I think it makes way more sense if international people will stop speaking on other's history as if they know…
I'm not even going to bother to understand it. The drama inserts the political part, but all I see is e-peen swinging, and smarmy cartoon villains. BUT the writers are insistent on it being part of the plot, so we see this HUGE disconnect.
Not going to lie, watching the protest in Ep. 2 really reminds me and makes me think of the protestors in Hong Kong right now. I wonder how much of what's happening in Snowdrop is happening in HK right now.
Especially the framing, the students being assaulted in colleges, the riot police attacking civilians. Interrogations. It's almost like Snowdrop is reminding us that we as human being never learn from the mistakes of other cultures.
So according to JTBC's todays statement, by the 5th episode we will get to know that NSA is the only one who is…
do you mean ANSP?
Then that becomes confusing... by doing that, it would mean the ANSP and the ruling party, actually want protestors to exist.
And this also correlates with what they actually want in terms of being able to blame the protestors for being NK sympathizers.
It's like saying, we are bringing in spies, so we can blame the protestors for being spies, since we have proof that NK spies are joining protestors. This fact alone is the crux of the controversy, not staying away from it, as JTBC has said.
Soo ho is already pretending to be a protestor, which is what ANSP wants. But seems like the students in Hong Dormitory believes that there is no such thing as spies, and it's just government excuse to arrest them.
You see my point? The plot contradicts itself and inserts itself in the middle of the controversy, not away from it.
It will be better if there are 2 saperate discussions here 1. Who want to talk just about drama 2. Who want to…
The block button is there and ready.
To be honest, the drama is too knee deep in history that it becomes difficult to separate.
Imagine watching The Crown. It's suppose to be fiction, but I bet you millions of people googled and wikepedia'd during it's run, because it was telling a story that seem to close to real life that people needed to know what is real and what is not.
So history at the very least will be brought up time and time again, as it should, because this is a loosely adapted historical drama with a slice of romance, and you cannot discuss it without discussing the political aspect.
This comment section can not sustain without introspective debate, as it becomes just another fan cafe then.
It seems like we're going around in circles. Yes, by now most of us know what the issues are and why some people…
There should be no censoring for either side.
If people want to talk about the history as if they are Koreans, that is there right.
If people want to defend the drama until the very end, that is their right.
If people want to convince other people to either watch it or not watch it, that is their right.
I draw the line, when people attach other posters, and call them names like fucktard, stupid, idiot, and etc...
MDL is not the platform where we will allow bullying of any type, and we will not tolerate name calling, regardless of how passionate people are about their views.
JTBC is going to release THREE episodes this week to resolve some of the misunderstandings. It’s kind of sad…
I personally prefer they release just all of it, then no more confusion.
As of now, the political angle is extremely confusing. The sentiment is muddled. I found myself agreeing with times with Bun Ok here, and that's a bad thing, as I know she's being painted as a traitor.
The drama leaves itself open to sympathy for the ANSP, because gang moo is being portrayed really well. His passion for justice is making people waver in their belief that ANSP is supposed to be bad.
To be fair, Snowdrop is not a bad drama. At the moment of two episodes, I would rate it an 8.2/10.
I felt the first episode was not a very strong one, with too many scenes that dragged on far too long, and certain scenes that were completely not needed to push the narrative. Coupled that with a confusing political storyline, it felt like jumping into one situation after another not knowing where the writing intended the viewer to go.
What save it though was the beautiful cinematography, production values, and eclectic and beautiful editing tones they used to set the mood. The dress and fashion they employ really immerses you in a simpler time, and triggers long buried nostalgia.
The acting is so-so. I am never a fan of overacting to push a particular character identity. I believe acting should just be enough for the characters identity to subtly remind you of who they are trying to portray, and not constantly sink themselves into cliched mannerism as a constant reminder. Soo ho, Gang Moo, Jang Hanna, the Headmistress, and Yoon in Na's character are all acting well.
The episode picks up in the second half where we see more developments and the two leads finally meet. But the absurdity of the meeting, the lack of identity of the female lead kept me at a loss of the purposes of the earlier scenes.
Hoping for a stronger second episode, I finally delved deep into it. What I found facing me was a comedic (I am sure unintentional) mash up of different genres in one episode. The propensity of this particular writer to use the same unfunny predicaments time and time again left me rolling my eyes more than a few times. Ok, great you use a particular plot device, we get it, but to use it two or three more times, just reminds me of those unfunny American sitcoms that milk the same jokes several times in a season, but in this case, it all occurred in the span of half an hour.
I can forgive Young Ro's naivette and simplicity, because she is blindly in love with this soldier, that she has let all her guard down. But what is the excuse of everyone else that is not a NK soldier. The incompetency of the ANSP makes me wonder are they bad at their jobs or are they all NK spies?
The political confusion that planted it's seeds in the first episode, grew fruit in the second episode and exploded in a web of confusion that would make the writer of TKEM, Kim Eun Sook, a proud mama hen.
I am sure things will become clearer as more episodes pass by, but as of now, I find the writing a little weak, and the music/OST a little bit annoying, not because the music is horrible, I quite enjoy the lively church vibe I get, but rather the horribly emotional timing it is trying to direct. As if the scenes in itself is not strong enough to guide our eyes and senses, we needed the timing of the jarring musical shifts to remind us that we are suppose to be fearful here, laugh there, and swoon over here. There was no nuances in the musical shift, which left me breathless as my mind was racing trying to make sense of what the writer is trying to do in episode two.
I hope the remaining episodes writing become smarter, tighter, and frankly better.
As of now, I rate this an 8.2/10. Not that bad, draggy in parts, ridiculous in others, but an enjoyable watch.
May be more enjoyable if you just skip all the political scenes, you won't get lost if you FF them.
No. They are not communist but they are secretly doing a deal with the North Korean government to create some…
The whole "Comrade" song caught me off guard. And at this time their government is suppose to be a militaristic one, so not so different from that of the communist DPRK.
And win an election? there is just a huge lack of context here. So to help me navigate this confusing plot, I read the actual wikepdia.
It turns out they want to get their own guy to win the elections, rather than have a true and free democratic election.
SPOILER ALERT. their guy wins regardless, which kind of defeats the purpose of the plot...
So are they picking and choosing which parts are historically accurate, and which ones are complete fiction?
ahh, that explains it. I was able to download off dramacool, so it's fine, but yeah if I can jsut watch on Disney+, even better, I will try a trial version of VPN.
is the SK government suppose to be communist here? I am a bit confused now. In fact the whole writing on the political part of the drama is just one giant confusing, contradictory, wild goose chase.
I think it makes way more sense if international people will stop speaking on other's history as if they know…
History in it's own is already horribly cloudy, and depends on from whose perspective it is being written.
Have you heard of the saying, "History is written by the Victors". It's a quote by Winston Churchill, and it basically says that history is not grounded by facts, but rather by the perspective of the people on the winning side.
So history, even from the POV of people who lived through it, can be distorted already depending on whose mouth the history is coming from.
For me, it does not good to silence the people who would like to talk about the history, because after all, this is a fictional historical drama, and the history actually plays a large part of the story. It's not a pure romance film, and thus history should be part of any active and healthy discussion of snowdrop.
As long as we all talk to each other in a respectful and peaceful manner, we can keep these comment sections clean and fruitful.
I don't even know what karma points are for or how to increase them, sorry.
I can think of only 3 possible reason its high.
1. I post a lot 2. I have quite a few people on my friends list 3. the drama reviews I write gets a lot of traction 4. I am a helpful and nice lady who engages in thoughtful debate.
Or maybe it's negative karma, and lots of people on MDL dislike me :)
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Especially the framing, the students being assaulted in colleges, the riot police attacking civilians. Interrogations. It's almost like Snowdrop is reminding us that we as human being never learn from the mistakes of other cultures.
IT DOES NOTHING FOR THE PLOT!
Snowdrop's plot can literally survive and flourish without any of this historical stuff. The only reason I can think to include it is propaganda.
Then that becomes confusing... by doing that, it would mean the ANSP and the ruling party, actually want protestors to exist.
And this also correlates with what they actually want in terms of being able to blame the protestors for being NK sympathizers.
It's like saying, we are bringing in spies, so we can blame the protestors for being spies, since we have proof that NK spies are joining protestors. This fact alone is the crux of the controversy, not staying away from it, as JTBC has said.
Soo ho is already pretending to be a protestor, which is what ANSP wants. But seems like the students in Hong Dormitory believes that there is no such thing as spies, and it's just government excuse to arrest them.
You see my point? The plot contradicts itself and inserts itself in the middle of the controversy, not away from it.
To be honest, the drama is too knee deep in history that it becomes difficult to separate.
Imagine watching The Crown. It's suppose to be fiction, but I bet you millions of people googled and wikepedia'd during it's run, because it was telling a story that seem to close to real life that people needed to know what is real and what is not.
So history at the very least will be brought up time and time again, as it should, because this is a loosely adapted historical drama with a slice of romance, and you cannot discuss it without discussing the political aspect.
This comment section can not sustain without introspective debate, as it becomes just another fan cafe then.
If people want to talk about the history as if they are Koreans, that is there right.
If people want to defend the drama until the very end, that is their right.
If people want to convince other people to either watch it or not watch it, that is their right.
I draw the line, when people attach other posters, and call them names like fucktard, stupid, idiot, and etc...
MDL is not the platform where we will allow bullying of any type, and we will not tolerate name calling, regardless of how passionate people are about their views.
As of now, the political angle is extremely confusing. The sentiment is muddled. I found myself agreeing with times with Bun Ok here, and that's a bad thing, as I know she's being painted as a traitor.
The drama leaves itself open to sympathy for the ANSP, because gang moo is being portrayed really well. His passion for justice is making people waver in their belief that ANSP is supposed to be bad.
JTBC: Lawyered!
I felt the first episode was not a very strong one, with too many scenes that dragged on far too long, and certain scenes that were completely not needed to push the narrative. Coupled that with a confusing political storyline, it felt like jumping into one situation after another not knowing where the writing intended the viewer to go.
What save it though was the beautiful cinematography, production values, and eclectic and beautiful editing tones they used to set the mood. The dress and fashion they employ really immerses you in a simpler time, and triggers long buried nostalgia.
The acting is so-so. I am never a fan of overacting to push a particular character identity. I believe acting should just be enough for the characters identity to subtly remind you of who they are trying to portray, and not constantly sink themselves into cliched mannerism as a constant reminder. Soo ho, Gang Moo, Jang Hanna, the Headmistress, and Yoon in Na's character are all acting well.
The episode picks up in the second half where we see more developments and the two leads finally meet. But the absurdity of the meeting, the lack of identity of the female lead kept me at a loss of the purposes of the earlier scenes.
Hoping for a stronger second episode, I finally delved deep into it. What I found facing me was a comedic (I am sure unintentional) mash up of different genres in one episode. The propensity of this particular writer to use the same unfunny predicaments time and time again left me rolling my eyes more than a few times. Ok, great you use a particular plot device, we get it, but to use it two or three more times, just reminds me of those unfunny American sitcoms that milk the same jokes several times in a season, but in this case, it all occurred in the span of half an hour.
I can forgive Young Ro's naivette and simplicity, because she is blindly in love with this soldier, that she has let all her guard down. But what is the excuse of everyone else that is not a NK soldier. The incompetency of the ANSP makes me wonder are they bad at their jobs or are they all NK spies?
The political confusion that planted it's seeds in the first episode, grew fruit in the second episode and exploded in a web of confusion that would make the writer of TKEM, Kim Eun Sook, a proud mama hen.
I am sure things will become clearer as more episodes pass by, but as of now, I find the writing a little weak, and the music/OST a little bit annoying, not because the music is horrible, I quite enjoy the lively church vibe I get, but rather the horribly emotional timing it is trying to direct. As if the scenes in itself is not strong enough to guide our eyes and senses, we needed the timing of the jarring musical shifts to remind us that we are suppose to be fearful here, laugh there, and swoon over here. There was no nuances in the musical shift, which left me breathless as my mind was racing trying to make sense of what the writer is trying to do in episode two.
I hope the remaining episodes writing become smarter, tighter, and frankly better.
As of now, I rate this an 8.2/10. Not that bad, draggy in parts, ridiculous in others, but an enjoyable watch.
May be more enjoyable if you just skip all the political scenes, you won't get lost if you FF them.
And win an election? there is just a huge lack of context here. So to help me navigate this confusing plot, I read the actual wikepdia.
It turns out they want to get their own guy to win the elections, rather than have a true and free democratic election.
SPOILER ALERT. their guy wins regardless, which kind of defeats the purpose of the plot...
So are they picking and choosing which parts are historically accurate, and which ones are complete fiction?
To be honest, the political part is so confusing and not at all important, I am so tempted to just fast forwards all of them.
"For the Watch!"
Just pretty lazy writing on the political arc.
Have you heard of the saying, "History is written by the Victors". It's a quote by Winston Churchill, and it basically says that history is not grounded by facts, but rather by the perspective of the people on the winning side.
So history, even from the POV of people who lived through it, can be distorted already depending on whose mouth the history is coming from.
For me, it does not good to silence the people who would like to talk about the history, because after all, this is a fictional historical drama, and the history actually plays a large part of the story. It's not a pure romance film, and thus history should be part of any active and healthy discussion of snowdrop.
As long as we all talk to each other in a respectful and peaceful manner, we can keep these comment sections clean and fruitful.
I don't even know what karma points are for or how to increase them, sorry.
I can think of only 3 possible reason its high.
1. I post a lot
2. I have quite a few people on my friends list
3. the drama reviews I write gets a lot of traction
4. I am a helpful and nice lady who engages in thoughtful debate.
Or maybe it's negative karma, and lots of people on MDL dislike me :)
I've got quite the Anti following as well.