Young Ro isn't spoiled and doesn't have a hero complex, she's naive, just as most college students 20 and under…
The line between naive and entitled is quite thin. And especially so for college students, especially when these college students belong to an ivy league school.
The argument I am making is that people who pretend to be superman, and enter each and every argument because they feel they have an obligation due to their privilege. Just like young ro uses her status to help release the other hostages. What seems like a selfless act, can easily be seen as an entitled one as well. Because frankly people, in entitled positions believe their lives, opinion, and actions are worth more than the masses or commoners.
Sending kids to ivy league schools really ensures them better futures. But entering these schools tend to be very difficult, sometimes requiring connections to even be considered. The reward tends to be better connections and better careers. The downside, if your not careful the superiority complex and hero complex start reading its ugly head.
That's the thing. Spoiled doesn't manifest in the same way all the time. We think of spoiled as people who brandish their wealth and status and that's not true. A lot of the older generation would call us millenials spoiled, and yet I work hard at my job and I don't spend much money, and yet because of all the doors I have been allowed to enter, I am spoiled. Does that make sense?
Because young ro doesn't fear reprimands, she constantly puts herself in danger and willingly absorbs blame. This is textbook hero complex.
Boon ok, suffers imo from inferiority complex. Which is exasperated by her low self esteem and harsh background.
Let me give you an example. In most protest it's mostly college kids that are doing there kudetas. But why? Where are the adults? It's because most of the adults can't afford to. Either families to feed or jobs they can't afford to lose. College students you would think are young and have so much to live for, yet they put their lives the most st risk. This is a similar parallel to boon ok and young ro.
Sorry, I can't respond better, I am just typing this out on my phone lol!
I am overly disappointed with the lack of agressiveness and fierceness this drama has had so far... only one to…
They are limiting the realism and aggressiveness to make the spies redeemable. If one of the spies had killed someone, the audience may have considered that person irredeemable.
Even beating up the Old Man's son could not be done without reason. They had to show that the son gave Gyeok Chan just cause.
Kang Moo at this point pose very little threat, and thus he is not taken seriously by anyone.
Is youngro’s dad running for a position? I didnt get it when kangmoo said that it’s 9 days for her dad to…
He is not. He is doing all this so their parties candidate will win.
And since he helped all of this, hopefully in 5 years time, the candidate will remember his role in helping him win and nominate him for president in 1992
isn't youngro a scholar of the school? thus her father don't have anything on it despite his position
Yes, but how did she get in? It's not explained.
The feeling I get from the father is that he is that typical Asian father who loves his children, but doesn't show it. Preferring to do good deeds in the background.
Young Ro's brother was a protestor, but as the step mom said, the dad pulled strings to get him enlisted instead of jailed.
He could have done something similar to get Young Ro into such a prestigious university.
Whether or not soo ho becomes an anti hero. The romance between the two leads seemed a bit hard to swallow.We…
Not sure. Kind of feel the story is kind of rudderless and just floating to it's end.
The first few episodes IMO serve no purpose in world building. The writer just tried to circumvent expectations, and forced comedy, that I am getting tired of the whole thing.
The unintended comedy has already worn me thin, since the writer refuses to bring in fresh joke writers, and rather just reuse and reuse the same things over and over again.
I feel a bit of a fool, hoping that somehow the writing will improve, or the writer has some insane plot twist that I will shock me. Or maybe some excellent explanation on how the romance will progress. But I lose more and more hope as each episode progresses.
I can name quite a few Kdrama that does an excellent job of mashing together, genres. I don't think Snowdrop has succeeded in it. As the shifts are still too jarring at this point.
I find, even when I knew it was black comedy from the beginning, my expectations have not been reached. Even if I were to think of it as political thriller, it's lacking both the politics and thrill. And as a romance, well that doesn't exist.
I wish, I could be like everyone else who are already proclaiming this the best Kdrama ever, and a masterpiece of epic proportion. I really really want to be part of the mass opinion, and it irks me that I can't seem to get there.
As some have already pointed out, snowdrop's plot could have been better served in Movie Format. There is just very little character growth each episode. Slapping Soo Ho just doesn't satisfy my need for character development.
Boon-ok may have a tough backstory but the way you wrote this thinkpiece dismissing Young-ro's tragedies, painting…
What does what I write, or how I perceive characters have to do with who I am as a person? Can we keep opinions about other commenters off the comment page? Do you see me attacking the people who defend Young Ro? Why do you feel the need to add me to the discussion I am curious. Does "attempting" to shame me make your argument stronger?
So if a millionaire's daughter suddenly "Slums it" by living with somebody else, does that make that daughter suddenly the same as someone who grew up with nothing?
Case in point, look at Mindy in Emily in Paris, and you will see what I mean.
What you saw as a childish victim act, I saw as an impassioned plea towards social injustice, and wealth imbalance.
Anyway, I can feel you want to make this a personal thing. So I will let you. Because it's as you say "Spicy".
I'll not oppose you because it is totally your choice and we should respect each other's point of view! But here…
It is not shown that the stepmom killed the mom. Hosu Dorm, previously coined Ehwa Dormitory in the script, is one of the most exclusive All women university in South Korea. It is being run strictly by Ms. Pi, but that doesn't mean the university isn't an elite one. Seoul Hee's identity gives us perspective of this. From a networking standpoint, Young Ro's classmates are mostly going to end up in successful businesses. Her room alone has two wealthy students. She is in a position to succeed, she can enjoy taking a literature course. She can freely read Romeo and Juliet if she so desire. She can go on dates even.
Boon Ok? No, dare she even try to show she is more than a human doormat, the denizens of the Dorm make sure she knows her place. She does what she needs to do to keep her mental sanity intact. In one scene. with Hye Roung. Hye Roung went ballistic on her, and Boon Ok, in all her anger, was she even afforded some time to reflect to vent? No, the phone rings, and she answers professionally, because the poor are not afforded the same rights as the privileged.
I am not excusing Boon Ok's bad behavior, but I can understand her need to maintain a sense of self. I can at least understand that she wants to be able to act her age, enjoy things people her age enjoy. I can understand her need to want to exist, to belong even.
Boon Ok, because of her upbringing and tough life has no allies. She knows she can only trust on herself. So, yes she will use, manipulate, even cheat, and steal to win. Because she knows to fail is to die. To fail is to never rise.
Young Ro, is still full of noble idiocy and privileged that her mind is clouded by wanting to be a hero. She still sees the world in her little bubble. She isn't a denizen of the real world yet, but more so a willing perpetuator of Hosu Dorm.
P.S.
Noted. I just love Boon Ok too much and may have went overboard :)
Let me correct some things that are completely wrong you're saying about YR here1st of all saying that her father…
Young Ro grew up wealthy for half her life. Her parent's have never once depended on her for their survival. Young Ro had a loving brother, and a loving grandmother who doted on her.
Ehwa Dormitory I have been told is the original title of Snowdrop. Ehwa University is a VERY prestigious women's college. We get a sense of this as we see the dormmates of Young Ro. Let's not pretend Hosu Dorm is some run of the mill community college.
That's the point I am trying to make. Young Ro, hardship can be qualified as first world troubles. For her, she may feel she is experiencing the end of the world every day, but unless your Boon Ok, where your world can literally end every day if you don't earn enough, it's not a comparable experience.
The father is shown to be a kind man who cares deeply for his children. Right now, he is being pressured to do against his intonation by a scheming wife. But deep down, he cares for Young Ro. And in the succeeding episodes, with the father's redemption arc all set, I doubt he will do the wrong thing.
Now, during the hostage situation, everyone is brought to an even level. Everyone's biggest problem now is how to not die. So for the very first time Young Ro's problem and Boon Ok's align. And yet, even with this, Young Ro is shown to have heroic tendencies, she is afforded the ability to feel guilty for her actions. But look at Boon Ok on the other hand, she doesn't have that luxury, her parents depend on her, she is not afforded mistakes.
Look no further than the scenes in the dorm. How many times have Young Ro done things that would have gotten anyone else killed, but due to her name and status, she is literally untouchable. Boon Ok? The Old Man's son? the poorer people? they are merely lambs to the slaughter, and Boon Ok clearly knows this. She is trying her best to survive, hero be damn. Young Ro, on the other hand is finding for best way to have the most epic hero moment.
I am making a parallel here between Young Ro and Boon Ok. Where being the hero in itself is a privileged right.
Young Ro is another wealthy and spoiled bourgeois who has a misplaced hero complex. She not surprisingly wants something that her dad will disprove of. The more against the world and society is against her love for Soo Ho, the more she wants. She wants what is taboo. She is too busy playing hero to look at herself in the mirror, and realize she isn't a victim but rather a perpetuator.
Her father sends her to a privilege's all woman's college, surrounded by other privileged elites. And a few days of hardship, and she suddenly fancies herself a hero. She holds no value to her life, because she has no responsibilities.
Boon Ok, on the other hand is a lady who has had to grow up way too fast. She hasn't had the time to be a naive college girl, she has had to live through the harshness of life. In a time when her future is uncertain, when her next day could be her last. When no one will mourn her death. She will grasp at whatever kindness comes her way. She has no qualms of being a heroine, nor does she want to. What is glory to her, but just another useless moniker that will not help her see the light of the next day.
Her father sends her nowhere. Her family name brings her nothing. Many times, she probably wouldn't mind being the hero, but she can ill afford to, as a lifetime of hardship has taught her, glory means nothing. To her life is incredibly important, not because she values her life above all, but because she knows without her, the parents will perish, will have no filial benefactor. And so she trudges along. Accepts those barbs, the thistles, the animosity of the dorm. Her only ally are her quick wits, and fierce and rebellious spirit.
The argument I am making is that people who pretend to be superman, and enter each and every argument because they feel they have an obligation due to their privilege. Just like young ro uses her status to help release the other hostages. What seems like a selfless act, can easily be seen as an entitled one as well. Because frankly people, in entitled positions believe their lives, opinion, and actions are worth more than the masses or commoners.
Sending kids to ivy league schools really ensures them better futures. But entering these schools tend to be very difficult, sometimes requiring connections to even be considered. The reward tends to be better connections and better careers. The downside, if your not careful the superiority complex and hero complex start reading its ugly head.
That's the thing. Spoiled doesn't manifest in the same way all the time. We think of spoiled as people who brandish their wealth and status and that's not true. A lot of the older generation would call us millenials spoiled, and yet I work hard at my job and I don't spend much money, and yet because of all the doors I have been allowed to enter, I am spoiled. Does that make sense?
Because young ro doesn't fear reprimands, she constantly puts herself in danger and willingly absorbs blame. This is textbook hero complex.
Boon ok, suffers imo from inferiority complex. Which is exasperated by her low self esteem and harsh background.
Let me give you an example. In most protest it's mostly college kids that are doing there kudetas. But why? Where are the adults? It's because most of the adults can't afford to. Either families to feed or jobs they can't afford to lose. College students you would think are young and have so much to live for, yet they put their lives the most st risk. This is a similar parallel to boon ok and young ro.
Sorry, I can't respond better, I am just typing this out on my phone lol!
Interesting discussion ☺️
Politically of course, this makes zero sense. But this is the logic of the drama so far.
Even beating up the Old Man's son could not be done without reason. They had to show that the son gave Gyeok Chan just cause.
Kang Moo at this point pose very little threat, and thus he is not taken seriously by anyone.
Rich land owners swear by feng shui as the biggest defining reason for their luck.
And since he helped all of this, hopefully in 5 years time, the candidate will remember his role in helping him win and nominate him for president in 1992
Someone else is running for president. Young Ro's dad is running to be the president in another 5 years.
Even I was fooled into thinking there was going to be life outside the dorm.
I think the drama missed the opportunity to show what life was like in 1987.
The pop culture of Korea, the representation of women, and even the fashion.
Now all I can think of is that all the hostages must stink like crazy.
The feeling I get from the father is that he is that typical Asian father who loves his children, but doesn't show it. Preferring to do good deeds in the background.
Young Ro's brother was a protestor, but as the step mom said, the dad pulled strings to get him enlisted instead of jailed.
He could have done something similar to get Young Ro into such a prestigious university.
The first few episodes IMO serve no purpose in world building. The writer just tried to circumvent expectations, and forced comedy, that I am getting tired of the whole thing.
The unintended comedy has already worn me thin, since the writer refuses to bring in fresh joke writers, and rather just reuse and reuse the same things over and over again.
I feel a bit of a fool, hoping that somehow the writing will improve, or the writer has some insane plot twist that I will shock me. Or maybe some excellent explanation on how the romance will progress. But I lose more and more hope as each episode progresses.
I can name quite a few Kdrama that does an excellent job of mashing together, genres. I don't think Snowdrop has succeeded in it. As the shifts are still too jarring at this point.
I find, even when I knew it was black comedy from the beginning, my expectations have not been reached. Even if I were to think of it as political thriller, it's lacking both the politics and thrill. And as a romance, well that doesn't exist.
I wish, I could be like everyone else who are already proclaiming this the best Kdrama ever, and a masterpiece of epic proportion. I really really want to be part of the mass opinion, and it irks me that I can't seem to get there.
As some have already pointed out, snowdrop's plot could have been better served in Movie Format. There is just very little character growth each episode. Slapping Soo Ho just doesn't satisfy my need for character development.
They have used it several times already.
Or at the very least mostly positive.
We are literally hoping for their love based on some flirty looks in the first 3 episodes. Since then, there hasn't been much substance to hang unto.
So if a millionaire's daughter suddenly "Slums it" by living with somebody else, does that make that daughter suddenly the same as someone who grew up with nothing?
Case in point, look at Mindy in Emily in Paris, and you will see what I mean.
What you saw as a childish victim act, I saw as an impassioned plea towards social injustice, and wealth imbalance.
Anyway, I can feel you want to make this a personal thing. So I will let you. Because it's as you say "Spicy".
Boon Ok? No, dare she even try to show she is more than a human doormat, the denizens of the Dorm make sure she knows her place. She does what she needs to do to keep her mental sanity intact. In one scene. with Hye Roung. Hye Roung went ballistic on her, and Boon Ok, in all her anger, was she even afforded some time to reflect to vent? No, the phone rings, and she answers professionally, because the poor are not afforded the same rights as the privileged.
I am not excusing Boon Ok's bad behavior, but I can understand her need to maintain a sense of self. I can at least understand that she wants to be able to act her age, enjoy things people her age enjoy. I can understand her need to want to exist, to belong even.
Boon Ok, because of her upbringing and tough life has no allies. She knows she can only trust on herself. So, yes she will use, manipulate, even cheat, and steal to win. Because she knows to fail is to die. To fail is to never rise.
Young Ro, is still full of noble idiocy and privileged that her mind is clouded by wanting to be a hero. She still sees the world in her little bubble. She isn't a denizen of the real world yet, but more so a willing perpetuator of Hosu Dorm.
P.S.
Noted. I just love Boon Ok too much and may have went overboard :)
Ehwa Dormitory I have been told is the original title of Snowdrop. Ehwa University is a VERY prestigious women's college. We get a sense of this as we see the dormmates of Young Ro. Let's not pretend Hosu Dorm is some run of the mill community college.
That's the point I am trying to make. Young Ro, hardship can be qualified as first world troubles. For her, she may feel she is experiencing the end of the world every day, but unless your Boon Ok, where your world can literally end every day if you don't earn enough, it's not a comparable experience.
The father is shown to be a kind man who cares deeply for his children. Right now, he is being pressured to do against his intonation by a scheming wife. But deep down, he cares for Young Ro. And in the succeeding episodes, with the father's redemption arc all set, I doubt he will do the wrong thing.
Now, during the hostage situation, everyone is brought to an even level. Everyone's biggest problem now is how to not die. So for the very first time Young Ro's problem and Boon Ok's align. And yet, even with this, Young Ro is shown to have heroic tendencies, she is afforded the ability to feel guilty for her actions. But look at Boon Ok on the other hand, she doesn't have that luxury, her parents depend on her, she is not afforded mistakes.
Look no further than the scenes in the dorm. How many times have Young Ro done things that would have gotten anyone else killed, but due to her name and status, she is literally untouchable. Boon Ok? The Old Man's son? the poorer people? they are merely lambs to the slaughter, and Boon Ok clearly knows this. She is trying her best to survive, hero be damn. Young Ro, on the other hand is finding for best way to have the most epic hero moment.
I am making a parallel here between Young Ro and Boon Ok. Where being the hero in itself is a privileged right.
I need to lie down as well!
Her father sends her to a privilege's all woman's college, surrounded by other privileged elites. And a few days of hardship, and she suddenly fancies herself a hero. She holds no value to her life, because she has no responsibilities.
Boon Ok, on the other hand is a lady who has had to grow up way too fast. She hasn't had the time to be a naive college girl, she has had to live through the harshness of life. In a time when her future is uncertain, when her next day could be her last. When no one will mourn her death. She will grasp at whatever kindness comes her way. She has no qualms of being a heroine, nor does she want to. What is glory to her, but just another useless moniker that will not help her see the light of the next day.
Her father sends her nowhere. Her family name brings her nothing. Many times, she probably wouldn't mind being the hero, but she can ill afford to, as a lifetime of hardship has taught her, glory means nothing. To her life is incredibly important, not because she values her life above all, but because she knows without her, the parents will perish, will have no filial benefactor. And so she trudges along. Accepts those barbs, the thistles, the animosity of the dorm. Her only ally are her quick wits, and fierce and rebellious spirit.
Boon Ok is life...