Ok, first thing first, I'll be honest: I managed to keep watching only because of Heng and his Saen, who was my favorite character - I might be biased obviously because that was one of the main reasons why I put this drama in my watchlist to begin with (the other two being: BillyBabe, and the historical setting).
BillyBabe are great actors, but even their great visuals, and chemistry, and performance couldn't put enough energy and fuel to this story. Mind me, the story perse was very interesting BUT it was so chaotic in terms of narrative and time jumps (graphically the time jumps were very well made, but most of the time they were useless and often they were repeating the same scenes more than once). I usually LOVE slow dramas, but this wasn't slow... it was stuck. It was interminable, really. Most scenes were aesthethically very pleasing (lights, colors, costumes...), just like watching a painting, and I really liked that: it was basically like watching a painted novel, and slowly turning page after page... but in the end, it just didn't click for me.
Pity, because I can see all the effort everyone put into this work.
Sidenote: I kinda didn't get RuedeeSinSaen dynamics. At the beginning I thought Sin was probably Ruedee and Saen's son born while he was still alive and grown up during the years, while obviously Saen's spirit couldn't age nor reincarnate because he was stuck with Khun Yai in the white house... but then we see that he never actually had a wife and he followed Khun Yai when he died, so...? When was Sin born? And was that really Ruedee? That was one very fast way to gloss over the disappearance of one of the main characters...
Oh well, anyway: I'm actually happy that Billy&Babe tried this kind of project too, I really hope they can try and take on different styles of series so we can appreciate their acting and partnership again and again!
Ep12 was the first one that kinda irritated me, because EVERYTHING in the action/police part made no sense - from Singha jumping and running after getting his leg perforated, to Darin going alone to the bathroom, to King waiting for the wrongest moment to try and use his watch "findme"... and so on, so on.
BUT
the confession part was so cute! <3 Pavel is just so mesmerizing!
AOUBOOM! I totally forgot about them here, but it was such a pleasent surprise!
Positive note, although the "investigation" part is less "investigational" episode after episode, the overall series mood is getting better and better! I love JoongDunk dynamics, sarawat Kamin showing concern for Jade was shown in a pretty natural and smooth way (and the final goal of letting us see Joong's abs was very much appreciated) and so is their growing interest for each other. I'm also positive about the lenght: if they play it well, 10 eps is just about right for this story, so let's hope they keep it moving so we don't rush things all in the last ep!
The Korean guy was HILARIOUS. In an unserious way, similar to the way Koreans would make fun of a character in…
I totally agree! I'm Italian, and it kinda felt like when I see some kind of mafia boss characters hilariously speaking some totally wrong italian saying things no italian would ever really say or do. XD
I loved how episode 8 was putting everyone naked in front of their inner selves, expecially Koh and Jira - also the fact that basically everything happened in the former clothing factory of Koh's family to me almost felt like an "undressing" moment, using dress-metaphores and smoothly "peeling" Koh and Jira's inner emotional layers just like you put yourself bare in front of persons you care for.
OffGun have such a beautiful "mature" dynamic, you can really see the years of working together and their mutual understanding. On the other hand, Dew through the years has proven that he has chemistry with each and every actor he acts with - this man can make me believe he's in love with a woodlog, it's incredible.
I also loved the kiss under the rain, although it felt a bit "cold" (also in terms of color-coding)... but don't mind me on this, I think no kiss scene will ever beat the one from Not Me ep8 ending... that will forever and ever be my all time favourite kiss scene in a thai drama. <3
Quick question - do the actors here voice themselves? Because XZG voice to me seems heard already, but watching the cast I see he has different voice actors in different projects so I wonder who's actually voicing him here. XD
If it's any consolation, he broke the cycle of rebirth for himself and was reincarnated as a white fox. And the…
Thank you! What's the King of Insects? o.o
Most dramas "need" to edulcorate the endings to become likable to the majority of viewers... and sometimes I'm happy they do so... especially after so much suffering!
I think in the end TLC, aside from obtaining fulfillment by gifting happiness to all his friends, also obtained freedom because he "escaped" his destiny by letting go of the past and its chains, and by creating his way of life and his own choices, which for me also means he was serene in the end.
Question about the ending scene, but not on TLC (I thought it was pretty obvious the fact that the white fox we see is him, or rather, a new/reincarnated/another version of him) rather a detail on Xue Xian Zi (Bai Shu's character): aside from being a great martial artist, is he some kind of godlike-immortal martial hermit, given the fact that he's completely dressed in frozen white and commands ice, and is close with the 500yo divine healer? I think I lost his "presentation" through the episodes.
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Thank you for these amazing, rich and deep comments: I consider myself atheist but have always been fascinated by taoism, shintoism and buddhism, so I grasped most of the meanings you touched - but your reviews directly connecting the dots helped me mentally complete the huge mosaic that this drama actually is!
i swear i have no problem with sad endings, but i found this one so tragic 😭 it made me so sad that everyone…
Scrolling the comments I see that's another problem for the rating of this drama... but somehow, when the series started and slowly step by step we got to know him and his reasons... for me, that was the only possible ending. Just like a religious parable in which a savior saves everyone giving himself as a sacrifice, but he does so willingly and happily because the joy of everyone is more important than the joy of just one...
I don't know, but to me it felt like the only possible ending - although tragic.
I think every product somehow has a "category" to which it belongs and to which it must compare - I rated…
What you say completely makes sense actually, I understand - and you named two of my favorite shows ever btw, Not Me and ITSAY are among my "best ten" series (...and I've been watching dramas since 2001...). If I had to compare them with M&T I honestly couldn't because they are so different in terms of emotions, themes, intensity... and even difficulty: M&T is a series for everyone, while those two need a bit more "focus" let's say.
Anyway, I usually don't care for ratings here anymore... like I just finished a 8.1 wuxia which would probably deserve 100 as a rating in terms of depth. XD
I think every product somehow has a "category" to which it belongs and to which it must compare - I rated this a 10 but if I had to choose between this one and other 10s in my watchlist as "the best one ever" I would probably choose another one (maybe a queer series, or a wuxia, or something more deep).... BUT this one is still a 10 for me because, as a BL romcom, it perfectly checked all the things one expects as for that kind of product and was way above most other similar shows, quality wise.
This series was genius from start to finish: thee ending cameos were the best thing I've seen in my dramalife, totally on point and in the mood!
If I could rate this 11/10 I would because, although the plot wasn't revolutionary, for me everything was just perfect: every episode was funny, intelligent, deep, heartwarming, filled with positivity and a sense of acceptance that made me want to watch more and more. (although I would have love a bit more attention to Tawan's ruckus)
PondPhuwin were perfect for their roles, and so were PerthSanta and Est and Bonnie, but no doubt that Pond was the greatest star here: he brought Thee to life in such a wild and detailed way, I will forever laugh just by only thinking about him! During the wedding proposal I didn't know if to laugh or to cry because I was moved and jolly at the same time.
Now, hear me out: wouldn't it be great to have a OUR SKYY 3 in which PondPhuwin star together with two juniors who perform as them in their BL series produced by GMMtheeV? (and maybe we can get MokRome wedding too!)
Worth to keep watching? The first 3 episodes seem interesting to me, I paused as I was on other dramas. Wonder…
I was hesitant to watch it because of the rating too, but it was an amazing journey.
I think the low rating is mostly because there is no romance and because the themes are pretty intense and deep, touching many intimate themes such as forgiveness, sacrifice, prejudice, obsession, trust and distrust...
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BillyBabe are great actors, but even their great visuals, and chemistry, and performance couldn't put enough energy and fuel to this story. Mind me, the story perse was very interesting BUT it was so chaotic in terms of narrative and time jumps (graphically the time jumps were very well made, but most of the time they were useless and often they were repeating the same scenes more than once). I usually LOVE slow dramas, but this wasn't slow... it was stuck. It was interminable, really. Most scenes were aesthethically very pleasing (lights, colors, costumes...), just like watching a painting, and I really liked that: it was basically like watching a painted novel, and slowly turning page after page... but in the end, it just didn't click for me.
Pity, because I can see all the effort everyone put into this work.
Sidenote: I kinda didn't get RuedeeSinSaen dynamics. At the beginning I thought Sin was probably Ruedee and Saen's son born while he was still alive and grown up during the years, while obviously Saen's spirit couldn't age nor reincarnate because he was stuck with Khun Yai in the white house... but then we see that he never actually had a wife and he followed Khun Yai when he died, so...? When was Sin born? And was that really Ruedee? That was one very fast way to gloss over the disappearance of one of the main characters...
Oh well, anyway: I'm actually happy that Billy&Babe tried this kind of project too, I really hope they can try and take on different styles of series so we can appreciate their acting and partnership again and again!
BUT
the confession part was so cute! <3
Pavel is just so mesmerizing!
Positive note, although the "investigation" part is less "investigational" episode after episode, the overall series mood is getting better and better! I love JoongDunk dynamics, sarawat Kamin showing concern for Jade was shown in a pretty natural and smooth way (and the final goal of letting us see Joong's abs was very much appreciated) and so is their growing interest for each other. I'm also positive about the lenght: if they play it well, 10 eps is just about right for this story, so let's hope they keep it moving so we don't rush things all in the last ep!
OffGun have such a beautiful "mature" dynamic, you can really see the years of working together and their mutual understanding.
On the other hand, Dew through the years has proven that he has chemistry with each and every actor he acts with - this man can make me believe he's in love with a woodlog, it's incredible.
I also loved the kiss under the rain, although it felt a bit "cold" (also in terms of color-coding)... but don't mind me on this, I think no kiss scene will ever beat the one from Not Me ep8 ending... that will forever and ever be my all time favourite kiss scene in a thai drama. <3
Most dramas "need" to edulcorate the endings to become likable to the majority of viewers... and sometimes I'm happy they do so... especially after so much suffering!
I think in the end TLC, aside from obtaining fulfillment by gifting happiness to all his friends, also obtained freedom because he "escaped" his destiny by letting go of the past and its chains, and by creating his way of life and his own choices, which for me also means he was serene in the end.
Question about the ending scene, but not on TLC (I thought it was pretty obvious the fact that the white fox we see is him, or rather, a new/reincarnated/another version of him) rather a detail on Xue Xian Zi (Bai Shu's character): aside from being a great martial artist, is he some kind of godlike-immortal martial hermit, given the fact that he's completely dressed in frozen white and commands ice, and is close with the 500yo divine healer? I think I lost his "presentation" through the episodes.
I don't know, but to me it felt like the only possible ending - although tragic.
If I had to compare them with M&T I honestly couldn't because they are so different in terms of emotions, themes, intensity... and even difficulty: M&T is a series for everyone, while those two need a bit more "focus" let's say.
Anyway, I usually don't care for ratings here anymore... like I just finished a 8.1 wuxia which would probably deserve 100 as a rating in terms of depth. XD
If I could rate this 11/10 I would because, although the plot wasn't revolutionary, for me everything was just perfect: every episode was funny, intelligent, deep, heartwarming, filled with positivity and a sense of acceptance that made me want to watch more and more.
(although I would have love a bit more attention to Tawan's ruckus)
PondPhuwin were perfect for their roles, and so were PerthSanta and Est and Bonnie, but no doubt that Pond was the greatest star here: he brought Thee to life in such a wild and detailed way, I will forever laugh just by only thinking about him! During the wedding proposal I didn't know if to laugh or to cry because I was moved and jolly at the same time.
Now, hear me out: wouldn't it be great to have a OUR SKYY 3 in which PondPhuwin star together with two juniors who perform as them in their BL series produced by GMMtheeV?
(and maybe we can get MokRome wedding too!)
I think the low rating is mostly because there is no romance and because the themes are pretty intense and deep, touching many intimate themes such as forgiveness, sacrifice, prejudice, obsession, trust and distrust...