I don't know if I can respect NDS as a ML, he is just so manipulative.
Here are my gripes:
1. He had many many occasions where he could have told the truth, but he chooses not to, not because HJP stops him, but because he himself chooses not to.
2. When HJP wanted to tell the truth, NDS wanted to continue the lie, because he hasn't reached a point where SDM is falling for him yet.
3. It's becomes very obvious that the reason SDM likes NDS is 75% the 15 year fake history, and maybe 25% NDS himself. He know this, and yet he still allows SDM to touch him, kiss him and etc... without an ounce of guilt.
4. He breaks the story of grandma as a way of scoring more brownie points with both SDM and Grandma. He knew after the SDM moment on the roof, the time was ripe, that he was replacing HJP in SDM heart, so he calculated what steps he needed to take to get there.
5. When HJP was in grandma's house, NDS goes out of his way to kick HJP out to not crash into his moment. He is trying to work on getting more relationship points with bot SDM and Grandma, and didn't want HJP there. If i'm in HJP shoes, i'm hurt, because he has a much closer and longer history with both SDM and Grandma.
6. He keeps asking SDM why she likes him, using it to gauge if he has overtaken 15 year fake history with HJP yet or not.
7. He attempts to ignore that the 15 year feelings for fake dosan was not real, and he is rewriting history so to speak.
8. He outright adds new lies to his narrative, and he is very good at the lying part. When you see HJP or even Grandma lie, they can't even look straight in the eye, and they sometimes panic, or make up stuff that doesn't sound convincing. But for NDS it's as easy as breathing.
I'm sure i'm missing more poor form moments from NDS, but these are the ones that really grate on my nerves. Not only is NDS selfish, and manipulative, he is also acting like a huge brat.
who already watch this drama? worth to watch does the rate of mydramalist not too overrated? u have bad premonition…
it's closer to an 8.6 for me, the story is not bad, but a lot of unnecessary scenes. Could have benefited with tighter writing and better pacing. Overall the leads are attractive, and there are some good sad moments sprinkled with funny moments.
I think the writers deliberately introduced the SL first and the ML only towards the end of ep1. They must have…
To be quite frank, the reason HJP has become so popular is because the way HJP is written represents all past ML in other Kdrama, the aloof, cold, not good at opening up, lonely, will probably wait to the last moment to confess his love ML.
And the fans here have seen this type of ML typecast in numerous Kdrama, so we are used to rooting for this type of guy.
While NDS is more of the immature, wears his heart on his sleeve up and comer, who we are not so used to rooting for, since most of the time, this type of persona ends up being in the SL position.
The writer and PD must have discussed the plot and story so many times before casting. I don't understand how…
I think KSH did something evil to the writer and PD to receive this kind of character arc.
Basically the way I see it, HJP does have the childhood connection with both Grandma and SDM.
BUT, as we can see NDS is slowly gaining ground with SDM and Grandma slowly to the point where he is starting to look like the superior guy instead of HJP.
So probably around ep 14 or something, NDS will have done so many romantic things that will completely erase the memory of 15 years, then just like that HJP is out of the picture.
Honestly camping in this comment section has been really entertaining for me. Sometimes it makes me mad, but LOL!…
Other than HJP and Grandma, WIJ is a huge scene stealer for me, I am so disappointed there aren't more scenes with her, she's smart, capable and not insecure, the complete opposite of SDM who is really getting on my nerves with her whining.
HJP finding out about grandma's eyes will be the saddest part of the series, calling it out now.
I am just happy that the lie will come out soon in the next episode. And HJP and SDM can actually fall in love.…
The purpose of triangles has always been to create ships and fandoms. I think they are doing a great job making the race for SDM so tight. If they had made the triangle very one sided, people would find it boring, and thus make the viewing experience less enjoyable.
What they could have done instead is focus on the familial aspect, a popular theme in kdrama still.
People don't really watch Kdrama to glean significant information about a particular industry or topic, Kdrama historically suck at their research as compared to western shows, who hire actual industry consultants to make the shows as accurate as possible.
OKAAAY. let's PRETEND as if those letters were full of lies like NDS stans claimed ㅋㅋㅋ. this time, we are…
I agree with this. Even when all signs point to HJP being a better match.
Promotional material, NJH being a bigger star, articles about Suzy and NJH starring in new drama, promotional material again, writer bias, slow panning shots, romantic music when they are together and etc... all point to NDS and SDM end game.
The letters are fake and they were never HJP heart and feelings. This is why he cannot rely on them to gain the…
Yeah that is why HJP is the big loser here to be honest. He has no out, he's going to martyr himself when all is said and done. And because he is affected so hard by guilt, he may even have to move countries due to his guilt to lying to SDM.
Honestly, I don't think NDS is destined to be with SDM either, like i've said before, it's no fun raising a man child and his buddies. It gets old pretty quick.
I hope everyone doesn't measure the quality of this drama with your dream love lines.
even without the love lines, there are enough problems with the show itself IMO. Inconsistencies in the characters, pacing, not focusing on the stronger points of the show too much, just to name a few.
Just wanted to share a depressing thought for HJP fans.
When the Lie is eventually revealed, there is only one loser... HJP
Let me explain. First, the three players in the lie, Grandma, HJP and NDS.
Grandma - She can lie all she wants, she can even tell SDM that it was her fault her parents divorce, but it won't change the fact that she is family. It won't the fact that she is the one always in SDM corner, so she get's a free pass. SDM no matter how wrong she thinks it was for her grandma to lie to her like that will learn to forgive her quickly.
Verdict: Neutral, not a win, not a loss.
NDS - Of course initially she will be betrayed by NDS, and she will be angry. But when NDS explained he wanted to be upfront with her from the start, and HJP always stopped him. SDM even has evidence of this, when NDS tells HJP in front of SDM, "i'll take your advice about that problem".
He can also talk about how HJP tried to bribe him to perpetuate the lie, how he was about to meet her with the baseball, but HJP interjected, how HJP is the mastermind of all the lying. And he has witness in his two friends who will have NDS back over HJP.
Verdict: Winner, because he can easily paint that he was the victim, he just has to act naive and innocent. Initially SDM will be angry, but later will learn to forgive due to all the benefit she is getting from working with NDS.
HJP - He has no out. He will be seen as the mastermind here. And his only way out of this mess would be to blame Grandma forcing him to lie, and write those letters, but come on, HJP isn't going to throw grandma under the bus. In fact, i'm pretty sure that HJP will just fall on the sword here.
SDM will question why HJP did it, and he may not have a good reason for it. And no matter what excuses HJP came up with, all SDM would have to say is. "You, HJP, who probably knows me best, whose words have kept me sane all these 15 years, you should have known, I would have forgiven you if you told me earlier, but instead you continue to hide and lie, and even get NDS involved in your plans.
Verdict: HJP is the big loser, as not only does he lose the girl, but he gets blamed for the whole thing.
It only shows that the letter was written with HJP 's handwriting. It does not prove that the words were from…
Yes, I am. And I don't get player vibes from HJP.
There was no action that HJP could do, he was and always has been the man in the shadows, words are all he has.
What pray tell could HJP talk about? That he was living rent free at grandmas shop? That he opened an account and is making money investing? That he's actually older than NDS? His non existent childhood? Should he tell SDM he is an orphan? Let's not forget his main goal is still to provide comfort to SDM.
I could tell you a story about myself, but use different names, different places, even change some of the events, but the story would still be thematically about something that happened to me. The letters may very well be, half truths.
I think what people need to understand with the letters and why they are so important to HJP fans is because the letters are all HJP has to be honest...
NDS is in prime position to make SDM fall madly in love with him for the following reasons:
1. NDS has a warm and likeable personality. 2. His two guy friends are wing manning him and shipping NDS and SDM. 3. They are both financially invested in the company they are in. 4. They are spending a lot of time together, working together. Something is bound to happen in such an environment. 5. His company will be the major reason she is able to reach her goal to compete with her sister.
What does HJP have? Not much, he doesn't spend much time with her. He is not so integral to the business success, they could have just gotten Alex and still be fine. He has no one shipping him and SDM. In fact in a very ironic twist of fate, the way that SDM and HJP are communicating at the moment is mostly through text and email, not much different from their letters 15 years ago, but of course most of the talk now is based on business. In fact, if SDM had never chosen HJP as the mentor, he would have no justifiable reason to continue communicating with SDM. Is just being her mentor enough for HJP? I don't think so.
So as you see, the only ties he has left, that shows HJP he has a shot are the letters. And HJP fans know it, that is why these letters are important, as they symbolize the relationship and feelings SDM and HJP share. So call it the last bastion of defence. And HJP hope that those letters are enough to sway SDM's heart.
And let's be honest, HJP wouldn't even think he has a shot if SDM had ex boyfriends. IF SDM had 3-4 ex boyfriends, then HJP would know, his role would be just that, a first love. But the fact that he set the standard so high, that in SDM's mind her bond with HJP was strong enough to survive 15 years. And even when the real NDS pretends to be HJP, it's enough that his name is Nam Do San for SDM to fall for him. Such is the power of their connection. And that gives HJP hope that those letters are more important to SDM than just a tool to alleviate her loneliness 15 years ago.
As i've said before, I can't imagine HJP and SDM being together, as the writer is heavily biased for a NDS and SDM OTP since day 1, and is just cruelly using HJP as a hindrance to their love, which is really mean of the author.
I'm still hoping for a Reply 1998 type ending. But we'll see.
Here are my gripes:
1. He had many many occasions where he could have told the truth, but he chooses not to, not because HJP stops him, but because he himself chooses not to.
2. When HJP wanted to tell the truth, NDS wanted to continue the lie, because he hasn't reached a point where SDM is falling for him yet.
3. It's becomes very obvious that the reason SDM likes NDS is 75% the 15 year fake history, and maybe 25% NDS himself. He know this, and yet he still allows SDM to touch him, kiss him and etc... without an ounce of guilt.
4. He breaks the story of grandma as a way of scoring more brownie points with both SDM and Grandma. He knew after the SDM moment on the roof, the time was ripe, that he was replacing HJP in SDM heart, so he calculated what steps he needed to take to get there.
5. When HJP was in grandma's house, NDS goes out of his way to kick HJP out to not crash into his moment. He is trying to work on getting more relationship points with bot SDM and Grandma, and didn't want HJP there. If i'm in HJP shoes, i'm hurt, because he has a much closer and longer history with both SDM and Grandma.
6. He keeps asking SDM why she likes him, using it to gauge if he has overtaken 15 year fake history with HJP yet or not.
7. He attempts to ignore that the 15 year feelings for fake dosan was not real, and he is rewriting history so to speak.
8. He outright adds new lies to his narrative, and he is very good at the lying part. When you see HJP or even Grandma lie, they can't even look straight in the eye, and they sometimes panic, or make up stuff that doesn't sound convincing. But for NDS it's as easy as breathing.
I'm sure i'm missing more poor form moments from NDS, but these are the ones that really grate on my nerves. Not only is NDS selfish, and manipulative, he is also acting like a huge brat.
And the fans here have seen this type of ML typecast in numerous Kdrama, so we are used to rooting for this type of guy.
While NDS is more of the immature, wears his heart on his sleeve up and comer, who we are not so used to rooting for, since most of the time, this type of persona ends up being in the SL position.
Basically the way I see it, HJP does have the childhood connection with both Grandma and SDM.
BUT, as we can see NDS is slowly gaining ground with SDM and Grandma slowly to the point where he is starting to look like the superior guy instead of HJP.
So probably around ep 14 or something, NDS will have done so many romantic things that will completely erase the memory of 15 years, then just like that HJP is out of the picture.
Such a tragic end for HJP...
HJP finding out about grandma's eyes will be the saddest part of the series, calling it out now.
He is really coming off quite poorly here. HJP is no better by going to NDS level of immaturity.
What they could have done instead is focus on the familial aspect, a popular theme in kdrama still.
People don't really watch Kdrama to glean significant information about a particular industry or topic, Kdrama historically suck at their research as compared to western shows, who hire actual industry consultants to make the shows as accurate as possible.
Promotional material, NJH being a bigger star, articles about Suzy and NJH starring in new drama, promotional material again, writer bias, slow panning shots, romantic music when they are together and etc... all point to NDS and SDM end game.
You don't get rid of the golden goose to early in the show.
They would lose viewers if they made it all about business from ep 9 and up. They still need their love triangle to get people invested.
Honestly, I don't think NDS is destined to be with SDM either, like i've said before, it's no fun raising a man child and his buddies. It gets old pretty quick.
much like HJP, I can certainly talk a lot more and let myself out more in these comment sections due to the anonymity.
In real life i'm quite shy and reserved actually.
Such is the appeal of the internet...
When the Lie is eventually revealed, there is only one loser... HJP
Let me explain. First, the three players in the lie, Grandma, HJP and NDS.
Grandma - She can lie all she wants, she can even tell SDM that it was her fault her parents divorce, but it won't change the fact that she is family. It won't the fact that she is the one always in SDM corner, so she get's a free pass. SDM no matter how wrong she thinks it was for her grandma to lie to her like that will learn to forgive her quickly.
Verdict: Neutral, not a win, not a loss.
NDS - Of course initially she will be betrayed by NDS, and she will be angry. But when NDS explained he wanted to be upfront with her from the start, and HJP always stopped him. SDM even has evidence of this, when NDS tells HJP in front of SDM, "i'll take your advice about that problem".
He can also talk about how HJP tried to bribe him to perpetuate the lie, how he was about to meet her with the baseball, but HJP interjected, how HJP is the mastermind of all the lying. And he has witness in his two friends who will have NDS back over HJP.
Verdict: Winner, because he can easily paint that he was the victim, he just has to act naive and innocent. Initially SDM will be angry, but later will learn to forgive due to all the benefit she is getting from working with NDS.
HJP - He has no out. He will be seen as the mastermind here. And his only way out of this mess would be to blame Grandma forcing him to lie, and write those letters, but come on, HJP isn't going to throw grandma under the bus. In fact, i'm pretty sure that HJP will just fall on the sword here.
SDM will question why HJP did it, and he may not have a good reason for it. And no matter what excuses HJP came up with, all SDM would have to say is. "You, HJP, who probably knows me best, whose words have kept me sane all these 15 years, you should have known, I would have forgiven you if you told me earlier, but instead you continue to hide and lie, and even get NDS involved in your plans.
Verdict: HJP is the big loser, as not only does he lose the girl, but he gets blamed for the whole thing.
There was no action that HJP could do, he was and always has been the man in the shadows, words are all he has.
What pray tell could HJP talk about? That he was living rent free at grandmas shop? That he opened an account and is making money investing? That he's actually older than NDS? His non existent childhood? Should he tell SDM he is an orphan? Let's not forget his main goal is still to provide comfort to SDM.
I could tell you a story about myself, but use different names, different places, even change some of the events, but the story would still be thematically about something that happened to me. The letters may very well be, half truths.
NDS is in prime position to make SDM fall madly in love with him for the following reasons:
1. NDS has a warm and likeable personality.
2. His two guy friends are wing manning him and shipping NDS and SDM.
3. They are both financially invested in the company they are in.
4. They are spending a lot of time together, working together. Something is bound to happen in such an environment.
5. His company will be the major reason she is able to reach her goal to compete with her sister.
What does HJP have? Not much, he doesn't spend much time with her. He is not so integral to the business success, they could have just gotten Alex and still be fine. He has no one shipping him and SDM. In fact in a very ironic twist of fate, the way that SDM and HJP are communicating at the moment is mostly through text and email, not much different from their letters 15 years ago, but of course most of the talk now is based on business. In fact, if SDM had never chosen HJP as the mentor, he would have no justifiable reason to continue communicating with SDM. Is just being her mentor enough for HJP? I don't think so.
So as you see, the only ties he has left, that shows HJP he has a shot are the letters. And HJP fans know it, that is why these letters are important, as they symbolize the relationship and feelings SDM and HJP share. So call it the last bastion of defence. And HJP hope that those letters are enough to sway SDM's heart.
And let's be honest, HJP wouldn't even think he has a shot if SDM had ex boyfriends. IF SDM had 3-4 ex boyfriends, then HJP would know, his role would be just that, a first love. But the fact that he set the standard so high, that in SDM's mind her bond with HJP was strong enough to survive 15 years. And even when the real NDS pretends to be HJP, it's enough that his name is Nam Do San for SDM to fall for him. Such is the power of their connection. And that gives HJP hope that those letters are more important to SDM than just a tool to alleviate her loneliness 15 years ago.
As i've said before, I can't imagine HJP and SDM being together, as the writer is heavily biased for a NDS and SDM OTP since day 1, and is just cruelly using HJP as a hindrance to their love, which is really mean of the author.
I'm still hoping for a Reply 1998 type ending. But we'll see.