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Replying to maralseg Jun 25, 2021
For the people who have read the webtoon, can you tell me if it has a happy ending? Do the mains end up together?
She ends up with the boy who deserves her. The one who's right for her. Somebody who makes her feel happy, content and secure. :D
'Main leads ending up together' is no longer my definition/ pre-requisite of a 'happy' ending.
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Replying to Chibi Jun 25, 2021
Ugh, I hate when guys like Jae-Won do THIS. Why put in so much effort just for a hookup, right? He's definitely…
You know what I want of the second lead? To show young women, via this story, that there is always going to be that one guy who'll come along, who'll love her for who she is, respect her needs and boundaries, who is miles better than the d-bag who's been treating her like every other girl on his 'f-buddy' list..... that there is no need to settle for less.

After the failed 'study abroad scholarship program' of the FL in Youth of May, I really want this one to work out for Na-Bi. Maybe go date some cute French guys while she's at it <3
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Replying to TaemonRebel Jun 25, 2021
I fully agree with your points but I find it intriguing when it's pointed out that this feels too 'REAL' for a…
You Drive Me Crazy was my J-A-M.!!! I have been in the FL's shoes as well, and oh god, that situation hurts SO bad. Wait, am I exposing myself here? xD
I agree, we need more realistic romance k-dramas like the ones you mentioned. The 'Chaebol falls for the poor damsel in distress' is honestly so stale and overdone.
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Replying to Chibi Jun 25, 2021
Title Nevertheless, Spoiler
Ugh, I hate when guys like Jae-Won do THIS. Why put in so much effort just for a hookup, right? He's definitely…
Very interesting, I like the perspective you have on this!!!! Ultimately, it IS about her growth and journey as person. She has to live a little, even if it means she gets heartbroken... she'll emerge a stronger woman from all this.

However, I DO think she has underlying issues. She has already been cheated on once before and *that* seemed to be her deal-breaker (and not the shitty way her ex had been treating her all along). She is the second choice for the study-abroad scholarship program. She is shown to be a low-key competitive (the cigarette-scene in the alleyway, and also her academics). The kind you'd think would be chill, but isn't, deep down. I think we already have some insight that she might not be cut out for Jae-Won and his lifestyle, being a girl on his list of many women. Am I projecting too much when saying she'll feel like she's once again being cheated on by Jae-Won, once he resumes sleeping around, in addition to sleeping with her? Even when they're not exclusive? Maybe yes....
I also think she has some dependency/ attachment problems as well. And like her friend says, she always 'goes for the douchebag'. The men who are constantly invading her private space, manipulating her and leading her by her nose to get what *they* want out of the 'relationship'.

But I agree, she needs to get Jae-Won out of her system, once and for all. I'm rooting for her to sleep with him and dump his sorry ass, and move on :3 I like how the show has these vibes that force you to analyze why characters do what they do. <3
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Replying to Enca Jun 25, 2021
What a womanizer...but this drama is more like real life
I was appalled at the NUMBER of women Jae-Won is implied to have on his hotline for hookups. :O
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Replying to Sky Girl Jun 25, 2021
Title Nevertheless, Spoiler
The ending could be very different from the webtoon. This is kdrama world after all and Netflix already gave us…
Ugh, I hate when guys like Jae-Won do THIS. Why put in so much effort just for a hookup, right? He's definitely chasing her, and having fun while at it. The longer Na-Bi holds out for, the harder he's going to chase her... and the bigger will be her heartbreak once she gives in and he gets over her, and moves on. Which brings me to the point: I don't know about toxic, but yes, he's a class A jerk who's playing games and loving it.
I would have felt sorrier for Na-Bi if she was getting hood-winked by him but she can see him, and his intentions very clearly. I like how she has a decent amount of perspective and clarity of what she might be getting into. However, she's delusional if she thinks her heart can again cope with being the 'second choice.'
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Replying to Lee C Jun 25, 2021
I am not disenhearted by the ratings thus far. When this drama finds its true audience the ratings will rise.…
Objectively 7.9 is not bad, but comparatively I guess it is. As a reflection of the 7.9, I'm surprised people don't like the story. I guess it hits too close to home. Like an uncomfortable truth. Very 'in your face', the plot as well as the cinematography. It's jarring to a certain extent, and some shots just make your skin crawl in a bad way. I like the artsy vibe of it and hope they continue.
The irony still stands that 90% of the people would relate to a story like this, but would rather watch something that doesn't even resemble 10% of their own life. That's okay... I mean whatever floats their boat xD
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Replying to TaemonRebel Jun 25, 2021
Title Nevertheless, Spoiler
I fully agree with your points but I find it intriguing when it's pointed out that this feels too 'REAL' for a…
Absolutely. The first reason I had for calling it 'too real for a k-drama' was the top 10 MDL list. With viewer counts >> 50k+ and some even crossing 100k+, you'd expect a random casual k-drama watcher to be familiar with, er... the more 'fairytale' kind of a k-drama instead of this. (yep, the top 10 lol). k-dramas advertised as those 'reflective of the modern dating culture' don't do so well on the charts. The rating drop for this and LSITC is a proof (although Lovestruck had other narrative and plot problems too).

And secondly. it's weird watching this for me personally, because I have been in Na Bi's shoes. Knowing better, yet making questionable decisions instead of staying away. Chasing them over rooftops, casually planning to run-in into them, pickup questionable habits like smoking, just to find some common ground with them..... Been there, done that. The embarrassment I feel for the girl is not even second-hand anymore. Hence, it's TOO 'real' xD
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On Nevertheless, Jun 24, 2021
Plot points we might have glossed over:
1. Jae-Won has been established as a f-boy. Even Na-Bi is shown to know it deep down. Since, the night didn't pan out the way he wanted (aka with Na-Bi in his bed), he ideally should have moved on to the next girl. Boys like him don't waste time on girls like Na-Bi (she is shy, has rejected his advances multiple times over the evening, JUST dumped her boyfriend, is the 'relationship' kind, etc.) Unless.... UNLESS, she has made him curious/ intrigued somehow. The show wants to convince us, it's the whole 'butterfly' connection. After the unfruitful evening, he has likely looked her up on soc-med (since she told him her name), found out she attends the same major at his uni, he enquires about her from seniors and wants to meet up over drinks with a bunch of friends (instead of directly approaching her for a hook-up). He has put in efforts (even if it is off-camera) and wanted to meet her once again in a neutral setting. He also has multiple side-flings, and we see him interact with a bunch of women he doesn't plan to hook-up with it (the waitress, the classmates, the girls wanting to watch his 'pet butterflies') and clearly, he treats Na-Bi differently from all these other women. His actions give me major mixed-signals, and this is only ep.1. Chill boys looking for casual hook-ups wouldn't put in half of Jae-Won's efforts. I really don't get him.

2. Speaking of mixed signals, there is our QUEEN- Na-Bi, a complete bunch of conflicted contradictions. I do think apart from the whole 'butterfly' connection, there are genuine things about her that fascinate Jae-Won as a person (& not as a f-boy). With his looks and him being so self-aware of the effect he has on women, she might have been the only one who has rejected him & that too multiple times. But she unintentionally also does this 'push and pull', where she seeks him out (with the earphones excuse, and on the rooftop), she shoo-s away female competition (the alley cigarette scene), can't bring herself to wash away the tattoo drawn by him, YET she rejects his physical-touches. While Jae-Won might have made the first (confusing) effort on his side to look her up in college, it is clearly her subsequent actions (of not being able to stay away), that also keep Jae-Won intrigued enough to continue pursuing her in hopes of a pay-out. (aside from being the type of women-- I'm assuming-- he doesn't normally go for). Again, why are you seeking him out, woman? Even though your heart (and brain tell you to stay away from him, that he's bad news)......?

For the mess that these two are apparently about to land in, in about 8/9 episodes from now, ep1 has convinced me it is their actions, and ACTIONS alone, that have set both of them up for some serious shit. Hookup is cool, if your heart can handle it. But it's always wise to stick to your own lane, if you don't wish to crash and burn. Jae-Won will flutter away like the butterfly he is, but Na-Bi will get burned so bad, if she can't dump his philandering *bottom* right away.

Thank you for attending my Ted-Talk. xD
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On Nevertheless, Jun 24, 2021
Boys like Jae-Won are the type you'd like to meet over the summer break, have fun with, say goodbye to, and move on. Sadly, he's pretty much going to be a fixture of Na-Bi's college-life, and that makes it even harder for her to give in to the temptation because she knows the repercussions, hence the constant push-and-pull. I don't completely blame her.
Secondly, I feel she understands Jae-Won better than she understands herself. She *knows* he's a total player, but she also constantly seeks him out. For what? Friendship? You don't make 'friends' with such boys. She is written to be somebody not completely jaded about love/ relationship/ shared-fate, hence deep-down, she hopes to snag Jae-Won, and pursue a relationship with him. Or else, there is no good reason to reject Jae-Won for a rebound. She knows she is in for a heartbreak because she will get too involved. And she should stay away from him, but can't.

As for Jae-Won, I don't really blame him (or an entire population of men and women living the 'hookup culture' as a lifestyle choice) for the heartbreak coming to Na-Bi. Just because the two are misfits for each other, doesn't make either of them toxic [her need for a committed relationship, and his need to avoid one]. And it's perfectly okay, only if the two of them can acknowledge it. But I think the conflict-point of the show IS that either or both of them cannot accept it. -_-

As viewers, we have such a clear perspective of the quagmire they both are in, and yet the MC's know no better. Ugh, this feels too awfully REAL for a k-drama. Also, mildly amused they decided to make Jae-Won the 'creepy' kind of a player instead of a 'smooth-talking, swoony' kind. :3
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Replying to FoxyLittleThings Jun 24, 2021
The lead actress literally reminds me of Japanese actress minami hamabe..
Yay, somebody else said it... !!!!The close-up shots of just her eyes is a ditto match. I also feel both these girls resemble Song Hye Kyo, but the younger girls have a far pointier chin which is similar to each other than the older actress :)
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uhsame Jun 21, 2021
Zhao Liying, aka Zanilia Zhao is literally the QUEEN of 'legend' dramas xD
-Legend of Lu Zhen
-Legend of Hua Qian Gu (aka Journey of Flower)
-Legend of Zu
-Legend of Chu Xiao (aka Princess Agents)
-Legend of Chusen (Noble of Aspirations)
-Legend of Fei

Lmao xD
'Legend of...' dramas usually are 'big female lead' dramas, and most of the days, the female protagonist is such a Mary Sue. Even the 'anti' Mary-Sue's end up becoming Mary-Sues. Ugh.
I loved these dramas once upon a time, now it's just stale. The grand visuals and sets are a treat though. :)
Ps. Ruyi's Royal Love in Palace is also named 'Ruyi Zhuan' aka 'Legend of Ruyi'
*eyeroll*
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Replying to ashkan Jun 20, 2021
Title Youth of May
The death was unnecessary story-wise. They didn't have anything to do with the uprising and the dad was lost after…
Glad you see it that way, because I'm pretty sure that was the point of the show. I agree with you on one thing though--- they could have gone about the ending in a more organic way, instead of trying to shoe-horn it in. It felt contrived, and silly to the point of disbelief, almost as if the protagonist plot-armor timed out.
Other than that, it was quite meaningful, and I still stand my ground, that no other character's death would have been as impactful.
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Replying to ashkan Jun 20, 2021
Title Youth of May Spoiler
The death was unnecessary story-wise. They didn't have anything to do with the uprising and the dad was lost after…
Wow, you really didn't get the story, did you?
First, MH is the ONLY character whose death was necessary to drill-in the fact that a political uprising caused the death of MANY such uninvolved, and perfectly nice human beings (like MH herself) *just* for the sake of some power-hungry politicians and army people Countless lives were lost that May, and MH's death represents them all, artistically. Nobody else's death would have an equal impact. MH was the MVP, and her death would hurt the most. Hence, she had to die, from an objective narrative POV.

Secondly, her death has EVERYTHING to do with the uprising. It's like saying Jack Dawson didn't have anything to do with the iceberg that hit Titanic. -_-
The uprising caused the army to go livid on their OWN people. MH was a casualty to that terror, dying a nameless death- just *one more life lost*, but the government didn't care. That they killed off even a NURSE. MH would have likely lived a peaceful life, had she not been caught up in it all. The fact that she was a healthcare worker, and not a protester, is more heartbreaking.

Thirdly, yes, among the four MAIN leads, only MH dies. But off-camera, there is a significantly high death-toll. The hippie-friend, the nice police-officer, the child on the missing-poster, the grandpa Soo-chan protested for, and so many more. So of-course, like in the times of any disaster, natural or human-created.... there are a lot of casualties. It still counts, even if they haven't introduced us personally to every one of those 8,000 people that died that summer.

>>> I rest my case.
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Replying to Cocktail Jun 17, 2021
Title Youth of May
Yup that "look back" scene. Writer Lee Kang even selected it as one of his favourite scenes because he was so…
The sheer-quality of the script probably made the leads fall in love with their characters T_T
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Replying to dust in the wind Jun 16, 2021
Title Youth of May
I started to wonder about the full version of the script."comparative post of youth of may’s script and lee…
This is why I think Do-Hyun has great potential (and so does Min-Si)... great improv skills. And the 'i will cooooooooo~~ntinue to like you Myung-Hee Ssi'.... oof, that was sooo good <3
Also, everytime DoHyun sheds a tear, it breaks me. His outright 'clutching his heart while sobbing out loud' when Myung Hee doesn't look back, that moment completely destroyed me. He's SOOOOO good with his emotional, ugly-crying scenes <3
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On Lee Do Hyun Jun 14, 2021
Person Lee Do Hyun
DoHyun is such a funny guy IRL, plus his comic-timing is mind-blowing.!!! You wouldn't guess because all his script-choices just make you ugly-cry. Gosh. T_T
Sir.. why? Please pick a funny, light-hearted drama next. I don't think I can bear to see you in pain anymore, even if it is for a camera :/
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Replying to Chibi Jun 14, 2021
Title Snowdrop
Political turmoil can't NOT end in a tragedy. The fact that I felt LDH and JHI gave off very similar vibes from…
I'm not okay seeing Jisoo in vintage skirt-suits next to a university building T_T
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