Eun Chang Su or Young Ro's step mom has done. He is literally having everything he has known shatter in front of him. He has lost his identity, he is still finding his way. In a lot of ways, Soo Ho's backstory is far more tragic than Young Ro's and because of how Eun Chang Su is desperately trying to save his daughter, Young Ro will never understand what Soo Ho is going through.
As for Boon Ok, she has less armor than even Soo Ho, the plots pathing has just made her a magnet of dislike. Not only has almost every action by her backfired horribly, regardless of the nobility of her actions she gets punished. Look no further than Ep. 1, after lying for Young Ro, Ms. Pi punishes her. And her selfish decisions are doubly punished, her schemes never work, and backfires, she's quickly caught. She gets no pity from the main cast, she gets no pity from the audience.
At this moment, she could save everyone's live, and people would still dislike her. Let's not even talk about her tragic past, which is really a worse origin story than Young Ro, let's just talk about her current predicament, where she is treated as worst than Nam Tae il. And think about it Cheong Ya, literally press the detonator that could have killed them all if Gyeok Chan didn't remove the wires. Eun Cheol could have died. She has tried to kill Soo Ho once or twice. And yet nobody dislikes her? Why exactly is this? What is it that Boon Ok has done that is somehow worse than what Cheong Ya has done?
People wonder why is Boon Ok so selfish and greedy?
Look no further at the current situation. Almost every single character in that dorm right now, has someone who cares for them and wants to save them:
Kang Moo has Hanna Hostages has their parents Young Ro has her dad PLUS Soo Ho wiling to sacrifice their lives to save hers Old man, even has his son who is with him
Who does Boon Ok have? Nobody, in fact it's quite the opposite, there is someone out there, who wants Boon Ok to save him, her dad. If Boon Ok dies, you may a well as kill her dad as well. No one is coming to save Boon Ok, no one really cares if she is killed. So, exactly what is wrong if she is selfishly trying to survive? She has no plot armor, she has no white knight. Boon Ok only has Boon Ok... And she knows it... I know it....
I kind of didn't understand how Hanna was not able to just give the evidence to the opposition. Clearly one of her first jobs was tracking Professor Han, who is the brain trust of the opposition. So your telling me with all her surveillance, she doesn't know who is in the surveillance, who professor Han meets? Or who he may have given the confession tapes to?
What irks me more, is they literally discussed that the ANSP will most likely have guys in all the TV stations, so instead of finding a PHYSICAL person to talk to and give the tape or finding another solution, they just leave it on the table where anyone can see? And they wrote Top Secret or some type of marker to make it look even more suspicious.
I think Hanna underestimated how incompetent the ANSP is and she got burned for it. Or maybe Kang Moo overestimated Hanna's intelligence?
The opposition was clearly able to find a TV station that was able to show the ANSP having connections to the death of Professor Han. Yet Hanna, who was tailing and surveilling Professor Han wasn't?
She's being portrayed as an emotional punching bag, who just laden's herself with guilt every episode. The plot…
I think you hit the nail on the head, instead of creating a character who questions red flags, Young Ro becomes instead your stereotypical abusive relationship seeker. And the excuse, "But she's a naive 20 year old college girl", doesn't hold much water for me, because these are not subtle red flags, these are gun in your head type of red flags.
But your right, even in real life these type of toxic relationships exist, but why exactly is the writer trying to romanticize it? Why is an abusive relationship being promoted?
But going back to her relationship, the few times she has shown to be angry, hasn't been very convincing IMO, as she quickly just forgives it all when Soo Ho shows him a brief moment of kindness. Which goes back to the argument that her character is one-dimensional. We know at this point, even if Soo Ho had killed her dad, she would still forgive him, she loses depth because just like characters like Nam Tae il, who I am sure you would agree is one dimensional, we know how she will react to certain situations. From this point on, she will never blame Soo Ho for anything that will happen, because she is enthralled by his charisma, no matter how toxic the relationship has become.
I don't find Young Ro's situation and Soo Ho's situation similar. Soo Ho has a lot more complexity because it clashes with years of indoctrination. Young Ro, basically is just a victim/hostage, just like Hye Round, just like Seoul Hee, the only difference is she is in love with her ex-captor.
She's being portrayed as an emotional punching bag, who just laden's herself with guilt every episode. The plot…
There is no way a 20 year old will understand the indoctrination of a spy who has killed men before.
And yes. When someone pills a gun on you, it's VERY easy to lose your love, that wasn't on a great foundation to begin with. If we are talking about realism, lots of relationship have fallen off for lesser reasons. Taken hostage is just kind of a big red flag. But young ro is enamored so she blinds herself.
Young ro reacts to Every single thing by marrying herself. And the tragedies that occur are all plot driven, and young ro just reacts the same way, she never really gets mad at soo ho, they never have the proper conversation. Magic coffee or just such a cop out.
Honestly young ro stroked Me as a girl who had a major crush on a guy, and I'd willing to forgive pretty much whatever the guy had done because she has a major crush on him. In modern times, we would consider that kind of romance s bit unhealthy.
I think our views on young ros character is affected by out views of the emotions being sold on screen.
Where you really felt each and every scene. I felt more in touch with boon Oks scene.
We simply enjoy different characters. And that's ok.
It's all about sympathy.
There is one more time. In the earlier episodes. I have to rewatch to find it.
Cheong ya is scheming to kill.
Even during Cheong Yas kill everyone phase nobody disliked her.
And even before boon ok pulled the trigger ppl disliked her.
I wonder what the reason is.
They totally should! The cliffhangers of 24 are epic!
The jokes were funny once or twice. But she keeps using them, then they stop becoming funny.
I feel sorry for her and hope she gets a decent ending.
I feel she's following a willy Loman type of arc, and she will only get her redemption in the end.
And the weird part is even in 24 hours, there is much more character development than Snowdrop.
24, especially the first few seasons was really well done.
Ms. Pi has also been shown to throw Boon Ok under the bus several times. How can her protector sacrifice her as well?
There were two clear cases of gas lighting as well from ms. Pi to boon ok.
Hye Roung is shown to be nice to Young Ro, even treat her as her BFF, same for Seoul Hee, but when their life is in danger, they were so quick to just ignore that friendship. Only Jeong Min wanted to stay with Young Ro.
So you like Cheong Ya because she admits she's not a good person, but you don't like Boon Ok because she pretends she's not a bad person? We don't like her because she's deluded? While Cheong Ya accepts her faults? So the dislike is based on how delusional a character is? So if Boon Ok was to be self-aware like Cheong Ya, she will be beloved you think?
Gyeok Chan accepts who he is also, should we feel sorry for him also? He never pretends to be anyone else.
Nam Tae il, has been consistent as well, I guess we pity him as well?
Boon Ok is by far my favorite character. I find her the most realistic and complex one. Maybe it's because I enjoy watching shows like Game of Thrones that I enjoy her characterization. She's like that underdog that keeps getting in her own way.
I don't know Soo Ho is weird, Kang Moo has betrayed them so many times, and yet he keeps trusting him. I think they will be BFF enough for him not to kill Soo Ho.
Look no further at the current situation. Almost every single character in that dorm right now, has someone who cares for them and wants to save them:
Kang Moo has Hanna
Hostages has their parents
Young Ro has her dad PLUS Soo Ho wiling to sacrifice their lives to save hers
Old man, even has his son who is with him
even Cheong Ya has Nam Tae il
Who does Boon Ok have? who is on the TV crying for her? who is her white knight? who wants to see her safe? who gives her the benefit of the doubt? If Boon Ok dies, you may a well as kill her dad as well. No one is coming to save Boon Ok, no one really cares if she is killed. So, exactly what is wrong if she is selfishly trying to survive? She has no plot armor, she has no white knight. Boon Ok only has Boon Ok... And she knows it... I know it....
In life, it's easy to be free, it's easy to judge, it's easy to take risk, when you know there is somebody there to catch you, an anchor to keep you steady, and support to make sure you do not tumble.
When you have no one to catch you, no one to keep you steady, and no one to support you, then maybe Boon ok's characterization will make more sense.
I believe it's unfair to blame Boon Ok's parent's for what she has become? You make it sound like Boon Ok is the biggest antagonist in the show. You portray her a terrorist, when she is in the presence of ACTUAL terrorist, which I feel is unfair. All because she DARES try to harm Young Ro? You know who else was goading her to harm Young Ro? Cheong Ya...
What is your opinion on Cheong Ya then? Hasn't she done worst than Boon Ok? Boon Ok, almost killed Ms. Pi, but Cheong Ya almost killed, literally everybody.
Let me give you an example from the Drama. Let us look at Soo Ho and Cheong Ya. She has a power imbalance with Soo Ho where she has the upper hand. She is leaving the dorm and getting the 300M, but if she for a second suspects that Soo Ho doesn't love her, she can easily just betray Soo Ho, keep the money, and let them all die out of spite. And that's the problem with Soo Ho and Young Ro's relationship, because of fantastical and blind romance, Young Ro is allowing Soo Ho to be in the abusive power position. Sure if Soo Ho is all sweet, then that is great, but the minute he decides to not be, then Young Ro is in trouble.
A lot of these abusive relationship you read on the news, start great. Then something happens that is not great, then the relationship turns abusive, then domestic violence, and eventually sometimes even death. And when you read those articles, someone pulling a gun on the spouse, even as a joke, is sometimes there.
But I get it, it's a kdrama, it's not meant to be realistic, but I am just pointing out the message the Kdrama is making is not an ideal one. This reminds me of the Kdrama Start Up. Nam Do San was a very manipulative guy who ends up getting the girl in the end. This romance is just the same IMO, in kdrama it works, because it's all fantasy romance, but in the real world, no way this is the foundation of a healthy romance.
That is an objective assumption. You may feel nothing Soo Ho has done is irredeemable, another person may feel that he has done too much to be redeemed, that depends on the viewer, you can't state it as a fact. But personally for me, the way Young Ro is built, even if Eun Chang Su was to get shot by Soo Ho, she would just find some way to rationalize it because of her feelings for Soo Ho.
That's the confusing part, people say, of she's 20 years old, and she's naive. And suddenly she has the maturity and depth to understand all that Soo Ho is doing, without him telling her the specific details?
To me it seems more like a 20 year old girl who has a crush, who will find any rational so that they can be together. It's like the straight A student who has a crush on the bad boy in class, and she can't explain it, but she keeps defending him anyway.
The truth of the matter is, if we compare the situations of the three characters, Young Ro has plot armor, while both Soo Ho and Boon Ok don't have it and are pretty naked.
The thing is, it's really hard to really pity Young Ro's character because when you think about it, in terms of plot line, she has been given the most plot armor. Think about it this way. Literally almost every thing she has done, or everything that has happen in the plot has helped her situation, by making her more tragic, and more sympathetic. None of the scenes has painted her in a poor light, all the paint has been white.
People bring up her wanting to martyr herself. But in reality, she keeps trying to, but it never happens. She has so much plot armor, that none of her reckless acts have any ramifications, in fact her standing actually improves within the dorm. Her dad, although she cares about Young Ro, does want to kill Soo Ho, but Young Ro has kind of saved Soo Ho's life a few times by shielding him with her plot armor. She is literally the only character I don't see dying in the drama.
So it really becomes hard to believe when she acts like a victim. It's like for example, she pulls the comes from a poor family card, that she is just like Boon Ok storyline and etc... But that's not true, because even though she started poor in the first few episodes, she always had the backing of her dad, in fact her dad may end up being the reason she and the hostages will end up leaving alive.
The only tragic thing I can see happening to her is if Soo Ho dies, she loses her crush, which she will forget in her mid 20's anyway. Cause and effect are important aspects of drama watching, because when we see the ML or FL get away constantly with reckless and heroic acts, with ZERO ramifications, we as viewers start to suspect the existence of plot armor, and that became so much clearer when we see the end of EP. 12.
Soo Hoo on the other hand, has no plot armor. If you look at it from an neutral perspective. The more he redeems himself in Young Ro's eyes, the more he betrays his country and his year long ideology. Because he strays from his mission, he actually in essence puts the life of his sister on the line, the life of his team members. Although Soo Ho has a little bit of plot armor (didn't get killed by Gyeok Chan), you can see that his actions actually do have ramifications. We see the inner turmoil within him. We are also constantly reminded that Soo Ho has done crimes, he has killed people, he pulled a gun on Young Ro. So we are not even allowed to full pity Soo Ho. Young Ro on the other hand, literally every plot point is put in place for us to feel even more sorry for her.
His defection, his deviation from his parties ideology has caused him to be a wanted man, that may not be able to escape the dorm alive. The betrayal of his father is far more grieving to Soo Ho than whatever Eun Chang Su or Young Ro's step mom has done. He is literally having everything he has known shatter in front of him. He has lost his identity, he is still finding his way. In a lot of ways, Soo Ho's backstory is far more tragic than Young Ro's and because of how Eun Chang Su is desperately trying to save his daughter, Young Ro will never understand what Soo Ho is going through.
As for Boon Ok, she has less armor than even Soo Ho, the plots pathing has just made her a magnet of dislike. Not only has almost every action by her backfired horribly, regardless of the nobility of her actions she gets punished. Look no further than Ep. 1, after lying for Young Ro, Ms. Pi punishes her. And her selfish decisions are doubly punished, her schemes never work, and backfires, she's quickly caught. She gets no pity from the main cast, she gets no pity from the audience.
At this moment, she could save everyone's live, and people would still dislike her. Let's not even talk about her tragic past, which is really a worse origin story than Young Ro, let's just talk about her current predicament, where she is treated as worst than Nam Tae il. And think about it Cheong Ya, literally press the detonator that could have killed them all if Gyeok Chan didn't remove the wires. Eun Cheol could have died. She has tried to kill Soo Ho once or twice. And yet nobody dislikes her? Why exactly is this? What is it that Boon Ok has done that is somehow worse than what Cheong Ya has done?
People wonder why is Boon Ok so selfish and greedy?
Look no further at the current situation. Almost every single character in that dorm right now, has someone who cares for them and wants to save them:
Kang Moo has Hanna
Hostages has their parents
Young Ro has her dad PLUS Soo Ho wiling to sacrifice their lives to save hers
Old man, even has his son who is with him
Who does Boon Ok have? Nobody, in fact it's quite the opposite, there is someone out there, who wants Boon Ok to save him, her dad. If Boon Ok dies, you may a well as kill her dad as well. No one is coming to save Boon Ok, no one really cares if she is killed. So, exactly what is wrong if she is selfishly trying to survive? She has no plot armor, she has no white knight. Boon Ok only has Boon Ok... And she knows it... I know it....
What irks me more, is they literally discussed that the ANSP will most likely have guys in all the TV stations, so instead of finding a PHYSICAL person to talk to and give the tape or finding another solution, they just leave it on the table where anyone can see? And they wrote Top Secret or some type of marker to make it look even more suspicious.
I think Hanna underestimated how incompetent the ANSP is and she got burned for it. Or maybe Kang Moo overestimated Hanna's intelligence?
The opposition was clearly able to find a TV station that was able to show the ANSP having connections to the death of Professor Han. Yet Hanna, who was tailing and surveilling Professor Han wasn't?
But your right, even in real life these type of toxic relationships exist, but why exactly is the writer trying to romanticize it? Why is an abusive relationship being promoted?
But going back to her relationship, the few times she has shown to be angry, hasn't been very convincing IMO, as she quickly just forgives it all when Soo Ho shows him a brief moment of kindness. Which goes back to the argument that her character is one-dimensional. We know at this point, even if Soo Ho had killed her dad, she would still forgive him, she loses depth because just like characters like Nam Tae il, who I am sure you would agree is one dimensional, we know how she will react to certain situations. From this point on, she will never blame Soo Ho for anything that will happen, because she is enthralled by his charisma, no matter how toxic the relationship has become.
I don't find Young Ro's situation and Soo Ho's situation similar. Soo Ho has a lot more complexity because it clashes with years of indoctrination. Young Ro, basically is just a victim/hostage, just like Hye Round, just like Seoul Hee, the only difference is she is in love with her ex-captor.
And yes. When someone pills a gun on you, it's VERY easy to lose your love, that wasn't on a great foundation to begin with. If we are talking about realism, lots of relationship have fallen off for lesser reasons. Taken hostage is just kind of a big red flag. But young ro is enamored so she blinds herself.
Young ro reacts to Every single thing by marrying herself. And the tragedies that occur are all plot driven, and young ro just reacts the same way, she never really gets mad at soo ho, they never have the proper conversation. Magic coffee or just such a cop out.
Honestly young ro stroked Me as a girl who had a major crush on a guy, and I'd willing to forgive pretty much whatever the guy had done because she has a major crush on him. In modern times, we would consider that kind of romance s bit unhealthy.
I think our views on young ros character is affected by out views of the emotions being sold on screen.
Where you really felt each and every scene. I felt more in touch with boon Oks scene.
We simply enjoy different characters. And that's ok.